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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:07 PM Jun 2015

Greatest political philosopher


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Mill
0 (0%)
Rousseau
0 (0%)
Hobbes
0 (0%)
Locke
0 (0%)
Marx
2 (33%)
Plato
1 (17%)
Socrates
0 (0%)
Burke
0 (0%)
Hegel
0 (0%)
Other
3 (50%)
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Greatest political philosopher (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 OP
Confucius. nt Rex Jun 2015 #1
John Rawls defininitely needs to be on the list n/t Narkos Jun 2015 #2
Not having Rawls on the list is weird. Vattel Jun 2015 #3
Montesquieu? Machiavelli? malthaussen Jun 2015 #4
Montesquieu and Machiavelli were intellectual lightweights. Vattel Jun 2015 #7
That's why we have horse races, eh? malthaussen Jun 2015 #9
Machiavelli yes, but Aristotle? His political philosophy wasn't that influential, was it? Vattel Jun 2015 #10
Aristotle in general was influential... malthaussen Jun 2015 #18
Aristotle's defense of democracy didn't seem to have much impact (correct me if I am wrong). Vattel Jun 2015 #25
Probably one of the reasons Aristotle fell out of vogue... malthaussen Jun 2015 #34
Yes, and he was the opposite of Epicurus in that regard, Vattel Jun 2015 #42
Britney Spears zappaman Jun 2015 #5
What's her DU handle??!!!!1111 bigwillq Jun 2015 #27
If I were to hazard a guess, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #32
Willie Nelson Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #6
good point Willie Vattel Jun 2015 #26
John Fugelsang. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #8
Socrates? Koinos Jun 2015 #11
i think it's assumed that the earliest work is ascribed to Socrates nashville_brook Jun 2015 #20
No dialogues were put into writing by Socrates himself. He was too busy conversing to write. Koinos Jun 2015 #22
right, my point is they're ascribed to him -- "scribed" nashville_brook Jun 2015 #43
Rather, Plato's earlier dialogues are considered to be truer to the source. malthaussen Jun 2015 #33
Groucho or Karl for the Marx? el_bryanto Jun 2015 #12
Just wait till I get through with it! hifiguy Jun 2015 #15
what about Harpo ... what did he have to say? napkinz Jun 2015 #16
The last man nearly ruined this place... meaculpa2011 Jun 2015 #40
I have always been a fan of hifiguy Jun 2015 #13
Mark Twain Fearless Jun 2015 #14
Every neocon will tell you Leo Strauss was the greatest political philosopher.... Brother Buzz Jun 2015 #17
Why not Burke? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #19
I love Burke Recursion Jun 2015 #37
Strauss was an interesting political philosopher. His distinction between esoteric and exoteric Recursion Jun 2015 #36
Jesus AngryAmish Jun 2015 #21
Locke. No political theory was more transformative than "consent of the governed" lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #23
Oh I don't know. I'd say "Divine Right" was more "transformative" in an absolute sense Recursion Jun 2015 #38
Other: Michael Sandel Exilednight Jun 2015 #24
George Carlin? Will Rogers? Bill Hicks? Chris Rock? George Takei? Warpy Jun 2015 #28
Carlin or Zappa. :) cyberswede Jun 2015 #29
leaning towards locke JI7 Jun 2015 #30
Marcus Aurelius Hiraeth Jun 2015 #31
Machiavelli (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #35
Three others: H2O Man Jun 2015 #39
James Madison. n/t meaculpa2011 Jun 2015 #41
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
3. Not having Rawls on the list is weird.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015

That being said, obviously Locke was the best. Although Mill's recognition of sexual equality was awesome.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
4. Montesquieu? Machiavelli?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

Adam Smith? You've got an odd list there, although I do understand choices are limited in polls.
I lean towards the Commonwealthmen, myself, so your list is very incomplete to me. Also, I would suggest that Socrates was no political philosopher, that Plato was running his own game in The Republic, and that Aristotle would be more fitting a selection if you wanted to use Greeks.

-- Mal

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
7. Montesquieu and Machiavelli were intellectual lightweights.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jun 2015

Adam Smith was awesome, but so was Plato. Aristotle isn't even in the same league as Plato.

All of this is IMHO and is probably wrong, lol.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
9. That's why we have horse races, eh?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jun 2015

One question that should be considered is what is meant by "greatest." If it is considered in terms of influence, then Machiavelli and Aristotle move far up the list.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
18. Aristotle in general was influential...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jun 2015

... and the Schoolmen based all of their philosophy, including what passed for political science, on his works. It is difficult, though, in the Mediaeval period, to separate the political "philosophy" from the theology. By the time the early Renaissance guys start talking about virtu and the dynamic between the active and contemplative life, his influence can be seen to be even greater.

-- Mal

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
25. Aristotle's defense of democracy didn't seem to have much impact (correct me if I am wrong).
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jun 2015

But you are definitely right that Aristotle was the man until philosophy and science took an Epicurean turn in the modern period.

By the way, I vastly prefer Plato's defense of his "true aristocracy" in the Republic to Aristotle's defense of democracy.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
34. Probably one of the reasons Aristotle fell out of vogue...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jun 2015

... since the earliest writers on Political Economy were interested in aristocracies. But Aristotle's concept that the political life (taken broadly, not just in terms of office-seeking) was the highest expression of ethics is not without merit.

-- Mal

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
42. Yes, and he was the opposite of Epicurus in that regard,
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:13 AM
Jun 2015

because Epicurus recommended staying away from politics as much as possible.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
32. If I were to hazard a guess,
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

I would guess it might be a combination of an ice cream flavor/hair color and a music genre.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
20. i think it's assumed that the earliest work is ascribed to Socrates
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

the very early stuff was supposedly dialogs as they existed...then plato found his own voice. at least, that's what i remember from 25 years ago...totally FWIW!!

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
22. No dialogues were put into writing by Socrates himself. He was too busy conversing to write.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jun 2015

Plato, Xenophon, and Aristophanes were three writers who wrote from direct acquaintance with Socrates. Socrates himself never wrote a word. That is one of the ironies of the history of philosophy. Plato, a student of Socrates, was deeply affected by Socrates' life and death. But even the early dialogues of Plato are definitely Plato's own creations. He was not trying to record Socrates' words; he was trying to disclose the meaning of recurrent ideas discussed and debated by Socrates with his friends and other fellow citizens. One such idea was the idea of justice -- still worth discussing in our own time. Separating remnants of the historical Socrates from the literary art of Plato in the works of Plato is practically impossible. In a sense, even the early works of Plato are idealizations and not historical representations of Socrates. Aristophanes ("The Clouds&quot , on the other hand, depicted Socrates as a rogue and a sophist who took pay to teach clients how to get the better of their opponents in court. Xenophon, like Plato, wrote dialogues; but he was not well-acquainted with Socrates; and his writing is quite unremarkable. It is interesting, however, that Xenophon's Socratic dialogues include women.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
33. Rather, Plato's earlier dialogues are considered to be truer to the source.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jun 2015

Or I should say "were," as I haven't looked at anything recent on the question.

IIRC, The Republic is 95% Plato.

-- Mal

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
12. Groucho or Karl for the Marx?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

“The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.”

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
- Groucho Marx.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
40. The last man nearly ruined this place...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:59 AM
Jun 2015

He didn't know what to do with it
If you think this country's bad off now
Just wait 'til I get through with it

Rufus ti Firefly

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
14. Mark Twain
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jun 2015

"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
36. Strauss was an interesting political philosopher. His distinction between esoteric and exoteric
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jun 2015

readings is still a very important one.

Not up there with Locke or Voltaire or Plato, though.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
23. Locke. No political theory was more transformative than "consent of the governed"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jun 2015

Plato was full of shit, which suggests Socrates was too.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
38. Oh I don't know. I'd say "Divine Right" was more "transformative" in an absolute sense
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jun 2015

That was Thomas Aquinas, so...

H2O Man

(73,581 posts)
39. Three others:
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jun 2015

[1] The Haudenosaunee prophet known as the Peace Maker.

[2] Malcolm X

[3] Martin Luther King, Jr.

(in no particular order)

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