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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 05:49 PM Jun 2015

The alleged "Master's Degree in chemistry"

The Pope may not have a Master's degree equivalent but Santorum is still an idiot.


" While several major publications have reported that the former Jorge Bergoglio (now Pope Francis) earned a Master's degree in chemistry, according to the National Catholic Reporter that's something of an exaggeration: what the current pontiff received was the equivalent of a technical school or community college certificate in that field of study."


Pope Francis Has a Master's Degree in Chemistry?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/popechemistry.asp
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The alleged "Master's Degree in chemistry" (Original Post) SHRED Jun 2015 OP
Superlative reasoning nt fadedrose Jun 2015 #1
So even the Pope lied on his resume? NightWatcher Jun 2015 #2
Have you seen his resume? I don't ever remember the Pope claiming that but Cleita Jun 2015 #4
He didn't claim it. Igel Jun 2015 #10
Thanks. What you say is interesting as I'm not that deep into the weeds as to how Cleita Jun 2015 #11
Santorum has an associate degree in fantasizing about turtle twerking Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #3
That's one horny turtle. SHRED Jun 2015 #5
Santorum has sex with dogs, I swear he does...Well, that is what I HEARD randys1 Jun 2015 #6
Yes but only anal penetration... Human101948 Jun 2015 #7
LOL randys1 Jun 2015 #8
Never occurred to me to check Snopes on this. bvf Jun 2015 #9
but....he's infallible. spanone Jun 2015 #12

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. Have you seen his resume? I don't ever remember the Pope claiming that but
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jun 2015

if he did, it might have been a translation to English error.

Igel

(35,362 posts)
10. He didn't claim it.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jun 2015

And translating degrees is a vexed nightmare.

Not only do they vary by country and system, but also over time.

So a "doctorate" means something different if it's Russian, German, or American. The American doctorate is more.

But there's a kind of degree that's harder than a doctorate, and for the life of me I have no idea what to call it in English because every translation that comes to mind is just wrong. After years of working as a professor or researcher it's a rather long, extended monograph in your field that is evaluated by a team of established researchers. An American PhD shows you can do reasonable research with guidance; the European "version" shows you can do masterful completely independent research on a large scale.

Same for medical degrees, secondary degrees, certifications and certificates of a thousand different kinds. Any translation points to something in the US system that is inappropriate. Even worse is when the term in the source language is itself ambiguous.

What's amusing is the knee-jerk reaction to a knee-jerk reaction. In an effort do point out how ignorant Santorum was, something false was said (it was welcomed here because it made Santorum look doltish). However, that made Francis look less doltish than many wanted. So now it's some sort of intentional overstatement to trick people--and since we now want Francis to seem doltish, that also works. (He is as he has been; all that's changing is the expediency of one perception over the other. The conversation is about us, not him.)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. Thanks. What you say is interesting as I'm not that deep into the weeds as to how
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

Academia works.

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