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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:54 PM Jun 2015

DNC Member calls Bernie "Crazy" - Wow. Apologize now.

DNC Member calls Bernie "Crazy" - Wow. Apologize now.
Jun 05, 2015 4:51pm PDT by cdub24


Oh wow - I'm seriously mad as hell now.

From the article on USNEWS Is Hillary Ready for More Debates?

"Our candidates, with the exception of Bernie Sanders, aren't a bunch of crazy people. I don't worry about them saying something that would hurt the party brand." I think getting our ideas out there in the mainstream would benefit," says Boyd Brown, a Democratic National Committee member from South Carolina and an O'Malley supporter. "The more debate, the better."


Oh good Lord. Boyd Brown... What about Bernie's platform is crazy?

Is it crazy... to fight income equality?

Is it crazy... to have Wall St. and the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes?

Is it crazy... to stop companies shipping our jobs overseas?

Is it crazy... to want to rebuild roads and bridges to put people back to work?

Is it crazy... to want to break up the big banks?

Is it crazy... to want medicare for all?

Is it crazy... to expand social security benefits?

Is it crazy... to want to make public universities free?

Is it crazy... to want to make paid vacation time?

Is it crazy... to want to free universal pre-k?

Is it crazy... to fight climate change?

Is it crazy... to want to raise the minimum wage to $15?

Boyd Brown is an O'Malley supporter... and O'Malley must be freaking crazy too because his platform page supports most of those things as well.

It's ridiculous. Democrats need to be building each other up and not tearing each other down. Buying into the bull** that Bernie is crazy is absolutely pathetic and it is something that the DNC needs to retract RIGHT NOW.


more...

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/05/1391016/-DNC-calls-Bernie-Crazy-Wow-Apologize-now
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DNC Member calls Bernie "Crazy" - Wow. Apologize now. (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2015 OP
It's pretty clear that O'Malley's strategy at this point, KMOD Jun 2015 #1
that's crap to suggest this was in any way approved by O'Malley bigtree Jun 2015 #10
It probably wasn't O'Malley's decision, KMOD Jun 2015 #11
Brown isn't part of O'Malley's campaign bigtree Jun 2015 #16
That nicely maintains the distance required for Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #34
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #61
so every campaign is responsible for every yahoo who makes a statement bigtree Jun 2015 #62
Hubris? Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #74
"Every yahoo?" Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #76
if you want to play the game of blaming candidates for their supporters statements bigtree Jun 2015 #90
Yep and gets the meme out that Sanders is crazy. zeemike Jun 2015 #97
the 'meme' being spread here in this forum is that O'Malley had something to do with this bigtree Jun 2015 #122
Well I don't know that and no one does. zeemike Jun 2015 #129
Good try Egnever Jun 2015 #39
If negative campaigning didn't work, politicans wouldn't use it. It's usually KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #18
The last thing Bernie wants..... daleanime Jun 2015 #35
Bernie is on record (again and again) saying that he never has and never will run a negative ad. salib Jun 2015 #101
yet, Berrnie himself called Hillary and her husband 'hustlers' who don't care about hungry children bigtree Jun 2015 #123
yeah, no retrowire Jun 2015 #127
If that is an example of an "attack" then Hilliary is going to have nothing salib Jun 2015 #128
The guy who said it is in the tank for O'Malley. MADem Jun 2015 #50
Eh.. kenfrequed Jun 2015 #80
Each candidate will develop their own style and approach. MADem Jun 2015 #83
Heh kenfrequed Jun 2015 #115
+1. it sure is. cali Jun 2015 #59
Using surrogates is a tried and true method of keeping dirt off of the candidate. Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #117
It is bullshit to suggest this without any proof of it at all bigtree Jun 2015 #121
I have suggested that it is possible, nothing more. Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #132
BOLONEY! elleng Jun 2015 #86
Hillary Toast billhicks76 Jun 2015 #102
Well, this is an interesting tidbit thrown into the middle of the thread. Fawke Em Jun 2015 #124
O'Mally is not a Third Way politician. THIS is a Third Way sentiment, directed also at Eliabeth sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #107
anyone have his/their email? We need to bury them. I would look roguevalley Jun 2015 #125
He's a part of the problem. Establishment Turd Way Democrat, from a Republican state. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #2
Glad it wasn't an HRC supporter. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #3
it might work if it was kucinich but Sanders comes off far too kind and decent JI7 Jun 2015 #4
Cute Kucinich put down olddots Jun 2015 #106
What would be crazy, would be to ignore Bernie & vote against the 99%'s best interests nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #5
No, all of that crap you Liberals care about MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #6
Whenever someone says the "party brand" daredtowork Jun 2015 #7
They can put sugary sprinkles on a pile of shit and it will still be a giant turd (way) - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #19
It sounds so . . . . CORPORATE. HughBeaumont Jun 2015 #72
The Democratic Party has survived on undeserved "Brand Loyalty".... bvar22 Jun 2015 #110
be fair bigtree Jun 2015 #8
Really. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #26
Valid Points rpannier Jun 2015 #42
Let them say stupid stuff Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #9
O'Malley needs to get his act together. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #12
it wasn't O'Malley who said this bigtree Jun 2015 #15
Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #27
He's doing that, nicely. elleng Jun 2015 #87
I truly doubt cwydro Jun 2015 #13
Surprising to hear DNC member sound like a repuke PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #14
Brown's got to go. Will be sending an email to the DNC to that effect first KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #17
Yes, I am going to email them again. The last time they played their games I told them that I would jwirr Jun 2015 #38
Can you please share the email address to which you sent your message? Will save me a little KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #48
Did futher down but I just googled DNC and went to their site - at the bottom of the page they have jwirr Jun 2015 #52
Got it. Will take care of this first thing tomorrow a.m. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #53
They clearly don't care, but I also did not mince words. Thanks for being KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #65
Party Brand says it all KT2000 Jun 2015 #20
My thought, too deutsey Jun 2015 #79
I am amused... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #21
He's worried about "hurting the party brand". SoapBox Jun 2015 #22
"the brand?" kenfrequed Jun 2015 #81
Big mistake on the part of the DNC if this guy is speaking for them. They do need to apologie, but sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #23
They need to SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #29
I agree, but would be very surprised if it happens. However I think it needs to be addressed sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #31
"We're sorry if anyone misunderstood those remarks." n/t IDemo Jun 2015 #30
This is total BS on Brown's part. herding cats Jun 2015 #24
Google O'Malley's campaign - but I do not blame him. I emailed the DNC just now. Google DNC jwirr Jun 2015 #40
Thank you. herding cats Jun 2015 #45
Holy Cow... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #25
That's stupid.. better apologize right effin' now. Those who support different candidates and are Cha Jun 2015 #28
He needs to hear from EVERYONE, O'Malley's supporters, Hillary's supporters Bernie's supporters. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #32
To the DNC, Sanders is crazy... thesquanderer Jun 2015 #33
DNC Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #36
LOL jwirr Jun 2015 #44
He is clearly a Third Way 'democrat'. The Third Way has made no secret of how they feel about sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #37
DNC is short for do nothing congress in my house. mahina Jun 2015 #41
SLAM his ass on Twitter: Triana Jun 2015 #43
Won't let me tweet to him. He's probably got his account blocked off, I'm KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #49
I just tweeted to him every "Is it crazy..." sentence in the OP Triana Jun 2015 #55
Hmm. I'm not much of a Tweeter. I got some message at the top of my screen that it looked like KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #57
Didn't see anything on Bernie but Brown has been talking about Hillary. jwirr Jun 2015 #51
Puhleese. Not another "c" word controvery. I just can't take another one. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #46
He should be kicked off the O'Malley campaign and O'Malley needs to apologize to Bernie personally. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #47
he's not part of the O'Malley campaign bigtree Jun 2015 #64
Bernie is the sanest of the bunch. JEB Jun 2015 #54
Sad but not surprising AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #56
We'll see who's crazy later. historylovr Jun 2015 #58
For me, the party brand is starting to smell a little past the sell-by date. djean111 Jun 2015 #60
K&R LiberalElite Jun 2015 #63
If Bernie is crazy there are going to be a whole lot of voters in the asylum with him. Vinca Jun 2015 #66
Sounds like the establishment is getting worried - TBF Jun 2015 #67
Running around requesting apologies isn't a winning strategy. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #68
Said DNC Member's twitter account, let him know how you feel about his comments krawhitham Jun 2015 #69
His twitter account is all about golfing . . . Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #99
The establishment is afraid of Bernie & that includes establishment dems. -nt CrispyQ Jun 2015 #70
K n R mylye2222 Jun 2015 #71
Shocking! Next thing you know I'll find out he has more stock in Wall St. than Main St. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #73
Well, Mr. DNC guy, I think it's crazy JEB Jun 2015 #75
I've got to agree - O'Malley supports these things JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #77
DNC <- "Do not call" CentralMass Jun 2015 #78
Classless Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #82
All about that "party brand" Roland99 Jun 2015 #84
I guess it's crazy to speak for the 99% in America. nt valerief Jun 2015 #85
The corporate Democratic party brand. That's what it's become. What a fucking train wreck! L0oniX Jun 2015 #88
Name-calling is ALL THEY HAVE! arcane1 Jun 2015 #89
Fire him. malthaussen Jun 2015 #91
thank you heaven05 Jun 2015 #92
This is what happens when we elect self-described Democrats who have no clue Zorra Jun 2015 #93
+1 DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #108
What does c stand for in dnc? Craziness? JEB Jun 2015 #94
corporation. nt LWolf Jun 2015 #131
The really disgusting "c" word. JEB Jun 2015 #133
Oh, he's just passin' gas, like MSM's "fringe candidate" Narrative©. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #95
Bernie is on his own. And he knew it going in SmittynMo Jun 2015 #96
They want to label Bernie as 'radical' because... immoderate Jun 2015 #100
Contact info: Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #98
I'm sure the DNC will get a lot of donations from the Bern people if Hillary wins the primary.... L0oniX Jun 2015 #103
I this is why any money I have to spare to donate to campaigns Cleita Jun 2015 #104
I find it odd that Brown would say so. Some of his famous speech could easily be from Bernie. Ford_Prefect Jun 2015 #105
Fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz NOW!!! INdemo Jun 2015 #109
it is something that the DNC needs to retract RIGHT NOW passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #111
Bernie believes it all can be done mikehiggins Jun 2015 #112
Here in Santa Fe mikehiggins Jun 2015 #113
Ah the DLC/DNC...same shit, different day. OF COURSE they rage on Sanders Rex Jun 2015 #114
Bernie is crazy TNNurse Jun 2015 #116
You might want to make an edit to your OP DFW Jun 2015 #118
yes, some of those things are crazy hfojvt Jun 2015 #119
Crazy is Boyd Brown. Step down Boyd. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #120
Boyd Brown sounds like one of those "business as usual" Democrats Warpy Jun 2015 #126
Crazy? Fuck yeah. What's wrong with that? Alkene Jun 2015 #130
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
1. It's pretty clear that O'Malley's strategy at this point,
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

it to hit all candidates hard, in hopes that it raises his poll numbers.

It's not my cup of tea, but it is a tried and true strategy. Chafee is doing the same.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
10. that's crap to suggest this was in any way approved by O'Malley
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jun 2015

...it's as bullshit politics to suggest so as this person's statement.

Should I claim the DNC, which has been in the bag for Hillary, is pushing this as a strategy?

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
11. It probably wasn't O'Malley's decision,
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jun 2015

but there is not doubt that his campaign is hitting other candidates.

I like Martin O'Malley, but I have seen a few negative comments coming from him so far. I get it though, because it's politics.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
16. Brown isn't part of O'Malley's campaign
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015

...he's just some former legislator from SC mouthing off.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
62. so every campaign is responsible for every yahoo who makes a statement
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:54 AM
Jun 2015

...acting like this is part of O'Malley's campaign is political hubris.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
76. "Every yahoo?"
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jun 2015

The guy is pretty prominent in SC politics, a local superstar, sorta.

The sort of person who, if he is a supporter and you don't like what he says, you go to & ask him to amend his statement.

We'll see if that happens. If O'Malley lets it stand, he stands for it.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
H. Boyd Brown (born October 27, 1986) is a former Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives from Fairfield County, South Carolina.

Bio[edit]
Brown graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2007, with a degree in Political Science. While in college, Brown was a member of the Kappa Alpha Order. Brown attends Sion Presbyterian Church in Winnsboro.
Brown comes from a family of politicians. He was a third generation member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, and is the grandson of Walter B. Brown. His father David was one of the longest serving County Councilmen in the State of South Carolina, and served multiple terms as Chairman of Fairfield County Council. His uncle, Judge Walter Boyd "B" Brown, Jr. was a Family Court Judge until the time of his death, and his great-grandfather, Boyd Brown, was a member of the South Carolina House of Representatives from Fairfield County, and served as Chairman of the House Labor and Commerce Committee (now LCI). Brown's older brother Russ Brown currently serves on Town Council in Ridgeway, South Carolina.
2008 Election[edit]
In 2008, Brown defeated incumbent Fairfield County School Board member Annie McDaniel with 54% in the Democratic Primary, and cruised to election in November, defeating his Republican challenger Sean Schaeffner with 81% of the electorate. At the time of his election, he was the youngest elected state lawmaker in the United States.
2010 Re-election[edit]
Brown's seat was up for re-election in 2010. He defeated Democratic primary rival and Fairfield County Councilman Kamau Marcharia to win the Democratic nomination. No one else ran in the race. Brown defeated Marcharia in the primary battle and went on to win an uncontested election in November 2010.[1]
Retirement from S.C. House of Representatives[edit]
A week after delivering a critical response to Governor Haley's 2012 State of the State address on a local NBC affiliate, Brown surprised many by announcing that he would not seek a third term in the South Carolina General Assembly. Wanting to start a successful career in the private sector, Brown issued a press release announcing his departure from the South Carolina House of Representatives. In a farewell address in June 2012, Brown talked about the issues important to his generation. The speech garnered national attention, with The Washington Post referring to him as "The Voice of a Generation."

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
90. if you want to play the game of blaming candidates for their supporters statements
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015

...have at it.

I think it's a low political tactic and pure bullshit, but it's not something ANY candidate is immune from. You insinuated that this fellow was encouraged, recruited, or otherwise acting in coordination with O'Malley in his comments. That's bullshit, as well, without any proof.

And, yes, I regard this fellow as a yahoo, considering his comment, looking for attention; or, perhaps some kind of hurrah from his fellow conservadems in SC. Get back to me if and when O'Malley (or anyone actually associated with his campaign team) says anything of the kind.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
122. the 'meme' being spread here in this forum is that O'Malley had something to do with this
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jun 2015

..proof of that, beyond the word of zeemike or others here?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
129. Well I don't know that and no one does.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:41 PM
Jun 2015

How the hell would we?...unless we are in that smoke filled room.

The meme is also being spread that no conspiracy has ever been done and all of them never conspire to do anything and to think so makes you a CTer.
What perfect cover if one actually did conspire to do dirty tricks.

You will never have proof of it so give up asking for it...but we have been fooled and manipulated so offten we doubt any of it is real...and don't blame us for that.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
18. If negative campaigning didn't work, politicans wouldn't use it. It's usually
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jun 2015

a tactic used by those trailing in the polls.

Sanders should go nuclear and make 2016 a referendum on Hillary's 2002 Iraq War vote.

salib

(2,116 posts)
101. Bernie is on record (again and again) saying that he never has and never will run a negative ad.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jun 2015

That goes for his speeches and comments, as well.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
123. yet, Berrnie himself called Hillary and her husband 'hustlers' who don't care about hungry children
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jun 2015

Democratic presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders suggested Tuesday that his only competition as of yet, Hillary Clinton, hustles so much money that she is probably unable to understand the plight of the middle class American voter.

"When you hustle money like that, you don't sit in restaurants like this," the independent Vermont senator told CNBC's John Harwood as they sat at a Capitol Hill bistro. "You sit in restaurants where you're spending -- I don't know what they spend -- hundreds of dollars for dinner and so forth."

"That's the world that you're accustomed to, and that's the world view that you adopt. You're not worrying about a kid three blocks away from here whose mom can't afford to feed him," Sanders said.


http://www.hngn.com/articles/95462/20150526/bernie-sanders-says-hillary-clintons-money-hustling-isolates-her-from-reality.htm

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
127. yeah, no
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:17 PM
Jun 2015

There's a difference between insulting someone and just using a word to describe what they're doing.

He didn't call anyone a hustler. Hustling in and of itself does not automatically make one a hustler.

salib

(2,116 posts)
128. If that is an example of an "attack" then Hilliary is going to have nothing
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:32 PM
Jun 2015

To complain about from Bernie, unless that complaint is that he is running a brilliant issue oriented campaign that won fair and square.

Come on. That example is solid and not an attack at all.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. The guy who said it is in the tank for O'Malley.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:03 AM
Jun 2015

MOM should ask him to retract if he's not playing a 'go negative by proxy' game. We'll see if that happens.

It's a tactic. Politics can be tough at times. Elbows get thrown. It's not an adventure for the faint of heart or easily cowed. And people DO use 'seconds' to do their dirty work for them.

Count on all candidates getting called more names, not fewer, as the season progresses. The only one with experience at being crapped upon, relentlessly, unfairly, and viciously, is Clinton. The others are going to have to toughen up as the season progresses.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
80. Eh..
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie handles it the best.

The reporters try to goad him into playing that game and he burns right into talking about his policy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
83. Each candidate will develop their own style and approach.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jun 2015

Sanders takes a page or two from Barney Frank's debate style, which was, and still is, very impressive and incisive.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
115. Heh
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jun 2015

They both probably borrowed from someone who believed in talking directly and plainly. There is definitely a similarity in cadence though Sanders is a bit more strident in positioning and possibly a bit less playful but I kind of like him all serious and policy driven.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
117. Using surrogates is a tried and true method of keeping dirt off of the candidate.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

It's not bullshit to suggest, though he could be acting on his own. Usually the higher up the food chain the surrogate, the more likely it was strategy. It's chickenshit, but it is the norm, except in Bernie's camp. If it happens in Bernie's camp he would fire them if able, or denounce them if not.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
121. It is bullshit to suggest this without any proof of it at all
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jun 2015

...especially in this forum, it's well in line to suggest it's a bullshit accusation without proof.

Where you stray into the deep end of the cesspool here is your false assertion that this man is in any way part of the O'Malley campaign team. He is not. He's, in fact, described here as a DNC official.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
132. I have suggested that it is possible, nothing more.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jun 2015

Neither of us know for sure, I am merely pointing out that it is a common tactic. I believe you are over-reacting to my comment. It is a long race and this is not something to get that upset about either way.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
124. Well, this is an interesting tidbit thrown into the middle of the thread.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jun 2015

I can only hope this guy's analysis is correct.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
107. O'Mally is not a Third Way politician. THIS is a Third Way sentiment, directed also at Eliabeth
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

Warren. The pattern of this think thank's personnel is abundantly clear, they have made it clear. Which is why their candidates of choice are being rejected by the voters, see the two last midterms, and will continue to be rejected and replaced wherever possible with actual progressive Democrats, as has been done now, starting at the local and state level.

The Dem Party is OUR party, not the party of a bunch of Wall St Investors, which is what the Third Way is.

Thankfully the problem with our party has been identified and is being addressed now by voters across the country.

This guy needs to be removed instantly from his position.

Shades of Rahm, another Third Way 'democrat' who has little use for progressives, which is too bad because we're here and we're not going anywhere.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
125. anyone have his/their email? We need to bury them. I would look
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jun 2015

but I'm walking the dogs with my phone. If I get it I will post it at home.

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
2. He's a part of the problem. Establishment Turd Way Democrat, from a Republican state.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jun 2015

Seeing that he's a former state Rep.. wanting to start a career in the private sector... wonder what he is doing?

Odds are excellent he's an lobbyist of some sort.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
4. it might work if it was kucinich but Sanders comes off far too kind and decent
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jun 2015

and intelligent to be viewed as crazy.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
6. No, all of that crap you Liberals care about
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jun 2015

is totally important, and we love Elizabeth Warren.

In fact, Bernie isn't far enough to the left, but now we are.

Regards,

TWM

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
7. Whenever someone says the "party brand"
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jun 2015

I cringe.

Doesn't that make it sound like DNC is trying to sell us a bill of goods?

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
72. It sounds so . . . . CORPORATE.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jun 2015

We should be a cut above and not hitch our wagon to that other party's nonsense.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
110. The Democratic Party has survived on undeserved "Brand Loyalty"....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jun 2015

...since Bill Clinton passed NAFTA.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
8. be fair
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jun 2015

...opening up on O'Malley for this is bull.

Pretending this is his doing or opinion, as the author of this suggests, is equally crap. It should be worth noting that O'Malley supports and has been advocating for ALL of the bullet points above.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
26. Really.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah, the guy quoted is an "O'Malley supporter." Yeah, he's an idiot, or at least made an idiotic remark. Not mutually exclusive.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
42. Valid Points
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

He's not a member of O' Malley's staff or campaign so what he says is his own opinion
Almost every serious campaign has one or two big mouthed crazies that try and attach themselves to it

TBH: I could run out and claim to be a Clinton supporter and say really stupid things. It'd be a lie. I am not supporting her in the primary.

People talk. People say stupid things. Some people say them and are actually part of a campaign. Others merely claim to be partnered.
He's seems to be the latter

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
15. it wasn't O'Malley who said this
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jun 2015

...Brown isn't an O'Malley campaign official. Calling himself a 'supporter' doesn't make him one.

Is Sanders responsible for everything his 'supporters' say?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
17. Brown's got to go. Will be sending an email to the DNC to that effect first
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jun 2015

thing tomorrow.

Resign now and save us the drama, Boyd.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
38. Yes, I am going to email them again. The last time they played their games I told them that I would
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:29 AM
Jun 2015

not be supporting any of their efforts to collect money - that I would donate to individuals. Given how little money I have that probably did not worry them but much but if we all let them know how unhappy we are about their interference in this primary then something might be done. It is worth a try.

Done - and I was angry enough that I did not mince words.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
48. Can you please share the email address to which you sent your message? Will save me a little
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jun 2015

time, if you have it handy.

Thanks in advance.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
52. Did futher down but I just googled DNC and went to their site - at the bottom of the page they have
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jun 2015

a contact us link.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
79. My thought, too
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

That's the problem...people like this person are more concerned about "the brand" (and their own self interest) than fighting politically for the interests of working people.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
21. I am amused...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jun 2015

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Mahatma Gandhi

I don't care what O'Malley supporters do. In fact if he takes a credible lead over Hillary I will support him. I am on board for Bernie 2016 #feel the Bern. I don't care what Hillary supporters do either she will only get my in name only support if she gets the nomination.


kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
81. "the brand?"
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

He needs to be out the damned door. Now.

Ignoring the working class and poor and taking money from Wall Street do actual damage to the party in the eyes of the voters.

The only people worried about the damage Berniew will do to the party "brand" are the very wealthy Wall Street bastards that are trying to "Buy" the brand.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. Big mistake on the part of the DNC if this guy is speaking for them. They do need to apologie, but
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jun 2015

to be honest, I wouldn't count on it.

This is going to hurt Hillary more than Bernie.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
31. I agree, but would be very surprised if it happens. However I think it needs to be addressed
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015

in a way that they cannot ignore the request for an apology. Publicly, perhaps by Bernie's campaign, or by his supporters.

I would expect Hillary's supporters also to denounce this.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
24. This is total BS on Brown's part.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jun 2015

I hope he get's taken to the mat by O'Malley's campaign. Anyone know who I should send an email to in an attempt to hurry that along?

We (Democrats) should not be engaging in this sort of baseless negative political BS in the primaries. I don't give a damn if it's psychology effective with some people, I still find it disgusting and unnecessary!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
40. Google O'Malley's campaign - but I do not blame him. I emailed the DNC just now. Google DNC
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jun 2015

and when you get in go to the bottom of the page and there is a contact us link.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
25. Holy Cow...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jun 2015

You seriously have to wonder where a decision to make that statement comes from.

Agreed…. retract it (not holding breath).

Cha

(297,275 posts)
28. That's stupid.. better apologize right effin' now. Those who support different candidates and are
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jun 2015

saying stupid, mean, ugly, things better know they are not showing your own candidate in a good light. you're hurting them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. He needs to hear from EVERYONE, O'Malley's supporters, Hillary's supporters Bernie's supporters.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jun 2015

Is there a way to get his email, twitter account? I will post this now on my twitter account and ask that someone set up a petition to get a PUBLIC APOLOGY for this.

This is Rahm all over again.

He needs to GO!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
37. He is clearly a Third Way 'democrat'. The Third Way has made no secret of how they feel about
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jun 2015

Elizabeth Warren so it should be no surprise that this moron would feel the same way about Sanders.

mahina

(17,663 posts)
41. DNC is short for do nothing congress in my house.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

Also, Do Not Contribute.

My $ goes right to the candidates- Bernie and Feingold.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
49. Won't let me tweet to him. He's probably got his account blocked off, I'm
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jun 2015

guessing. Typical DNC pussy. Can dish it out but can't take it.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
55. I just tweeted to him every "Is it crazy..." sentence in the OP
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jun 2015

The jackass needs to APOLOGIZE.

It's SLEEZY AS HELL that the DNC fundraises off of Bernie's candidacy yet allows jackasses like H. Boyd Brown to call him "crazy" <-- and I tweeted THAT, too, to @HBoydBrown and @TheDemocrats.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
57. Hmm. I'm not much of a Tweeter. I got some message at the top of my screen that it looked like
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:11 AM
Jun 2015

I was trying to send some automated message and to 'try again later". I was trying to tweet directly to him using the button on the left-hand rail.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
46. Puhleese. Not another "c" word controvery. I just can't take another one.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jun 2015

Crazy -- a word that represents a totally subjective opinion in this context. It's nothing to worry about. It reflects more on Brown than on anyone else.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
64. he's not part of the O'Malley campaign
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:02 AM
Jun 2015

...and O'Malley doesn't need to apologize for every jackass statement made by those who say they support his campaign.

I believe he's referred to as a member of the DNC, though. Crickets on calls for them to apologize.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
54. Bernie is the sanest of the bunch.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jun 2015

Taking a play from Rove to attack a person's strengths. An attack like that is advertising his own fear and weakness. Bernie has them in a panic.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
60. For me, the party brand is starting to smell a little past the sell-by date.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:19 AM
Jun 2015

What this guy has done is to perfectly illustrate that to me. Like Bernie makes it clear that the "party brand" has been oozing to the right for some time now, and that what used to be considered Democratic Party values is now just considered radical.
I am starting to see no choice but to not vote for any of these "new Democrats". Not my party.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
66. If Bernie is crazy there are going to be a whole lot of voters in the asylum with him.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:38 AM
Jun 2015

O'Malley's crew should have enough decency to stick to Bernie's crazy standards: talk about the issues, no negative campaigning.

TBF

(32,063 posts)
67. Sounds like the establishment is getting worried -
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jun 2015

and they should be. We aren't thrilled with their corporate candidates and we're not voting for them. We have our own candidate - Bernie Sanders - who actually gives a damn about people (as evidenced by his 20+ years of work in Congress on behalf of the 99% - as opposed to the records of the corporate candidates who only care about whomever is funding their campaign).

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
68. Running around requesting apologies isn't a winning strategy.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:05 AM
Jun 2015

Seriously, he is running for President. If Hillary requested apologies for every sexist comment made by someone with a D after their name she would run out of time to campaign. Sanders and Clinton are owed nothing. They are well off politicians applying for a job. Not doing favors where any slight requires an apology. The thought process of owing apologies to politicians it seriously authoritarian and strange to say the least.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
73. Shocking! Next thing you know I'll find out he has more stock in Wall St. than Main St.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jun 2015

To those people, yes, those are all crazy.
Or at the very least, worth investing in, profiting from and laboring against.
One persons crazy is another persons Shangri-La.
One investors junk is another protectors treasure.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
77. I've got to agree - O'Malley supports these things
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

And has a stellar record on quite a few of them in terms of getting solid policy and subsequent action as a Governor.

There's nothing crazy about a stellar environmental record, wanting green focused infrastructure development and being disgusted with the off shoring of American jobs.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
88. The corporate Democratic party brand. That's what it's become. What a fucking train wreck!
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jun 2015

Will the real Democratic party please stand up? Ooops ...I'm searching among the pile of spines in a grave yard.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
92. thank you
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jun 2015

for a rebuttal of the wasserman/DNC line we'll be hearing until the primary(s), among others, I imagine.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
96. Bernie is on his own. And he knew it going in
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

NO ONE can compare to Bernie. And you should be mad as hell. I am too.

Bernie is the REAL thing. And no one can hold a candle up to him. We need to get the idiot plutocrats out of Washington and get our country back. I have great fear if he is not elected, as the 1% will have then bought our country. Be ready for no universal health care, cuts in Medicare and Social Security and keeping the minimum wage low. Want to work until you're 70? Ready for your monthly voucher? We are in for a total disaster if he's not elected. I feel so sorry for our children and grandchildren if anyone else wins.

The good news is within a month, Bernie's numbers have skyrocketed. People are listening.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
100. They want to label Bernie as 'radical' because...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jun 2015

[font size=+1]He reflects the wishes of the American public![/font]

--imm

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
103. I'm sure the DNC will get a lot of donations from the Bern people if Hillary wins the primary....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015

NOT !

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
104. I this is why any money I have to spare to donate to campaigns
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jun 2015

goes directly to the candidate and not these organizations, like the DNC.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
105. I find it odd that Brown would say so. Some of his famous speech could easily be from Bernie.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/boyd-brown-a-voice-of-a-generation-out-of-south-carolina/2012/06/08/gJQAE6svNV_blog.html

My generation acknowledges science and we want to protect our planet. We understand the importance of our natural heritage in this state, and what responsibilities come with that heritage. Visit the ACE Basin*, and then try to convince me we don’t have an obligation to protect our natural resources.

My generation doesn’t think you improve the lives of the working South Carolinian by lowering the taxes of the corporations that fund your political endeavors; you do so by finding ways to lower the personal income tax and improve their lot in life.

My generation finds it disgraceful to confine a child born to a broken home in Winnsboro or Kingstree, Allendale or Dillon, to a life without opportunity. Instead, we want the classroom to be a place where that child can escape from the shadows of despair and find refuge in an entirely new world, rich with opportunity.

My generation understands you don’t fix roads by naming them after Andre Bauer and other politicians, and you don’t fund infrastructure by changing the composition of the DOT Board. President Clinton reminded us, “There is no evidence that we can succeed in this century with an antigovernment strategy, with a philosophy grounded in ‘You’re on your own’ rather than ‘We’re all in this together.” We must invest in better roads, stronger bridges and updated water and sewer lines.

My generation does not hate gay people. We don’t hate any people, we simply believe all Americans, here in this state and across our country, should be able to live their lives as they see fit.

My generation is not caught up in black versus white. We must break out of this out-dated prism of looking at one another through the spectacles of the past. We want to celebrate equality and opportunity in South Carolina, not the bigotry that has defined our state for too long.

This is my generation…

My generation does not fear the future. My generation is not afraid of progress; we’re not afraid of globalism and an interdependent world. My generation, we welcome change.

And, ladies and gentlemen, as a word of caution to you, my generation is sprinting this way.


*footnote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACE_Basin

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edit: Just posted my complaint to the DNC:

"H. Boyd Brown's remarks about Senator Sanders are insulting and require an apology. I cannot imagine donating campaign funds to an outfit that referred to a fellow Democrat in such demeaning terms."

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INdemo

(6,994 posts)
109. Fire Debbie Wasserman Schultz NOW!!!
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jun 2015

She should have been fired Nov 2014
Any Chairperson that would allow former Republicans and Republicans to run a State Democratic Party Organization (Florida) should be fired
The DNC Chair is nothing more than a Republican lite. She is a Rahm Emmanuel with Boobs.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
112. Bernie believes it all can be done
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

THAT is why the GOPukes and 3rdWayers think he's crazy.

I'd rather be crazy like that than useless like they are.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
113. Here in Santa Fe
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jun 2015

there was a similar op-ed also putting down those folks who foolishly think the DNC actually represents the Democratic Party. It was written, I think, by a Dino Congressman from Maryland and was, IMHO, frankly offensive. He even pointed out how the Social Security System was somehow involved in the deficit, a pov even Reagan didn't buy into publicly. It was almost embarrassing to read.

However, we can expect to see much more of this in the coming campaign. These people may be a lot of things but they are not stupid. They know better than most how to attack and denigrate the "opposition" whether that be GOPukes or New Deal Democrats.

It would be suicidal to let them succeed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
114. Ah the DLC/DNC...same shit, different day. OF COURSE they rage on Sanders
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

he is an outside threat. I expect NOTHING from the DNC...some of them are so delusional in their D.C. bubble, that their arrogance is only matched by their ego.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
116. Bernie is crazy
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

Crazy good, crazy honest, crazy brave....Hell, he is crazy democratic. He actually understands the concept .

DFW

(54,403 posts)
118. You might want to make an edit to your OP
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

"Is it crazy... to fight income equality? "

Yes, it certainly is.

What needs to be addressed is income INEQUALITY.

(Just a heads-up, as Republican trolls love to cut and paste off of here, from what I hear).

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
119. yes, some of those things are crazy
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jun 2015

a $15 minimum wage?

Yeah, that's pretty crazy. When was the last time the minimum wage has been doubled? How reasonable (or sane) is it to suggest doubling it now?

Even if you think it is reasonable, how many American voters agree? Remember these are the same American voters who have packed the House, the Senate, state legislatures and Governor's offices with people who are suggesting the opposite - abolishing the national minimum wage.

Public universities free? Again, pretty crazy. First of all nothing is free, the taxpayers will have to pay for it - the voters. You know, the same voters who have been electing Republicans to legislatures who have been voting to cut funding for Universities and forcing tuition to go up.

Medicare for all? Does the public think that is reasonable? After Obamacare was passed did they elect a bunch of Democrats to Congress in order to demand Medicare for all? Or did they elect a bunch of Republicans to demolish the "government takeover of healthcare"?

If your ideas get out there far enough, then the label of crazy really does fit.

Raising the minimum wage is not crazy, calling for $15 an hour kinda is. If not, where would you draw the line? Is a $100 minimum wage sane? Yes? What about $50? Still yes? (Note, if you are saying "No", right now then we are probably done trying to reason with each other).

My point is that clearly there is a line (somewhere) where a reasonable idea, like raising the minimum wage, or making college more affordable, becomes a crazy one.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
126. Boyd Brown sounds like one of those "business as usual" Democrats
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jun 2015

who won't catch a clue while his cash flow is positive.

To hell with him.

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