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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:07 PM Jun 2015

We bailed you out, and now you want what!?!

By Steven Pearlstein June 7 at 2:27 PM

Americans were angry when Wall Street’s greedy and risky behavior triggered a global financial crisis in 2008. They were angrier still when the government had to borrow and spend hundreds of billions of dollars to rescue mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the largest banks and the insurance company AIG. They were outraged when they found out that executives at those enterprises were continuing to receive big salaries and bonuses.

So just imagine how it outrageous it would be if some Wall Street sharpies went to court to argue that they didn’t benefit enough from the bailouts and that taxpayers should pay them tens of billions of dollars more.

In fact, they did. And, according to legal observers, they just might prevail.

“Lawsuits of the Rich and Shameless” is how the comedian Jon Stewart dubbed it.

“An absurdist comedy .?.?. worthy of the Marx Brothers or Mel Brooks,” wrote John Cassidy, the New Yorker’s economics correspondent.

For taxpayers, it looks to be another example of the old adage that no good deed goes unpunished.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/we-bailed-you-out-and-now-you-want-what/2015/06/05/95ba1be0-0a27-11e5-95fd-d580f1c5d44e_story.html?tid=hpModule_79c38dfc-8691-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394&hpid=z14

It would be a lot harder for them to do this if they were in jail. Just saying.

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We bailed you out, and now you want what!?! (Original Post) n2doc Jun 2015 OP
But but but we're looking forward..... onecaliberal Jun 2015 #1
Then let's look FORWARD to NOT forking over more taxpayer treasure. n/t Beartracks Jun 2015 #26
I definitely NOT for giving them more money, as someone already pointed out if they were in prison onecaliberal Jun 2015 #27
That article is bit truthy MFrohike Jun 2015 #2
'Overstepped by taking equity..." daleanime Jun 2015 #6
Perhaps MFrohike Jun 2015 #10
Hey, AIG did not have to accept the terms. It was an agreement. And if AIG was between 1monster Jun 2015 #12
Yeah, that's not even close to true MFrohike Jun 2015 #13
the scumbag vs scumbag polynomial Jun 2015 #11
WTF? SoapBox Jun 2015 #3
Wow! Shameless, greedy, conniving, Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #4
+1 Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #5
They got the public bailout and then private bailouts.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #7
You know why they do things like this? Because they can AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #8
anyone who says they wont vote for someone just b/c there's a 'D' Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #9
yet another disastrous decision by the president Doctor_J Jun 2015 #14
Huh? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #23
The bailouts *started* in 2008 Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #29
The government made money off of the bailout and the banks want some of it back Recursion Jun 2015 #15
They should have been held accountable like regular citizens are. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #16
They are regular citizens, they just believe they are superior to us. Now if we could just get Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #31
A short ride in a tumbrel will cure that attitude among the banksters. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #17
Armani could make a killing... gregcrawford Jun 2015 #18
Oh well ...silly rich people are just trying to come up with more campaign money for Hillary. L0oniX Jun 2015 #19
Just representing the shared interests of their backers. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #20
Legs Dimon and Pretty Boy Lloyd aren't too big to fail . . . Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #21
SOBs got their bazillions upfront while driving their business to the brink of ruin. Now they want.. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2015 #22
But but but they're royalty Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #24
seriously - these scum need to be in jail dbackjon Jun 2015 #25
They could do it from jail Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #28
Hold up. Didn't Bush's bail out reward them by kicking people out of their homes? d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #30
They should all be in jail.... ut oh Jun 2015 #32

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
27. I definitely NOT for giving them more money, as someone already pointed out if they were in prison
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

it would be pretty difficult for them to pull this off. They've got intestinal fortitude that's for sure.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
2. That article is bit truthy
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

There's very little about the Fed overstepping its bounds with AIG, nor one of the main points that Geithner and Bernanke used AIG to effectively launder bailout funds to Goldman and the rest. Dodd-Frank actually tried to address the very issue in the case, namely that the Fed overstepped by taking equity in AIG. I don't find this article to be terribly persuasive because it's cast in moral tones of good vs. evil when it's really scumbag vs. scumbag. Greenberg doesn't deserve money, he deserves the penitentiary. So do Bernanke, Geithner, and Paulson for the misuse of public funds.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
10. Perhaps
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jun 2015

Either way, that's the power of Congress, not the Fed. The Fed took on executive powers without a legislative mandate.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
12. Hey, AIG did not have to accept the terms. It was an agreement. And if AIG was between
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jun 2015

a really big rock and very hard place, they had no one to blame but themselves. Treasury did not hold a gun to their heads. Treasury simply said here's the deal we are offering. Take it or leave it.

They could have accepted the consequences of their own actions, but they decided to get the taxpayers to bail them out, and then sneered in the taxpayers faces by using some of that bail out money to pay themselves huge bonuses.

As it it, they got better terms than anyone else was offering. And they were saved. They should be grateful, but like most entitled, spoiled rotten brats, they are throwing a temper tantrum and demanding more.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
13. Yeah, that's not even close to true
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jun 2015

AIG was going to be bailed out no matter what because it held the bets on the housing market. A failure of AIG would have sunk ALL of the investment banks and most of the commercial banks. This wasn't a case of having a choice, this was a case of the Fed exceeding its powers granted to it by law. It was done to hide the fact that the investment banks were insolvent and thus ineligible to apply to be holding companies under the Bank Holding Company Act.

By the way, Greenberg hadn't been at AIG since 2005. This is a dispute over stock he owned through special purpose vehicles, as I recall. It's got nothing to do with AIG being ungrateful. The author is trying to gin up outrage over supposed ungratefulness when the actual issue is that the Fed and Treasury screwed up. Like I said, it's scumbag vs. scumbag.

polynomial

(750 posts)
11. the scumbag vs scumbag
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jun 2015

Still chuckling and having a laugh at that...They, Bernanke, Geithner, and Paulson should be on life time perpetual civic duty serving on soup lines and doing the laundry for the homeless, along with Bush and Cheney.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
7. They got the public bailout and then private bailouts....
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jun 2015

All tolled it came to the entire value of all real estate in the entire United States.

Well,....that's what I read back then.

 

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)
9. anyone who says they wont vote for someone just b/c there's a 'D'
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jun 2015

by their name ought to drink this in

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
14. yet another disastrous decision by the president
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jun 2015

But can you see him actually sending his golfing buddy Dimon to jail? This is why I will have a hard time voting for Clinton. More of the same

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. The government made money off of the bailout and the banks want some of it back
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jun 2015

This idea that the bailout "cost" the government anything is kind of silly -- the government made several billion dollars off of it, and that's what pisses off the banks.

Personally, I think they can sit on their request and spin, but it's not the case that they "took money" from the government; the government took money from them as the cost of keeping them afloat temporarily.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
16. They should have been held accountable like regular citizens are.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:20 AM
Jun 2015

I guess this is the thing that pisses me off the most, that these corporate criminals were never held accountable for their crimes. To me this is almost as bad as the lies used to justify the Iraq War. Nothing was done there either. WTF?

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Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
31. They are regular citizens, they just believe they are superior to us. Now if we could just get
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jun 2015

them out of their false beliefs

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
20. Just representing the shared interests of their backers.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jun 2015

Amazing the power when people group money together to defeat democracy.
If it didn't make life so horrible for everything it would almost be laudable.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,840 posts)
22. SOBs got their bazillions upfront while driving their business to the brink of ruin. Now they want..
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jun 2015

...money on the back end as well?

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
25. seriously - these scum need to be in jail
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jun 2015

All assets seized. Put them and their families on the street.

Let them apply for welfare.



 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
28. They could do it from jail
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015

a gallows, on the other hand, would pose greater challenges to such an effort

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
30. Hold up. Didn't Bush's bail out reward them by kicking people out of their homes?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

They made money off of vacant properties. How is that not a benefit?

ut oh

(895 posts)
32. They should all be in jail....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

Instead of trying to sue the government for more undeserved/unearned dollars.

It is amazing the level of greediness these people have. Entitled jerks....

This is the problem with not prosecuting any of these executives. It re-enforces their belief they are above the law and above government regulation. And still think they "deserve" more handouts...

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