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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEstimations of the percentage of conservatives who would support a return to human slavery?
Openly or tacitly, race issues aside -- assume that they do not initiate the return to the practice, but are confronted with it as a fait accompli. How many would accept or embrace it, and how many would disapprove or initiate a fight against it?
I'm thinking high twenties would be just fine with it as long as the new slaves do not look like or are unknown to them.
We're dragging the fourteenth century with us into the future. It's a lot of work, all that dead weight. We know this. Abject cruelty, murder, and torture are attractive to the conservative primate subconscious, and only thin custom and law prevent it from being writ large. Quite a few conservative religious leaders have suggested the Bible supports the practice.
'Fury Road' is their dream world. They fantasize that somehow they will be on top, not the bottom.
High twenties.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)on a religion board.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)civilization and barbarianism. I do think it could be in the high twenties, maybe even higher. Many are already treated as slaves in this country through financial indebtedness and low paying jobs with no future, and no way to escape the financial slavery to this rigged trickle down capitalistic system.
byronius
(7,401 posts)Modslavery is still slavery. And in that sense, support would be well over half, I wager.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)peecoolyour
(336 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)BainsBane
(53,072 posts)than at any point in human history. All kinds of industries use slave labor, including in this country: textiles, slaughterhouses, prostitution, porn, agriculture, domestic service. Many turn a blind eye to it. I've seen people dismiss the issue here by saying, "it's already illegal," as though that means there is nothing to trouble themselves with.
http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/default.aspx
One person who did raise the issue and worked to combat it as Secretary of State: Hillary Clinton. How is that possible, the most evil person on planet earth giving a shit about human bondage when the self-righteous won't sully their heads to even think about it? Meanwhile, some argue they shouldn't have to worry about whether a prostitute their hire is trafficked because "it's already legal" and therefore not their problem.
There is no need to imagine what it would be like to return to the Antebellum era because there are no shortage of people of all political views who accept slavery right now.
Well said.
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)U.S. slavery, with the chains, whipping, and manual labor with the axtual slave owner mostly on-site and in charge, then the number would be extremely low, not even 1%. they don't have the stomach for it. If it's economic slavery, stuck in a jib, barely making ends meet, well, that's already here, except the conservatives aren't in charge, at least not everywhere.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)This kind of silliness just proves the danger of spending too much time in echo chambers.
byronius
(7,401 posts)Do you know any conservatives, or is it just hopeful scorn there?
I stand by my estimate. Dominance is the primary philosophical underpinning of the ideology -- quasi-religious Darwinism. Slavery fits. Certainly for the more libertarian conservative. I've heard several state it quite plainly -- most of the ones I know.
former9thward
(32,086 posts)Quite a few. Probably at least 20%. I can remember in the late 70s articles in liberal publications saying the stories about the forced slavery and massacres in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge were "right wing lies". Ahh, no they weren't.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)former9thward
(32,086 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)What is your problem? Feeling a bit isolated?
former9thward
(32,086 posts)The use of "we've" means you are trying to speak for others. No, I don't feel isolated. I never have been a fan of group think. You may differ.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Just wanted to acknowledge your presence.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)And the question is, "what was Wal-Mart's response to accusations of using slave labor a few years ago."
They didn't give a second thought to Wal-Mart using slave labor overseas because it kept prices down. In doing so, haven't they already admitted they are okay with slavery?
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The bulk of them would disapprove but go along with it. About 10% would fight hard to undermine it.
I know enough conservatives to know that the slavery-championing contingent is an extreme minority. The percentage who championed it would probably be outnumbered by the percentage who would take up arms against it. There is a rather large minority in the Republican party who takes the idea of freedom and liberty very, very seriously.
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FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)We didn't stop using slaves, we just moved the slaves beyond our borders.
To be honest, anyone purchasing from such industries is living on slave labor.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)hunter
(38,334 posts)They'd call it "employment" of some kind.
Those "employees" who refused to cooperate would be severely beaten or exiled to reeducation camps.
Um, er, wait a minute...
Except for the tiny country of the Seychelles,
the United States tops the list of countries by
incarceration rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)They know damn well that anything racially oriented would be a nonstarter.
And many "Liber"tarians support economic, Roman-style slavery as a reflection of a free market.
All of them are ultimately petty materialists who think every human life but theirs is of finite, quantifiable value.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Even though slavery is now outlawed in every country, the number of slaves today remains as high as 12 million [152] to 29.8 million.[8] Several estimates of the number of slaves in the world have been provided.[153] According to a broad definition of slavery used by Kevin Bales of Free the Slaves (FTS), an advocacy group linked with Anti-Slavery International, there were 27 million people in slavery in 1999, spread all over the world.[154] In 2005, the International Labour Organization provided an estimate of 12.3 million forced labourers in the world.[155] Siddharth Kara has also provided an estimate of 28.4 million slaves at the end of 2006 divided into the following three categories: bonded labour/debt bondage (18.1 million), forced labour (7.6 million), and trafficked slaves (2.7 million).[156] Kara provides a dynamic model to calculate the number of slaves in the world each year, with an estimated 29.2 million at the end of 2009. According to a 2003 report by Human Rights Watch, an estimated 15 million children in debt bondage in India work in slavery-like conditions to pay off their family's debts.[157][158]
Distribution
A report by the Walk Free Foundation in 2013,[159] found India had the highest number of slaves, nearly 14 million, followed by China (2.9 million), Pakistan (2.1 million), Nigeria, Ethiopia, Russia, Thailand, Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar and Bangladesh; while the countries with the highest of proportion of slaves were Mauritania, Haiti, Pakistan, India and Nepal.[160]
In June 2013, U.S. State Department released a report on slavery, it placed Russia, China, Uzbekistan in the worst offenders category, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, and Zimbabwe were also at the lowest level. List also included Algeria, Libya, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait among a total of 21 countries.[161][162]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Present_day
valerief
(53,235 posts)unblock
(52,344 posts)but when they talk about getting the government out of the boardroom, cutting red tape, regulations are evil and stifle business, government is the problem not the solution, free trade, and oh by the way unions suck, and so on, what they're doing is enabling rotten treatment of workers up to and including slavery.
but, you know, so long as the republican promises to cut my taxes and hints that the democrat will raise them, why should republicans waste their beautiful minds on something like that?
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)As much as I dislike conservative ideology I would say that the estimate would probably be no more than 7% if they were directly told it was slavery.
However, and this is the frightening part to me, if they were sold the idea that this was some kind of indebted service status or something equally ridiculous where they could be convinced that somehow the people that were enslaved were paying off some debt than I would say that it would shoot up to 70% or more.
Really, it is all in the sales pitch for the GOP. If they can be convinced you are in a bad financial state because you are immoral or that it is all your fault they will agree to almost any kind of treatment. Why do you think they spend so much time on it?
unblock
(52,344 posts)they frame just about every other business issue in terms of rights and freedom of businesses and business owners, and anyone else doesn't enter into the calculation.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They use economics to continue the class divide. To this day, it is still overwhelmingly affecting AA's. If they can continue to keep said group marginalized and uneducated on a large scale, they then keep their goals directed at the group they want. It is the great importance of bootstrap thinking. Bootstrap thinking gives them their great success stories to talk about without ever changing the economic disparity and oppression. Stories of success while championing the failure of others.