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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:23 PM Jun 2015

This week or next, the House will pass TPA

The, er, persuasion from the President, members of the administration and Pelosi, are paying off. Pelosi has, according to the WH, been very helpful in rounding up dems who are less vulnerable, thus shielding more vulnerable ones. Three more dems have come out in support: Hines of CT, Beyer of VA and Kilmer of WA. When the President's new best buddy, schedules the vote, you'll know that they have the votes to pass it- and the TPP.

The TPP will be wrapped up swiftly and it will be followed in short order by the TTIP and TISA. My bet is all 3 will pass by this time next year.

You can call it pessimism or cynicism, but I call it knowing how the system works, and the lessons of history.

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This week or next, the House will pass TPA (Original Post) cali Jun 2015 OP
Oh, no surprise there. And there is literally NOTHING that can get me to ever vote again for djean111 Jun 2015 #1
Seems reasonable to me. malthaussen Jun 2015 #2
I think the majority fredamae Jun 2015 #3
it was going to happen all along. I am a little bit encouraged that some dems stood up to the Doctor_J Jun 2015 #4
Penny Pritzker approves this message. Octafish Jun 2015 #5
Man I would love to argue with you on this, but you are right rurallib Jun 2015 #6
If so I will forever remember Obama as the Republicsn INdemo Jun 2015 #7
+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #14
Obama was a hard lesson for me, but I learned. LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #15
I let Hines know what I think about his choice. He has not responded. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #8
I called my ( Dem ) congresswoman, her aide wouldn't/couldn't say how she'd vote on the issue Populist_Prole Jun 2015 #9
TPA will only pass by one or two votes. tritsofme Jun 2015 #10
much of that is by design cali Jun 2015 #13
I read somewhere that Pelosi is busy figuring out which Dems to sacrifice, which Dems are not djean111 Jun 2015 #16
Probably true. And TPP will pass also. And after that, it will have very little DanTex Jun 2015 #11
oh, I think you're wrong. within a couple of years we should be able to cali Jun 2015 #12
+1000 Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #17
I guess we'll see. BTW I'm not a corporate dem. Where did you get that idea? DanTex Jun 2015 #19
Let's see. A project engineered by Republicans, Corporations, and Hillary. What could go wrong? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #18
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Oh, no surprise there. And there is literally NOTHING that can get me to ever vote again for
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jun 2015

anyone who votes yes. Or helped write it. Or shilled for it. Kind of simplifies things for me, really.

I knew it was coming when Obama started giving rides in Air Force One.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
3. I think the majority
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jun 2015

of those following this issue expect nothing less...especially from the "weak-kneed, milque toast, spineless and greedy" Democrats that have made it routine to cave to give the GOP what they themselves and their lobbyists wanted all along ....then blame the GOP and then the GOP blames the Dems....and then the grand façade continues via distraction.
They do however, put on great Oscar winning performances for the masses and allow enough time for our anger and memories to fade right before they ask us for those $5. campaign donations and our votes-tho.
How many times are "we" gonna wear the same costume to the same party before we see "this ain't going nowhere for anybody But them fast"?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. it was going to happen all along. I am a little bit encouraged that some dems stood up to the
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jun 2015

president, but the long term outlook for the party and the country is very bleak, especially since Clinton is at least as corporate as Obama.

rurallib

(62,423 posts)
6. Man I would love to argue with you on this, but you are right
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

I was talking with Mrs. Lib yesterday about the ramifications 5, 10, 20 years down the road.

Once passed there will be no going back. Just look at NAFTA.

The seeds for the end of the democracy will be planted and will grow large.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
7. If so I will forever remember Obama as the Republicsn
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

That ran as a Democrat and he was able to fool me twice. A good example as to why we can't have Hillary (Republican Lite) as our nominee.I am all in for Bernie Sanders.
This could actually cost Hillary votes because voters look at her as Obama II

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)
10. TPA will only pass by one or two votes.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jun 2015

Even as someone that supports these sorts of agreements in principle, I see a much rougher road to final passage, there are no guarantees, it will depend on the final deal.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
16. I read somewhere that Pelosi is busy figuring out which Dems to sacrifice, which Dems are not
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jun 2015

running again, which Dems can be hurt the least by voting yes and providing cover for those who vote no.
I wonder if rides on AF1 come with souvenir t-shirts, or maybe the lucky Dems are shown how easy it would be to just open that door.....or maybe it is set up like the old First Class cabins, with Jamie Dimon tending bar and handing out envelopes stuffed with cash and promises.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. Probably true. And TPP will pass also. And after that, it will have very little
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jun 2015

measurable impact, but people will insist on blaming all that is wrong with the world on it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. oh, I think you're wrong. within a couple of years we should be able to
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jun 2015

see a plethora of negative effects. Of course you corporate dems will refuse to acknowledge them and will run around blaming other factors.

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