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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:27 PM Jun 2015

Every Serena Williams win comes with a side of disgusting racism and sexism

Serena Williams beat Lucie Safarova to win the French Open Saturday. Her reward, at least on social media, came in the form of some of the same racist and sexist comments that have followed her for her entire career.

In the moments surrounding her win, Williams was compared to an animal, likened to a man, and deemed frightening and horrifyingly unattractive. One Twitter user who wrote that Williams "looks like a gorilla, and sounds like a gorilla when she grunts while hitting the ball. In conclusion, she is a gorilla." And another described her as "so unbelievably dominant...and manly". ESPN sports commentator Bomani Jones responded to those reactions — as well as to the ones that dismissed them as subjective commentary — with a series of tweets..

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/11/8189679/serena-williams-indian-wells-racism?ref=yfp

Just awful.

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Every Serena Williams win comes with a side of disgusting racism and sexism (Original Post) oberliner Jun 2015 OP
Yipes shenmue Jun 2015 #1
Absolutely disgusting, but sadly not surprising gratuitous Jun 2015 #2
I think they are experiencing a jealous rage... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #3
Gorillas are beautiful. Aristus Jun 2015 #7
Strong women scare their scared little brains awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #52
I bet Serena Williams knows how to ignore all this and concentrate on her actual life. (nt) enough Jun 2015 #4
horrible Skittles Jun 2015 #5
Not only idiots, but apparently blind as well. hifiguy Jun 2015 #6
Ah, to be 30 yrs. younger. As if that would do me any good. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #26
Serena is one of my heroes. cwydro Jun 2015 #8
It will be hard to catch Steffi with her TBF Jun 2015 #36
Serena can catch Steffi this year. n/t Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #43
I wish I could be in Rio watching - TBF Jun 2015 #49
unfortunately, not surprised but disappointed Va Lefty Jun 2015 #9
Why would VauxNews give these racist trolls a platform to spread their filth? LittleBlue Jun 2015 #10
It's Vox Clickbait daredtowork Jun 2015 #11
The article is not about "tweets" or racist trolls oberliner Jun 2015 #15
I bet most men that call her "manly" are jealous that she's stronger and more athletic than they are Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #12
I saw a clip of Victoria Azarenka practicing Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #45
Jealousy of losers... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #13
welcome to du. niyad Jun 2015 #22
Thanks! nt 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #33
Of course you can find racist crap if you look for it... hay rick Jun 2015 #14
Did you read the entire article? oberliner Jun 2015 #16
The internet has empowered these twerps Plucketeer Jun 2015 #21
it's the GIFT keroro gunsou Jun 2015 #35
keep winning Serena. ignore those racist losers Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #17
Fortunately it says everything about the sad little hater racists and nothing about Serena Cha Jun 2015 #18
Bingo! She's beautiful and talented. Those assholes can't take that away from her. valerief Jun 2015 #19
Eff the haters. She's a champion. Prism Jun 2015 #20
Once economic equality is reached.........nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #23
Serena? Manly? KamaAina Jun 2015 #24
Idiots will be idiots. Calista241 Jun 2015 #25
I think Serena is a very beautiful individual Hutzpa Jun 2015 #27
Sports fandom in particular harbors insane ugliness. DirkGently Jun 2015 #28
It's worse in Europe ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #31
How come Serena Williams gets called a gorilla but Rhonda Rousey d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #29
No sportswriter or "media person" called Serena a gorilla ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #32
Thanks for clearing that up for me and you're right. d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #34
One called her "an animal" and suggested she pose for National Geographic oberliner Jun 2015 #39
Sid Rosenberg is a Don Imus flunky ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #40
He had a radio show talking about sports on WFAN oberliner Jun 2015 #50
Yeah, he's practically Frank Deford, or Bob Costas. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #54
"Just awful" is right. I don't follow sports and had no idea. deurbano Jun 2015 #30
I've been a tennis fan for DECADES. MarianJack Jun 2015 #37
Reminds me a lot of RWs AngryDem001 Jun 2015 #38
Serena is a real champion. Bigots hate that. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #41
This old white lady says... Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #42
this makes me sad. nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #44
Venus and Serena are both goddesses. Some people are just jealous. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #46
The bastards can say all they want...SHE WON! C Moon Jun 2015 #47
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Jun 2015 #48
These trolls are the same ones that worship...... wolfie001 Jun 2015 #51
How much longer.... mdbl Jun 2015 #53

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Absolutely disgusting, but sadly not surprising
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

There's story up now on MSN about the Kansas lege re-considering that $25 daily limit on TANF benefits. Holy shit, the comments!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. I think they are experiencing a jealous rage...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jun 2015

She is athletic, smart, talented, and beautiful. She could have been a fashion model, but luckily for the world of tennis she went a different route.


Aristus

(66,377 posts)
7. Gorillas are beautiful.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

Serena Williams is beautiful.

Neither is otherwise like the other, and both are higher forms of life than the scum who post that shit.





 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
8. Serena is one of my heroes.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:32 PM
Jun 2015

If people want to read this crap, they can find it.

It does not belong here.

She is a champion, a fighter, and she is about to break every record out there for women's tennis.

Please leave this in whatever nasty place you found it.

I always wonder when DUers find nasty racist or tea party or anti gay or whatever crap - why you gotta bring it here?

(first time in my time here to use the puke emoji)

TBF

(32,062 posts)
36. It will be hard to catch Steffi with her
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jun 2015

golden slam (all majors & gold in the Olympics in one calendar year). But I'd never count out Serena. I get annoyed with her attitude sometimes (like the altercation with the ref) but she is an absolutely amazing athlete.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
49. I wish I could be in Rio watching -
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

it's got to be why Roger is still playing as well. All the best to Serena!

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
10. Why would VauxNews give these racist trolls a platform to spread their filth?
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

Now thousands more people can read it and the trolls get what they want: attention. Do you think Serena wants to see these assholes and their comments in the news? Imagine what it feels like for her to make history and then see the top news stories discussing her appearance with the word "monkey" used.

"A twitter user said" is not news. Report those tweets and move on.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
11. It's Vox Clickbait
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jun 2015

And I don't say that to detract from the story - Serena Williams is a hero of mine!

But I hate how Markos Moulitsas, who has personal Third Way leanings, made his fame and fortune exploiting progressives on Daily Kos. Could we get a Serena celebration story with different link than Vox, please?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. The article is not about "tweets" or racist trolls
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:09 AM - Edit history (1)

It chronicles the history of how she has been covered in the media, including by reporters in mainstream news sources, over the years.

It's actually a pretty detailed piece which I think Serena would appreciate.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. I bet most men that call her "manly" are jealous that she's stronger and more athletic than they are
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jun 2015

I couldn't care less what she looks like (although I think she's got serious style). It's her tennis that impresses me, and in particular her focus and determination. Those are admirable qualities to me. She's an awesome champion, one of the all-time greats of the game.

I have to admit I've pretty much given up watching women's tennis for a while now, though. That horrible shrieking they all seem to do (can we not call it "grunting?" It's not...) make watching the sport just intolerable to me. It's unsporting, too, IMO. The officials flip their shit if someone in the crowd is talking too loud during points, but allow the players to caterwaul like banshees on meth every time they hit the ball (precisely the point at which their opponent needs to concentrate hardest)? Ridiculous.

The men have started doing it, too...but I'll admit I'm willing to tolerate it if I get to look at Rafael Nadal.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
45. I saw a clip of Victoria Azarenka practicing
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jun 2015

No shrieking. None.

If she, or Maria, don't have to shriek at practice...they don't have to shriek during a match. They should be penalized.

Grunting is not the same as shrieking. And I think some of the newer technology on the court picks up some of those sounds that really do just naturally come out, when Stan hits a 97 mph backhand down the line.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
13. Jealousy of losers...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jun 2015

... is never ending. Social media provides them a megaphone. Always, ALWAYS, give them a smack-down in response!

hay rick

(7,617 posts)
14. Of course you can find racist crap if you look for it...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jun 2015

but I don't think it's representative of the vast majority of posts about Serena's victory on social media- which I expect are admiring and congratulatory. Regurgitating this kind of story serves no useful purpose that I can see. It hands the haters one more megaphone without imparting any new information to the rest of us.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
21. The internet has empowered these twerps
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

Were it not for them being able to make their stupid comments public, they'd be reduced to slurping their Big Lots expired Wheaties while reading of Williams' accomplishments and choking on their jealousy - this before they go off to flex their talents of baggin' groceries or cleaning toilets.

keroro gunsou

(2,223 posts)
35. it's the GIFT
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

otherwise known as the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. First given a name by the boys at Penny Arcade, it is a theory that seeks to illuminate why so many people seem to degenerate into antisocial Jerkasses online, when they might only be mildly unpleasant or even polite in-person.

The equation is "Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total Fuckwad"

This phenomenon has been studied in an academic setting, and by all accounts the satirical analysis is spot-on; normal people become more aggressive when they think their behavior carries no real-world social consequences. When people do not have to worry about getting in trouble with their loved ones, school, or place of employment, or getting into a direct physical altercation with anyone, they feel that they have nothing to lose by being shameless, insufferable jerks behind the veil of anonymity that is The Internet.


source - http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GIFT

Cha

(297,240 posts)
18. Fortunately it says everything about the sad little hater racists and nothing about Serena
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:54 AM
Jun 2015

Williams!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
19. Bingo! She's beautiful and talented. Those assholes can't take that away from her.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

And I don't even like sports.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
20. Eff the haters. She's a champion.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jun 2015

One of, if not the, greatest of all time. They're small compared to her, and they know it.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
27. I think Serena is a very beautiful individual
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)

I will marry her in a heartbeat if she will let me that is

Obviously people are going to carry some form of resentment toward her because she is a successful sports and business woman.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
28. Sports fandom in particular harbors insane ugliness.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jun 2015

Twitter seems to have rejuvenated some of the darkest corners of our culture.

I remember that guy a while back tweeting sexually threatening comments about some retired baseball player's (Curt Schilling?) daughter.

What struck me was not just that it was so overtly horrific and demeaning, but the sense that the guy didn't even think twice about it. Like he was hunched over his keyboard somewhere like that troll cartoon, drooling and waiting for a chance to come up with the most disturbing things to say to show how strong his sports partisanship was. Because Schilling played for the "enemy team" back in the day, apparently.

I lived across from the university baseball stadium for a while in school. Games were free, and it was two-minute walk away. I went over one day and watched part of the game, and people were sitting a few steps behind the batters, SCREAMING insults and taunts, nonstop, at the top of their lungs. Nasty stuff. They thought they were "helping" their team, I guess, and it was all you could hear in the relatively small and quiet stadium.

I know sports fandom can be healthy and fun, but there is a weird level of acceptance of absolutely despicable behavior that ought to go away sooner rather than later. People are clearly acting out scenes from their childhood, or fantasizing about some power they lack in the real world. You see these 50-yr-old lawyers with floor seats in the NBA, snarling epithets at players like they want to kill them.

"Fan" is short for "fanatic." Maybe no one should be a "fan" of anything. Support, cheer, encourage, sure.

But if people can't enjoy it without losing their goddamn minds to the point where racist gibberish or rape threats seem like a logical response, they need to find something else to do for fun.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
31. It's worse in Europe
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

People throwing bananas at black players during soccer matches is just another day on the pitch. The few times it has happened here (Someone threw a banana at Wayne Simmonds in Ottawa) it was met with rightful outrage.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
29. How come Serena Williams gets called a gorilla but Rhonda Rousey
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jun 2015

gets to be called a hottie?



In my opinion there is a huge case of cognitive dissonance among sports writers and media people who want to differentiate.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
32. No sportswriter or "media person" called Serena a gorilla
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jun 2015

This is the problem with an article like this. It is validating idiots on Twitter and Facebook as if they are someone with any standing in the world other than "internet racist idiot".

The other criticisms of actual sports media journalists, that somehow using the terms "crush" or "killed" is wrong, have all been used a dozen times to describe Rhonda's ability. And rightfully so.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
34. Thanks for clearing that up for me and you're right.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

Its beyond me why articles like this give trolls the time of day.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
39. One called her "an animal" and suggested she pose for National Geographic
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jun 2015

From the article:

In 2001, sportscaster Sid Rosenberg literally called Venus an "animal" and said she and Serena would fit better posing for National Geographic magazine than for Playboy.

That's pretty much in the same ballpark as gorilla, in my opinion.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
40. Sid Rosenberg is a Don Imus flunky
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jun 2015

He's not a sportscaster, but a morning shock jock who's been fired so many times for drug related incidents and saying idiotic shit I've lost count.

Calling him a sportscaster is akin to calling Rush Limbaugh a newscaster.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. He had a radio show talking about sports on WFAN
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

He is a sports media figure in NY if not a sportscaster. WFAN is a major sports radio station in NY.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
54. Yeah, he's practically Frank Deford, or Bob Costas.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:36 PM
Jun 2015

If Sid Rosenberg, a shock jock, is the best one can come up with as a "sportscaster" who has used racist terms to describe Serena, there's no there there.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
37. I've been a tennis fan for DECADES.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jun 2015

Today, my favorite player is Victoria Azarenka, but I've always loved Serena. In my opinion, she is the greatest WTA player of all time. One of my favorite photos ever in tennis was after the 2014 US Open when Serena tied Martina & Chris with 18 Slam Titles each and the 3 of them posed for a picture together!

BTW, I'm a white guy who is turning 60 next week.

PEACE!

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
42. This old white lady says...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jun 2015

Serena is the hands-down greatest female tennis professional player of all time. Of. All. Time.

She has everything these people should appreciate:

1. She is American.
2. She (and her sister) are consummate professionals.
3. She is respectful to fans and opponents.
4. She is a WINNER!

Yet, for them, something is missing. These people are such idiots, and statements such as the ones they made prove it over and over. As if a gorilla would play tennis with the power and grace of Serena Williams.

My sister in law tried to tell me once that Serena always "pulled the race card"* when she lost a match.
My response..."Well, I don't know how you would know that, since she never loses a match". My SIL's face turned so red, whoo, she was mad!

Forget them, Serena! There's plenty of people out here who love you!

And, ps...Congratulations on your 2015 French Open title, and for winning your 20th Grand Slam. I have enjoyed watching every single one from afar, and hope to see many more. I hope you are feeling better.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
48. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 06:58 AM
Jun 2015

And yet when I point out that she does not get her due from MSGreedia, others disagree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026789142

Let them hate - she has 20 grand slam trophies and that is painful to racists.

wolfie001

(2,240 posts)
51. These trolls are the same ones that worship......
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jun 2015

Cliven Bundy and Rush Limpballs. Disgusting pieces of shit. They need to be called out on social media.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
53. How much longer....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jun 2015

until this racial crap in our society is purged? Serena Williams is classy, beautiful and exciting to watch. Pro Tennis would not be half as enjoyable without her. Just my 2 cents.

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