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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:32 PM May 2015

The Duggar Molestation-Hobby Lobby Connecton

So many Duggar threads, I'm sorry if someone's already posted this, but I discovered it in a forum linked to on Gawker. Here's the story:

osh's counseling location was the Little Rock Training Center. He was "counseled" by the ministry of Molestor Bill Gothard in a building Hobby Lobby donated to the ministry of Molestor Bill Gothard

This is the "Old VA Hospital" referred to in the police report.

The training center was donated by Hobby Lobby to IBLP. Josh's work there would have been renovations. We know from Recovering Grace that IBLP workers often did renovations as part of their work for the ministry (the Nashville hospital is one mentioned frequently.)

"In 2000, Hobby Lobby donated a 529,717-square-foot building in Little Rock, Arkansas, to Gothard's outfit. The company had purchased this property, a former Veterans Affairs building, two years earlier for $299,000. The Institute now runs a prison ministry out of this location, providing curriculum to a faith-based Arkansas Department of Corrections program known as Principles and Applications for Life. For about a decade, according to Gothard, the Institute leased the ground floor of the building for $1 per year to the Little Rock Police Department for use as its downtown station. Now, Gothard says, the police are paying a regular rental fee." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/hobby-lobby-bill-gothard-institute-basic-life-principles

Gothard touts former governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee's name on materials promoting his "Character Cities" initiative. The two were photographed together at a private campaign luncheon in Houston in late 2007.

For years, Gothard cultivated close ties to Huckabee, an alumnus of Gothard's "Basic Seminar", and to Jim Dailey, mayor of Little Rock. With encouragement from Mayor Dailey, Gothard opened his Little Rock Training Center in an empty VA hospital purchased by Hobby Lobby and donated to Gothard's Institute.

Despite Gothard's grandiose vision, the enormous structure WAS IN POOR REPAIR and was never utilized as fully as the Indianapolis facility. Still, it served as a base for the Institute's prison ministry. Gothard quotes Governor Huckabee's support for conducting his seminars for Arkansas inmates: "I am confident that these are some of the best programs available for instilling character into the lives of people." Having gotten his foot in the door in Arkansas, Gothard combined forces with CCA, the nation's largest operator of privatized correctional institutions, to promote his intense lecture-based seminars inside more prisons." http://heresyintheheartland.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-political-reach-of-gothard.html


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The Duggar Molestation-Hobby Lobby Connecton (Original Post) tishaLA May 2015 OP
for -profit prisons that dems love generate profits for prison "ministries". see how that works? msongs May 2015 #1
For profit prisons that Dems love? Sanity Claws May 2015 #2
Mass incarcerations is not solely a republican thing. bravenak May 2015 #3
But "privatization" of prisons is definitely a repig thing. xfundy May 2015 #4
Yes! bravenak May 2015 #5
Provide a cite to support your statement Sanity Claws May 2015 #6
Which statement? bravenak May 2015 #7
No Sanity Claws May 2015 #9
No I never did say 'Dems love private prisons'. bravenak May 2015 #10
Mssong said it Sanity Claws May 2015 #14
Here is where he admits to mass incarcerations putting too many in prison. bravenak May 2015 #8
That does not show that Dems love private Sanity Claws May 2015 #12
Okay. bravenak May 2015 #15
^^^this^^^ malokvale77 May 2015 #16
Making me sick too. bravenak May 2015 #18
Pretend is a childs game. malokvale77 May 2015 #19
I'm doing pretty well these days. bravenak May 2015 #20
Long story short... malokvale77 May 2015 #23
Ahhh, I know how you feel. bravenak May 2015 #24
Here's a link with a photo of the empty VA hospital... Blanks May 2015 #11
Holy shit. How connected is all of this? Initech May 2015 #13
My guess... malokvale77 May 2015 #17
Got to be connected Aerows May 2015 #22
When you moved back the rug Aerows May 2015 #21

msongs

(67,413 posts)
1. for -profit prisons that dems love generate profits for prison "ministries". see how that works?
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:41 PM
May 2015

hucksters all fleecing anybody that moves and has at least one cent's worth of assets

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
3. Mass incarcerations is not solely a republican thing.
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:02 PM
May 2015

It kinda stems from the Clinton years, really hard to deny it when Bill admitted it recently.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
6. Provide a cite to support your statement
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:32 PM
May 2015

And how does one make the leap that Dems love from the unsupported statement you made?

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
9. No
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:38 PM
May 2015

You have deliberately misunderstood. You originally said Dems love private prisons. When I asked you what you were talking about, you said that an alleged admission by Clinton supported that.
Your attempt to evade questions regarding support for your statements indicates to me that there is none.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. No I never did say 'Dems love private prisons'.
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:41 PM
May 2015

Go back and look. I said mass incarcarations is not solely a republican thing. You must have me mistaken for another poster.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
14. Mssong said it
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:46 PM
May 2015

The person posted the first response and my message replied to that.
I agree that you did not say it

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
12. That does not show that Dems love private
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:43 PM
May 2015

Prisons.
That is what the person posted and to which I responded.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
15. Okay.
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:46 PM
May 2015

Without mass incarcerations we could not have such a big for profit prison industry. And some dems certainly do take money from for profit prisons. We are not innocent. They love the money enough to accept it and continue with crime bills that cause mass incarcerations.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
20. I'm doing pretty well these days.
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:16 PM
May 2015

Made it over my hump and just getting ready to start back school in the fall. Trying to bbq this summer a whole lot and doing my first term on mirt, pretty fun. How have you been? Haven't seen you around much.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
23. Long story short...
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:34 PM
May 2015

Too many on DU asking for a pledge to vote against my values.

I have never had an avatar, but I put up the Bernie just to piss them off.

I read DU everyday even when I don't log on and reply.

There is one in particular (really nasty POS to long time members) I wish MIRT would send a pizza to.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
24. Ahhh, I know how you feel.
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:38 PM
May 2015

I have not mad my decision on a candidate, but I know it will be the leftist candidate I can find. Pm me the name of that poster, so I can keep watch.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
11. Here's a link with a photo of the empty VA hospital...
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:42 PM
May 2015

I suppose it's not really part of the scandal here, but here's this huge, interesting building with nothing but a police station on the first floor.

http://www.arkansasties.com/Pulaski/Structures4/VAHospital/VAHospital.htm

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. Got to be connected
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:26 PM
May 2015

with the fundy tendrils that are all over the place. FRC, Hobby Lobby, Huckabee, everyone defending these pedophiles should be put under a microscope because they most likely have enough skeletons in their closets that bones will start flying out of their mouths.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
21. When you moved back the rug
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:23 PM
May 2015

see a little dust, then move it back further, that's when the real dirt is hiding.

This is DEEP DEEP depravity about to pop out here. It's not the "liberal media" that is going to be their undoing, it's their heinous disregard for children, women and everyone that isn't as sick as they are.

I imagine this is going to go a hell of a lot deeper than even Hobby Lobby, but that's a good place to start to find misogynistic assholes. Where you find men that don't value women, you find men that don't value children, their own or otherwise, either.

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