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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:21 PM Jun 2015

Introducing Caitlyn Jenner...

My best to Caitlyn Jenner in her new life...



Speaking publicly for the first time since completing gender transition, Caitlyn Jenner compares her emotional two-day photo shoot with Annie Leibovitz for the July cover of Vanity Fair to winning the gold medal for the decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. She tells Pulitzer Prize–winning V.F. contributing editor and author of Friday Night Lights Buzz Bissinger, “That was a good day, but the last couple of days were better. . . . This shoot was about my life and who I am as a person. It’s not about the fanfare, it’s not about people cheering in the stadium, it’s not about going down the street and everybody giving you ‘that a boy, Bruce,’ pat on the back, O.K. This is about your life.”

Jenner tells Bissinger about how she suffered a panic attack the day after undergoing 10-hour facial-feminization surgery on March 15—a procedure she believed would take 5 hours. (Bissinger reveals that Jenner has not had genital surgery.) She recalls thinking, “What did I just do? What did I just do to myself?” A counselor from the Los Angeles Gender Center came to the house so Jenner could talk to a professional, and assured her that such reactions were often induced by pain medication, and that second-guessing was human and temporary.

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Introducing Caitlyn Jenner... (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 OP
Beautiful! She looks content. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2015 #1
Put down the Wheaties and back away and nobody gets hurt. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #2
Results... Major Nikon Jun 2015 #10
A wonderful use of the alert system Blue_Adept Jun 2015 #27
A lack of a sense of humor always seems to prompt an alert. nt valerief Jun 2015 #30
Now we're alerting on people for not being funny? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #72
Two jurors actually voted to hide it???!!!! BillZBubb Jun 2015 #76
Ha! Good point! nt valerief Jun 2015 #31
Do you know how much those are worth now to collectors? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #37
According to a Wheaties box expert, Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #56
Lovely photo. Tree-Hugger Jun 2015 #3
She looks happy. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #4
Wow what a transformation. She looks fantastic. azmom Jun 2015 #5
Wow shenmue Jun 2015 #6
She looks beautiful, good for her. nt. polly7 Jun 2015 #7
I was hoping that she would be content with the outcome roguevalley Jun 2015 #8
She looks like Melissa Gilbert. Myrina Jun 2015 #9
Yes underpants Jun 2015 #12
I think she looks like Julie Newmar mak3cats Jun 2015 #23
I can see that too underpants Jun 2015 #39
Many are saying Jessica Lange. xmas74 Jun 2015 #64
mmmThinking more like Janice Dickinson. But really like 'Bruce.' misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #13
Janice Dickinson was the consensus amongst my facebook friends! nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #15
I thought Jessica Lange PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #18
Washington Post has an article saying the same thing underpants Jun 2015 #19
heh. I am "the internet" PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #20
Well it's nice that you finally got to be who you really are underpants Jun 2015 #38
Nice post, Al Gore!! madinmaryland Jun 2015 #78
^^^This! 1,000%^^^ Quackers Jun 2015 #92
Kris must feel awful LittleBlue Jun 2015 #26
ok that's worthy of a.. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #35
I wish they wouldn't photoshop so much. It implies that she isn't "woman enough" unless tblue37 Jun 2015 #11
I was just thinking the same thing Siwsan Jun 2015 #22
She looks great! City Lights Jun 2015 #14
Caitlyn Jenner will recieve The Arthur Ash Courage Award misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #16
Equal Rights are Human Rights. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #17
I'm very happy for her. TDale313 Jun 2015 #21
She looks beautiful LittleBlue Jun 2015 #24
A completely different image SoapBox Jun 2015 #25
She looks like Jessica Lange! Adrahil Jun 2015 #28
She looks beautiful & I thought she... Little Star Jun 2015 #34
Wow. Awesome. The only thing upsetting is that she has a better figure than I do. LOL. libdem4life Jun 2015 #29
Nice pic. Soccer mom name. nt valerief Jun 2015 #32
She looks great! darkangel218 Jun 2015 #33
Wow! Looks good! Initech Jun 2015 #36
shouldn't it be Kaitlyn JI7 Jun 2015 #40
my first thought as well AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #41
Hey, you can spell it anyway you want if its your preference! 7962 Jun 2015 #42
That's no dash jayschool Jun 2015 #43
Well, those were her words, not mine. And how she "spelled" it! 7962 Jun 2015 #45
Urban legend, and a racist one... mak3cats Jun 2015 #44
Sorry, she graduated high school with my step-daughter. 7962 Jun 2015 #46
Creative allegation. I'd dig in deeper too... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #51
She's probably had enough of Kardashians. rug Jun 2015 #74
To be safe, she should avoid weddings. Yavin4 Jun 2015 #47
I hope Caitlyn realizes she doesn't have to look like a starlet to look like a woman. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #48
On a regular basis, no. xmas74 Jun 2015 #65
Oh good grief, no one is say she shouldn't get her glamour shot. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #82
You sound jealous. woolldog Jun 2015 #84
I'm not hating nor jealous. You completely missed the point. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #89
She's an amazing and brave woman! DawgHouse Jun 2015 #49
I'll be the contrarian Ex Lurker Jun 2015 #50
Have to agree and she calls herself a Republican. nt. JanMichael Jun 2015 #53
that's how I feel. cali Jun 2015 #61
Same here romanic Jun 2015 #90
That's going to take a little getting used to. WillowTree Jun 2015 #52
She certainly looks good for a 65 year old. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #54
With professional photographer, makeup, and photoshop Ex Lurker Jun 2015 #57
she's not a man. she identifies as a woman, but that's the most photoshopped airbrushed cali Jun 2015 #60
I'm a woman in her 60s, too spinbaby Jun 2015 #63
It would be fascinating if someone leaked the raw, unretouched pictures. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #67
Agreed. This photo bugs me, for a couple reasons. Myrina Jun 2015 #94
Please change the gender or delete. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #71
I'm not saying she is a man now because obviously she is a woman. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #73
Thanks! Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #81
She looks happy Aerows Jun 2015 #55
Her courage is going to save lives. Thank you Caitlyn. myrna minx Jun 2015 #58
Stunning... vankuria Jun 2015 #59
I'm pretty sure everyone knows how I feel about this... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #62
Ok, nice cheesecake photo. cwydro Jun 2015 #66
I don't recall where I saw it but recently I saw a picture of Chaz dsc Jun 2015 #69
I guess I just object to the fact that she has to put out that kind of photo, cwydro Jun 2015 #70
I'd be surprised if she "had to" put that photo out. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #75
Yes. cwydro Jun 2015 #77
She looks good. Having Annie Leibovitz as your photographer is always a good idea. nt Zorra Jun 2015 #68
Amazing what millions of dollars can do for your image. There are so many that will never get the madinmaryland Jun 2015 #79
Actually many young transgender women really only need hormones to look passable AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #83
I'm happy for her. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #80
Great post. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #91
How difficult it must be to go through this in the spotlight. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #93
I'm finding it interesting that the most common words of support is that she's 'beautiful' Matariki Jun 2015 #85
I hope she's happy...she's very brave Catherine Vincent Jun 2015 #86
Looks better than her ex-wife Major Nikon Jun 2015 #87
Because that's what's important for women Matariki Jun 2015 #96
I think she picked a very beautiful name :) (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #88
Welcome To This Side Of Things Caitlyn colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #95

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
10. Results...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
72. Now we're alerting on people for not being funny?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jun 2015

Oh, boy, I can think of a lot of people who need alertin'.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
56. According to a Wheaties box expert,
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jun 2015

they are worth about $125 and will drop back down to around $50 when the interest in him dies back down.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
8. I was hoping that she would be content with the outcome
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jun 2015

and that it would be feminine enough that she would be less attacked then she is going to be. What a beautiful transformation. I think the peace coming from inside helps a lot. What a travail it must be to be in the wrong gender. I don't understand anyone not allowing people to be who they are. Smooth sailing, Miss Caitlyn.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
9. She looks like Melissa Gilbert.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jun 2015

Thankfully. I was so afraid she would end up looking that the harpy of an ex-wife, Kris Kardashian.

underpants

(182,866 posts)
12. Yes
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

I couldn't quite place who she looked like. Melissa Gilbert and someone else too - can't quite place it.

She looks pretty incredible any way.

xmas74

(29,675 posts)
64. Many are saying Jessica Lange.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

Lange has even acknowledged it and said she'll have to look for the picture-she seemed pleased with it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
13. mmmThinking more like Janice Dickinson. But really like 'Bruce.'
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

She is beautiful.
Inner beauty, peace, always reflects on the outside.

So this is who that Jenner baby was really born to be.
The Bruce we know is the lifelong struggle of this lovely woman.
Love & respect.
Live happy.

tblue37

(65,480 posts)
11. I wish they wouldn't photoshop so much. It implies that she isn't "woman enough" unless
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jun 2015

she looks like a young model rather than like the person she really is.

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
22. I was just thinking the same thing
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jun 2015

It's a beautiful photograph, although I was really not expecting it would be a glamour shot.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
16. Caitlyn Jenner will recieve The Arthur Ash Courage Award
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jun 2015

It will be given at the ESPN Awards Ceremony

Well deserved.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
17. Equal Rights are Human Rights.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

Kudos to Jenner for breaking this glass ceiling.
THAT is quite an accomplishment.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
21. I'm very happy for her.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jun 2015

She seems comfortable and really happy, and I wish her the best. And more importantly, I hope this helps some struggling with their own gender identity to feel a little less alone.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
29. Wow. Awesome. The only thing upsetting is that she has a better figure than I do. LOL.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

IDC whether it was photoshopped or not. Lovely.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
42. Hey, you can spell it anyway you want if its your preference!
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jun 2015

Since thats the main thing.
I know of a woman whose name is written la-sha.......


Thats pronounced La Dash Sha. "The dash isnt silent". No shit, this really happened.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
46. Sorry, she graduated high school with my step-daughter.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jun 2015

And the spelling wasnt like the on in snopes. She hated it too. But she also went on to college too.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
47. To be safe, she should avoid weddings.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

I know the spelling is not the same, but still. Better safe than sorry.

For you ASOIAF fans. No spoilers!

SunSeeker

(51,651 posts)
48. I hope Caitlyn realizes she doesn't have to look like a starlet to look like a woman.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

She's 65 years old. A woman that age, or any age for that matter, should not have to feel she must look like a 25 year old starlet or supermodel to look like a real woman. Those air - brushed images in magazines and movies are not real.

xmas74

(29,675 posts)
65. On a regular basis, no.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jun 2015

But for today let her have a gorgeous picture she'll be able to look back on. Many of us have that beautiful picture, usually when we were younger, that we feel we looked at our most beautiful. For some it's a prom picture, graduation, wedding, etc. For her it's her official coming out picture. Let her have it, just once.

SunSeeker

(51,651 posts)
82. Oh good grief, no one is say she shouldn't get her glamour shot.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jun 2015

I'm just saying that the glamour shot is not real, it is not what she looks like in real life, any more than the airbrushed models on magazines are real. And yet our society acts like that is the ideal woman and what women should look like. It is no wonder that so many women, not just transgender women, are so unhappy with their bodies.

SunSeeker

(51,651 posts)
89. I'm not hating nor jealous. You completely missed the point.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:06 AM
Jun 2015

I applaud Caitlyn's courage. I hope she finally learns to love her body and finds the peace she is looking for. That is why I said I hope she realizes she doesn't have to look like a starlet to look like a woman. Trying to live up to that unreal standard has brought a lot of misery to women.

Ex Lurker

(3,815 posts)
50. I'll be the contrarian
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jun 2015

if it was anyone else I'd say congratulations. But if I never see a Kardashian or anyone associated with them again, it'll be too soon.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
90. Same here
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:57 AM
Jun 2015

I mean congrats to Caitlyn but please step out of the limelight and take the other Jenners/Kardashians with ya.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
52. That's going to take a little getting used to.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jun 2015

I hope that this brings the soul peace that she has waited so long for.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
60. she's not a man. she identifies as a woman, but that's the most photoshopped airbrushed
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jun 2015

photo ever.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
63. I'm a woman in her 60s, too
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jun 2015

No way could I get close to looking that good. I guess that's what money can do for you.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
67. It would be fascinating if someone leaked the raw, unretouched pictures.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

But I imagine the security was probably roughly equivalent to the security at the Crown Jewels.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
94. Agreed. This photo bugs me, for a couple reasons.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jun 2015

1. I'm in my late 40's and I have a lot of wrinkles, blemishes and sun-spots on my bod. Not a trace of any kind of natural sag or splotch on Caitlyn.

2. I have a couple friends who've been through transition and trust me, they looked more like Maura Pffeferman ("Transparent&quot for the first year or so than they looked like Caitlyn. To set this example as the "standard" really isn't fair to anyone who is already dealing with appearance/ acceptance issues as part of their transition.

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
71. Please change the gender or delete.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jun 2015

Fox News mis-gendered her repeatedly in it's broadcast about her appearance on Vanity Fair. That should not be happening on DU.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
73. I'm not saying she is a man now because obviously she is a woman.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

What I meant was that not every 65 year old man would look that good as a woman after gender reassignment.

I will edit to clarify.

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
81. Thanks!
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:56 PM
Jun 2015

Most trans women I am close to would not describe themselves as men the moment before SRS, because it is not their anatomy which defines their gender.

vankuria

(904 posts)
59. Stunning...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jun 2015

I wish her much happiness in her new life and she finds the inner peace and contentment she deserves.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
69. I don't recall where I saw it but recently I saw a picture of Chaz
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

and he has become a fine looking man.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
70. I guess I just object to the fact that she has to put out that kind of photo,
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jun 2015

where a man would not.

That clan is all publicity though, so I'm not surprised.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
79. Amazing what millions of dollars can do for your image. There are so many that will never get the
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jun 2015

opportunity that Ms. Jenner got.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
83. Actually many young transgender women really only need hormones to look passable
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jun 2015

And the surgeries can be done in Thailand for much cheaper than in the United States (where anything medical here is inflated in price.)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
80. I'm happy for her.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jun 2015

I don't care about her politics or family, this is a good thing.

I wish nothing but the best for Caitlyn and others like her.

You go girl.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
93. How difficult it must be to go through this in the spotlight.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:17 AM
Jun 2015

I think all of us worry about how others see us, just imagine people chasing you everywhere with cameras, pouring over your photographs with a magnifying glass... *shudder*

A courageous woman.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
85. I'm finding it interesting that the most common words of support is that she's 'beautiful'
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jun 2015

I can't help but think, welcome to womanhood Caitlyn where the first and most important thing is your looks.

Catherine Vincent

(34,491 posts)
86. I hope she's happy...she's very brave
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jun 2015

I think in that pic she looks like the average looking 65 year old white woman.

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