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Rousseau | |
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Hobbes | |
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Locke | |
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Marx | |
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Plato | |
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Socrates | |
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Burke | |
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Hegel | |
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Rex
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Narkos
(1,185 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)That being said, obviously Locke was the best. Although Mill's recognition of sexual equality was awesome.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)Adam Smith? You've got an odd list there, although I do understand choices are limited in polls.
I lean towards the Commonwealthmen, myself, so your list is very incomplete to me. Also, I would suggest that Socrates was no political philosopher, that Plato was running his own game in The Republic, and that Aristotle would be more fitting a selection if you wanted to use Greeks.
-- Mal
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Adam Smith was awesome, but so was Plato. Aristotle isn't even in the same league as Plato.
All of this is IMHO and is probably wrong, lol.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)One question that should be considered is what is meant by "greatest." If it is considered in terms of influence, then Machiavelli and Aristotle move far up the list.
-- Mal
Vattel
(9,289 posts)malthaussen
(17,215 posts)... and the Schoolmen based all of their philosophy, including what passed for political science, on his works. It is difficult, though, in the Mediaeval period, to separate the political "philosophy" from the theology. By the time the early Renaissance guys start talking about virtu and the dynamic between the active and contemplative life, his influence can be seen to be even greater.
-- Mal
Vattel
(9,289 posts)But you are definitely right that Aristotle was the man until philosophy and science took an Epicurean turn in the modern period.
By the way, I vastly prefer Plato's defense of his "true aristocracy" in the Republic to Aristotle's defense of democracy.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)... since the earliest writers on Political Economy were interested in aristocracies. But Aristotle's concept that the political life (taken broadly, not just in terms of office-seeking) was the highest expression of ethics is not without merit.
-- Mal
Vattel
(9,289 posts)because Epicurus recommended staying away from politics as much as possible.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I would guess it might be a combination of an ice cream flavor/hair color and a music genre.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Who's tryin' to steal your horse.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)A vote for Socrates is actually a vote for Plato, since Socrates himself never wrote a word.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)the very early stuff was supposedly dialogs as they existed...then plato found his own voice. at least, that's what i remember from 25 years ago...totally FWIW!!
Koinos
(2,792 posts)Plato, Xenophon, and Aristophanes were three writers who wrote from direct acquaintance with Socrates. Socrates himself never wrote a word. That is one of the ironies of the history of philosophy. Plato, a student of Socrates, was deeply affected by Socrates' life and death. But even the early dialogues of Plato are definitely Plato's own creations. He was not trying to record Socrates' words; he was trying to disclose the meaning of recurrent ideas discussed and debated by Socrates with his friends and other fellow citizens. One such idea was the idea of justice -- still worth discussing in our own time. Separating remnants of the historical Socrates from the literary art of Plato in the works of Plato is practically impossible. In a sense, even the early works of Plato are idealizations and not historical representations of Socrates. Aristophanes ("The Clouds" , on the other hand, depicted Socrates as a rogue and a sophist who took pay to teach clients how to get the better of their opponents in court. Xenophon, like Plato, wrote dialogues; but he was not well-acquainted with Socrates; and his writing is quite unremarkable. It is interesting, however, that Xenophon's Socratic dialogues include women.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Plato wrote them down.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)Or I should say "were," as I haven't looked at anything recent on the question.
IIRC, The Republic is 95% Plato.
-- Mal
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
- Groucho Marx.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)We line them up against the wall and POP goes the weasel!
napkinz
(17,199 posts)meaculpa2011
(918 posts)He didn't know what to do with it
If you think this country's bad off now
Just wait 'til I get through with it
Rufus ti Firefly
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Reinhold Niebuhr. Marx for political economy.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."
Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)Bar none.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Because he was cautious, prudent and sane?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Still got to give it to either Plato or Machiavelli
Recursion
(56,582 posts)readings is still a very important one.
Not up there with Locke or Voltaire or Plato, though.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Or Tamerlane.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Plato was full of shit, which suggests Socrates was too.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That was Thomas Aquinas, so...
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Warpy
(111,319 posts)There are so many to choose among.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)JI7
(89,261 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)H2O Man
(73,581 posts)[1] The Haudenosaunee prophet known as the Peace Maker.
[2] Malcolm X
[3] Martin Luther King, Jr.
(in no particular order)