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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:31 AM Jun 2015

US State Department Confirms They Sponsored Training of ISIL Militant

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/30475-us-state-department-confirms-they-sponsored-training-of-isil-militant

Officials told CNN on Saturday that Colonel Gulmurod Khalimov, a former head of Tajikistan's special forces, took part in counterterrorism courses as part of a program sponsored by the State Department.

Blackwater Worldwide, which is now known as Academi and is based in McLean, Virginia, is the most notorious private security firm that had operated in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In his online video, Khalimov appears in black ISIL clothing with a sniper rifle and a bandolier of ammunition, claiming that he attended programs on American soil three times.

State Department spokeswoman Pooja Jhunjhunwala confirmed his claims.

"From 2003-2014 Colonel Khalimov participated in five counterterrorism training courses in the United States and in Tajikistan, through the Department of State's Diplomatic Security/Anti-Terrorism Assistance program," said Jhunjhunwala.

The militant was trained in crisis response, tactical management of special events, tactical leadership training and other related issues, according to a State Department official.

Khalimov says in the video that what he witnessed during his training in the US turned him against Washington.
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US State Department Confirms They Sponsored Training of ISIL Militant (Original Post) eridani Jun 2015 OP
Things don't look good for him. delrem Jun 2015 #1
Your excerpt mentions Blackwater, but leaves out the connection... JHB Jun 2015 #2
So were several of the 9/11 hijackers. We have learned nothing, and the consequences will be severe leveymg Jun 2015 #3
The origins of ISIS and their purpose according to Gen Wesly Clark. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #4
Direct link to a cnn report about this. They must have changed it. There's no mention of Cerridwen Jun 2015 #5
It appears you are right. leveymg Jun 2015 #8
The article in the OP just threw in blackwater/xi/academi and I couldn't Cerridwen Jun 2015 #9
Exactly. Could be "poisoning of the well" to discredit the original CNN report. leveymg Jun 2015 #12
I agree. I think it's "pretty damning" of our ally Tajikistan... Cerridwen Jun 2015 #17
The CNN video on the page mentions Blackwater extensively. It's just not mentioned in the text. think Jun 2015 #10
Thanks. The video pointed out more inconsistencies and some additional info. Cerridwen Jun 2015 #13
See my reply #13 below. Cerridwen Jun 2015 #15
It's on the CNN video on the page you link to. The text on CNN's page doesn't mention it. think Jun 2015 #11
Sorry my reply (above) took so long. Cerridwen Jun 2015 #14
I didn't check the video at first either. Did a Google search and found another news site think Jun 2015 #16
If that toast is with coffee, you're on. :) Cerridwen Jun 2015 #18
Yes, coffee here as well :) think Jun 2015 #19
Truth will out malaise Jun 2015 #6
How many terrorist training camps does the US operate, I wonder. n/t FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #7
I do know that Contras were trained in the Everglades, without Congress MisterP Jun 2015 #23
Oy vey, the U.S. creates and trains all terrorists. nt valerief Jun 2015 #20
Just the ones that actually manage (or nearly) carry out mass casualty attacks inside the US. leveymg Jun 2015 #21
So...he is a militant and not a terrorist? Interesting...I thought ISIL was a terrorist organization Rex Jun 2015 #22
If your fighting Assad, the media will call you a militant or rebel. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #24

delrem

(9,688 posts)
1. Things don't look good for him.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:35 AM
Jun 2015

Who could trust such a man?

eta: did the US state dep't just put out a hit list target on this man's back?

JHB

(37,161 posts)
2. Your excerpt mentions Blackwater, but leaves out the connection...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:41 AM
Jun 2015
The US State Department has confirmed that an ISIL militant who calls for terrorist attacks against the United States in a new online video was trained on American soil by Blackwater.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. So were several of the 9/11 hijackers. We have learned nothing, and the consequences will be severe
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:00 AM
Jun 2015

Going back to the '93 WTC bombing, literally the only large scale terrorist attacks by Islamist terrorists that have "succeeded" on American soil have been those carried out by operatives the CIA and FBI knew to be inside the US preparing to attack targets here but allowed in, trained, and in some cases supplied with explosives.

Col. Khalimov and ISIL follow in a long line of terrorists we helped create. All that follows is merely acceptable collatoral damage. Even 9/11.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
5. Direct link to a cnn report about this. They must have changed it. There's no mention of
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:23 AM
Jun 2015

blackwater/xe/academi that I can see in this report.

Link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/politics/isis-man-trained-in-us/

Snippets:

<snip>

The program is intended to train candidates from participating countries in the latest counterterrorism tactics, so they can fight the very kind of militants that Khalimov has now joined.

A State Department official said Khalimov was trained in crisis response, tactical management of special events, tactical leadership training and related issues.

<snip>

Khalimov was an officer of the primary counterterrorism unit which responds to terrorist threats in Tajikistan, a State Department official said, so he and other members of his unit were recommended for the program by the Tajik government.

"All appropriate Leahy vetting was undertaken in advance of this training," said spokeswoman Jhunjhunwala.

<snip>

But Breen, who has also participated in training sessions overseas, said building counterterrorism partners requires a necessary leap of faith. "There's absolutely no way to beat an opponent like the Islamic State, without training a lot of people," he said. "That's a core of our strategy."


A bit more at link. Someone point out the blackwater connection. It must be in another cnn report or I managed to skim right past it.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. It appears you are right.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jun 2015

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Goes to show, some sources are less credible and have to be re-verified. Common sense should tell you that Blackwater/Xi/Academi is too "hot" to be used for this sort of thing, anyway, these days. Blackwater was always a gilded holding tank for those CTC spooks who had already been burned after 9/11 and Operation Jawbreaker in Afghanistan. Convenient to blame them for a whole range of things that were later carried out by and for the Agency by others.

Anyway, the genuine CNN report is valuable because it exposes ongoing US support for trannational Islamic terrorists that have blended into ISIS.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
9. The article in the OP just threw in blackwater/xi/academi and I couldn't
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

make the connection without a lot of mental twists and suspension of disbelief.

However, I've noticed "news" sites changing articles "on the fly" so it could be that. However, again, the author of the piece in the OP has a rather...questionable history of writing. The reporting of this also has some questionable sources, as your (and my) googling showed.



leveymg

(36,418 posts)
12. Exactly. Could be "poisoning of the well" to discredit the original CNN report.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jun 2015

Disinformation, not necessarily by the sources that appear directly on the Google trail.

The original, unabridged CNN version is pretty damning.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
17. I agree. I think it's "pretty damning" of our ally Tajikistan...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jun 2015

I think it's "pretty damning" of our ally Tajikistan that "an officer of the primary counterterrorism unit which responds to terrorist threats in Tajikistan,... so he and other members of his unit were recommended for the program by the Tajik government."

I also think it's "pretty damning" of the bush administration that their "vetting" didn't discover the problems with this guy; or perhaps this guy is just really good at lying. Of course, I've read articles about white supremacists enlisting in the US military to receive arms training; so I'm not so sure it's just counterterrorism training that has this issue, nor that it's just a "US" problem as the Tajik government has obviously experienced some of the same.

I also think it's "pretty damning" of cnn to report this as though this began now rather than focusing on the bush connections; and their change of the narrative via the article versus the video titles.

There's a lot of "pretty damning" to go around it would seem.


 

think

(11,641 posts)
10. The CNN video on the page mentions Blackwater extensively. It's just not mentioned in the text.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jun 2015

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
13. Thanks. The video pointed out more inconsistencies and some additional info.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:36 AM
Jun 2015

The scroller on the video has a different title than the article; something I always find interesting. " US Trained Counterterror Commander Defects to ISIS" versus "ISIS fighter was trained by US" as used for the article.

khalimov says (in video) he received training btwn 2003 and 2008. State Department says 5 times between 2003 and "last year."

khalimov says (in video) he trained at "military base of blackwater." academi is mentioned as the company that purchased the blackwater facility, i.e. "military base" and was "unable to confirm he was there."

blitzer notes that khalimov also received training from Russian "elite commandos" and that he speaks Russian which blitzer and other reporter say is "marketing tool" so that khalimov can recruit from "eastern asia."

It appears this "police commander" who works with one of the US's allies against terrorism has been lying to a lot of people or our "ally," Tajikistan is a little less than honest about their people. It also looks like he "got his start" during the bush years. Surprise that. /sarcasm Kinda funny cnn is trying to put this in the "here and now."

I can't believe I forgot to watch the video. I'm usually quite consistent about that. Thanks for the reminder.


Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
15. See my reply #13 below.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jun 2015

"Anyway, the genuine CNN report is valuable because it exposes ongoing US support for trannational Islamic terrorists that have blended into ISIS."

I would argue it shows that even with extensive vetting, terrorists are capable of infiltrating and receiving training from foreign, US and Russian, counterterrorism units. Especially during the bush years.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. It's on the CNN video on the page you link to. The text on CNN's page doesn't mention it.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jun 2015

but it's mentioned a few times in the video.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
16. I didn't check the video at first either. Did a Google search and found another news site
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jun 2015

using the same source for the reference and then I watched it.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
23. I do know that Contras were trained in the Everglades, without Congress
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jun 2015

or the INS knowing (think ISIS, but without the legitimacy)

ditto a lot of Central American torture technicians (though to be fair they were told to go for psychological pressure instead of anything that left marks--but their handlers did know they were just assassinating hundreds of prisoners afterwards, captured on a hunch or informer's whisper): they weren't even allowed to turn the TV in (evidently they were in KHOU's ambit)

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
21. Just the ones that actually manage (or nearly) carry out mass casualty attacks inside the US.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

As referenced above, that list of terrorists who were under CIA or FBI control or were treated as agents of a "friendly" intel agency includes:

* '93 WTC bombing (Ali Mohamed and other CIA/FBI double agents)
* 9/11 (Flt 77 hijackers, al-Hazmi and al-Midhar)
* 9/11 and subsequent Al-Qaeda linked attacks (Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki, who gave money to and housed the Flt. 77 hijackers in San Diego upon their arrival, accompanying them across the country as they made contact with other primary 9/11 hijackers; Awlaki was released from custody after 9/11, and made contact with other terrorists who later acted under his direction or influence, including):
* the Times Square Bomber, the Ft. Bragg shooter, and the Underwear Bomber, the Boston Bombers.

One can draw one's own conclusions about the why of this, but the facts are well-documented. If you don't believe me, part of this was explained to a joint House-Senate committee by Undersecretary of State Kennedy after the Underwear Bomber incident:

Here's that link - 02/10/10 testimony : Statement of Patrick F. Kennedy, Under Secretary of State ...
Statement of Patrick F. Kennedy, Under Secretary of State for Management - Before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Hearing on ...
http://travel.state.gov/...
http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/about/speeches-testimonies/statement-before-the-house-of-representatives-committee-on-the-j.html


News of that testimony got buried.

In addition to these changes, the Department is reviewing the procedures and criteria used in the field to revoke visas and will issue new instructions to our officers. Revocation recommendations will be added as an element of reporting through the Visas Viper channel. We will be reiterating our guidance on use of the broad discretionary authority of visa officers to deny visas on security and other grounds. Instruction in appropriate use of this authority has been a fundamental part of officer training for several years.

The State Department has broad and flexible authority to revoke visas and we use that authority widely to protect our borders. Since 2001, we have revoked 51,000 visas for a variety of reasons, including over 1,700 for suspected links to terrorism. We have been actively using this authority as we perform internal scrubs of our data with watchlist information provided by partner agencies. For example, we are re-examining information in our CLASS database on individuals with potential connections to terrorist activity or support for such activity. We are reviewing all previous Visas Viper submissions as well as cases that other agencies are bringing to our attention from the No Fly and Selectee lists, as well as other sources. In these reviews, we have identified cases for revocation and we have also confirmed that substantial numbers of individuals in these classes hold no visas and of those few who did, many were revoked prior to the current review. We recognize the gravity of the threat we face and are working intensely with our colleagues from other agencies to ensure that when the U.S. Government obtains information that a person may pose a threat to our security, that person does not hold a visa.

We will use revocation authority prior to interagency consultation in circumstances where we believe there is an immediate threat. Revocation is an important tool in our border security arsenal. At the same time, expeditious coordination with our national security partners is not to be underestimated. There have been numerous cases where our unilateral and uncoordinated revocation would have disrupted important investigations that were underway by one of our national security partners. They had the individual under investigation and our revocation action would have disclosed the U.S. Government’s interest in the individual and ended our colleagues’ ability to quietly pursue the case and identify terrorists’ plans and co-conspirators.



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. So...he is a militant and not a terrorist? Interesting...I thought ISIL was a terrorist organization
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jun 2015

Blackwater is most assuredly a terrorist organization, it is a shame money trumps all other things in America.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
24. If your fighting Assad, the media will call you a militant or rebel.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jun 2015

The term jihadist or terrorist is not used.

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