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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:42 PM Jun 2015

This whole thing is crazy

Someone was banned, by the owners of this site and I keep reading post after,post after, post from a group that are pissed off. Well I found this in the Terms of Service.

By registering a Democratic Underground account, you agree to abide by these terms. A single violation of any of these terms could result in your posting privileges being revoked without warning.

The Democratic Underground Administrators have a great deal of confidence in our system of citizen jurors and software tools, but we are well aware that trolls are constantly on the lookout for new ways to cause trouble and therefore on rare occasions it may necessary for us to revoke a member's posting privileges for reasons that are not covered by these Terms of Service. Because of this necessity, we retain the right to revoke any member's posting privileges at any time for any reason.


There is more if you look at the terms of service. The point is the owners have the right to ban someone, whether you think it was right or not. All the pissing and moaning about DU, Skinner, and Earl G. won't change things, it's only making it a lot worse. This is a site for democrats, liberals, progressives, and populists to come and try and get democrats elected, it says that right in the Terms of Service. We need to come together, not keep on fighting and slinging mud like children on the playground.

One of the three candidates we have running WILL be the nominee, we need to accept the fact it might not be the one we want, but attacking each other won't change things. We can't we at least try to follow the rules set out here by the owners and get democrats elected?

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This whole thing is crazy (Original Post) Andy823 Jun 2015 OP
You know what would have been cool? Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #1
But then you can't feel like you're spearheading the righteous indignation charge Scootaloo Jun 2015 #2
Charrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrge! Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #6
It's simply a fact Andy823 Jun 2015 #14
Okay. Doesn't explain the need for you to make a fresh OP on it Scootaloo Jun 2015 #22
I think so. People sometimes forget and need to be reminded. Javaman Jun 2015 #34
And sometimes that reminder may come in the form of a ban. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #41
yeah, sadly. Javaman Jun 2015 #62
There are a lot of new threads Andy823 Jun 2015 #55
You know that's not the DU way TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #5
The other ten threads Andy823 Jun 2015 #12
Until one of your buddies or someone you agree with get banned. -none Jun 2015 #30
I won't touch a thread with over 200 posts. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #39
Trash the thread is a handy little function. n/t Avalux Jun 2015 #3
Furthermore, the way to address this with admin is ATA forum or email/pm them uppityperson Jun 2015 #4
Exactly Andy823 Jun 2015 #19
Counting yours? (Nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #23
I am not complaining Andy823 Jun 2015 #24
Re-read the policy you quoted. Specifically, the very first phrase. jeff47 Jun 2015 #27
OK Andy823 Jun 2015 #57
You are complaining about DUers. nt City Lights Jun 2015 #40
You are indeed complaining. closeupready Jun 2015 #50
A very good point. I guess like a restaurant that refuses to serve a potential customer because still_one Jun 2015 #7
Actually that's a law all restaurants open to the public are supposed to follow. Cleita Jun 2015 #9
Can someone please explain something to me? (I asked this question elsewhere too) StevieM Jun 2015 #8
I would think so Andy823 Jun 2015 #10
What group is that, Andy? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #13
Read the posts Andy823 Jun 2015 #17
Spell it out for me. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #20
I don't have to Andy823 Jun 2015 #28
The knitting group? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #29
Pretty sure it is the cooking and baking group. Hiraeth Jun 2015 #44
And most people knew exactly what Skip was spelling out, too. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #38
No, it's really not. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #25
Don't be shy, Andy. Tell us to which group you're referring. nt City Lights Jun 2015 #36
He can't. If he did he would be violating the rules and risk getting banned himself. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #43
Yes they know it Andy823 Jun 2015 #56
Pretty sad and pathetic. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #59
He can write to the admins and seek an appeal, yeah Scootaloo Jun 2015 #11
He needs to contact admin directly. Other DUers can do so also through ATA forum or pm/email uppityperson Jun 2015 #15
I am very curious as to why all these threads are still here. Tipperary Jun 2015 #33
Yes, they are, but the so-called standards here are rarely enforced evenly. nt City Lights Jun 2015 #37
Thread Winning post. Hiraeth Jun 2015 #45
Well, it seems the powers that be are allowing both sides to have at it. Tipperary Jun 2015 #48
The Hosts volunteer to decide whether or not an OP, and only the OP, meets a forums SOP uppityperson Jun 2015 #51
That is certainly helpful, but it reinforces my belief that many of the threads Tipperary Jun 2015 #52
If you haven't, volunteer as host, put yourself on the list so you can see and participate. uppityperson Jun 2015 #53
Thank you again! Tipperary Jun 2015 #63
No one thinks the owners don't have the right. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #16
Hey, at least all these threads cwydro Jun 2015 #18
Let the Duggars have the rest of the internet; we know what is really important! Hiraeth Jun 2015 #46
Lmao! cwydro Jun 2015 #49
Drinking with the living dead - bottoms up seveneyes Jun 2015 #21
FOUR candidates, if you want to include the guy whose campaign revolves bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #26
Maybe Jim Webb should champion Esperanto. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #31
LOL. He can teach Esperanto to disaffected poor whites in the South that vote against their best FSogol Jun 2015 #42
Has anyone argued that the owners don't have the right to ban him? LittleBlue Jun 2015 #32
Lots of people Andy823 Jun 2015 #54
The reason I think the bad was an absurd over-reaction... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #60
people like drama...like going to the break room and hearing blah blah blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAH! snooper2 Jun 2015 #35
Apparently. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #47
. Rex Jun 2015 #58
A voice of sanity! bobGandolf Jun 2015 #61
Seriously. He can email admin himself. bravenak Jun 2015 #64
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
1. You know what would have been cool?
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jun 2015

If this had been added to one of the other 10 threads on this subject.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
14. It's simply a fact
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

The owners have the right to ban anyone. There are rules in the Terms of Service. Everyone should read them.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
55. There are a lot of new threads
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jun 2015

Some are a lot newer than this one. Are you also going on those threads and asking them the same question?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
12. The other ten threads
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:04 PM
Jun 2015

Are pretty much the same thing, a lot of complaining because a poster was banned by the owners and his buddies are all pissed off. The terms of service are pretty easy to find, and everyone should read them.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
4. Furthermore, the way to address this with admin is ATA forum or email/pm them
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jun 2015

ATA forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259


And, per Skinner's locked thread at the top of GD...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

What can and cannot be posted in the General Discussion forum

Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
19. Exactly
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jun 2015
"Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted."

I wonder how many of those threads are on DU tonight?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
24. I am not complaining
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jun 2015

About a ban, a jury decision, etc. I am pointing out the rules that can be read in the terms of service. There is a difference there.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
27. Re-read the policy you quoted. Specifically, the very first phrase.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jun 2015
Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members

Congrats. You made a thread complaining about DU and its members.

still_one

(92,422 posts)
7. A very good point. I guess like a restaurant that refuses to serve a potential customer because
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jun 2015

they don't have a shirt or shoes

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. Actually that's a law all restaurants open to the public are supposed to follow.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jun 2015

This is more like a private club whose rules you are supposed to follow.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
8. Can someone please explain something to me? (I asked this question elsewhere too)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jun 2015

I'll start by stating my bias. I am a Hillary supporter, going all the way back to 2007.

I know that NYC Skip wasn't. And that he alluded to a bad word when describing her, or something like that.

Here is my question:

Isn't this something that can be resolved? Can't he appeal the decision? Is he allowed to apologize, serve a suspension and then get reinstated so that he can post here again?

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
43. He can't. If he did he would be violating the rules and risk getting banned himself.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jun 2015

But you knew that.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
56. Yes they know it
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jun 2015

However they keep throwing the bait out to lots of posters trying to get them to take the bait.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
59. Pretty sad and pathetic.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jun 2015

This is after all JUST an internet message board.

Edit: Sometimes I think I'm back in junior high here.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
15. He needs to contact admin directly. Other DUers can do so also through ATA forum or pm/email
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

Sometimes people are reinstated. But posting thread after thread in GD helps nothing.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
33. I am very curious as to why all these threads are still here.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:59 AM
Jun 2015

Aren't these threads the very definition of meta?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
48. Well, it seems the powers that be are allowing both sides to have at it.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jun 2015

I think it has gotten a bit boring. Maybe that's because I'm not on either side.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
51. The Hosts volunteer to decide whether or not an OP, and only the OP, meets a forums SOP
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jun 2015

You may know all of this, but I am posting it for others also as there is has been a lot of confusion about this.

Each forum and group has a button over the threads "about this forum". That takes you to a page that has the Statement of Purpose for that particular forum.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002

tatement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.


The "for more information" link in that takes you to the pinned thread of Skinner's at the top of GD.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978
hat can and cannot be posted in the General Discussion forum

This discussion thread is pinned and locked. It is closed to new replies.
The Statement of Purpose for the General Discussion forum says this:

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden.

In an effort to provide greater clarity to members posting in this forum -- and to hosts trying to enforce this statement of purpose -- here is a detailed list of examples that should give some idea of where the line is drawn. As much as possible, we have attempted to describe current hosting practices rather than to place greater restrictions on what can be posted.
(clip)

DISRUPTIVE META-DISCUSSION
Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.


As to what Duers who volunteer as Hosts do, there is this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem
(clip) About Forum Hosts

Forum Hosts have one very simple job: they lock discussion threads which violate the Statement of Purpose for the forum they are hosting. When determining whether a thread violates the Statement of Purpose they must use their own best judgment and only consider the content of the OP (Original Post -- the post which begins the thread).....
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
52. That is certainly helpful, but it reinforces my belief that many of the threads
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jun 2015

going now DO fit that label of "disruptive meta-discussion." But hey, I'm a newbie, so what do I know lol?

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
53. If you haven't, volunteer as host, put yourself on the list so you can see and participate.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

The link is found in the "about this forum" place, here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002

There are qualifications though, once you meet them, please volunteer as it is a good thing to do and educational. It is often a thankless job, and all volunteer. Still, they do the best they can to keep this place running within the guidelines.

Q. Who is eligible to serve as a forum Host?

A. You are eligible to serve as a Forum Host if you have a 100% chance of serving on a Jury. This means that you must:

Have posted more than 2,000 times
Have 200 or more days of membership
Have posted more than 20 times in the last 90 days
Have had zero hidden posts in the last 90 days
Be a Star Member

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. Hey, at least all these threads
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jun 2015

are knocking the Duggars off the front page.

Something to be said for that!

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
26. FOUR candidates, if you want to include the guy whose campaign revolves
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jun 2015

around the adoption of the metric system!

FSogol

(45,529 posts)
42. LOL. He can teach Esperanto to disaffected poor whites in the South that vote against their best
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:07 AM
Jun 2015

interests....

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
32. Has anyone argued that the owners don't have the right to ban him?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jun 2015

So confusing. I see poeple arguing that he should be given a second chance, though.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
54. Lots of people
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jun 2015

Are saying he should not have been banned. Lots of people are trying to say it was all because he was a Sanders supporter. Others are saying "only" those who support Hillary are safe from being banned. Plus there are a lot of other excused going on for why he shouldn't have been banned.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
60. The reason I think the bad was an absurd over-reaction...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jun 2015

...is because it was an utterly obvious case of throwing the misogynist term back in the face of the troll who used it first.He was making something of an obtuse joke about it (rather than being really direct and explicit), and the term really shouldn't appear here at all (I can certainly see a hide and even a reaming from the mods), but to ban a long-time member with a record of putting in the effort to host groups, etc. is an insane over-reaction.

That troll's post is gone (auto-removed after the troll's account went bye-bye), but the poster snagglepuss saved the exchange:

Troll's post:

Feel the Bern.

If she's not ready to handle spontaneous exchanges,

she is not fit for the Presidency. This is all smoke and mirrors, IMO. Yes, I am voting for Bernie but just thinking of her even pulling such a cunning stunt is pretty shockingly appalling.

I'm not sayin'--I'm just sayin'...


Skip's reply:


Welcome to DU, Feel the Bern! And yes, it's a Cunning Stunt!

I say that to myself every day, over an over.

It can be a tongue twister!
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
47. Apparently.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

Said poster is too big to fail. The rules don't apply to them. Fortunately, the owners of the site don't feel the same when it comes to sexist behavior.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. .
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jun 2015

No doubt people love stirring the pot when the chance arises. I think they are better at it, then actual discussion of topics and issues.

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