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DNC Member calls Bernie "Crazy" - Wow. Apologize now.
Jun 05, 2015 4:51pm PDT by cdub24
Oh wow - I'm seriously mad as hell now.
From the article on USNEWS Is Hillary Ready for More Debates?
Oh good Lord. Boyd Brown... What about Bernie's platform is crazy?
Is it crazy... to fight income equality?
Is it crazy... to have Wall St. and the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes?
Is it crazy... to stop companies shipping our jobs overseas?
Is it crazy... to want to rebuild roads and bridges to put people back to work?
Is it crazy... to want to break up the big banks?
Is it crazy... to want medicare for all?
Is it crazy... to expand social security benefits?
Is it crazy... to want to make public universities free?
Is it crazy... to want to make paid vacation time?
Is it crazy... to want to free universal pre-k?
Is it crazy... to fight climate change?
Is it crazy... to want to raise the minimum wage to $15?
Boyd Brown is an O'Malley supporter... and O'Malley must be freaking crazy too because his platform page supports most of those things as well.
It's ridiculous. Democrats need to be building each other up and not tearing each other down. Buying into the bull** that Bernie is crazy is absolutely pathetic and it is something that the DNC needs to retract RIGHT NOW.
more...
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/05/1391016/-DNC-calls-Bernie-Crazy-Wow-Apologize-now
KMOD
(7,906 posts)it to hit all candidates hard, in hopes that it raises his poll numbers.
It's not my cup of tea, but it is a tried and true strategy. Chafee is doing the same.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...it's as bullshit politics to suggest so as this person's statement.
Should I claim the DNC, which has been in the bag for Hillary, is pushing this as a strategy?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)but there is not doubt that his campaign is hitting other candidates.
I like Martin O'Malley, but I have seen a few negative comments coming from him so far. I get it though, because it's politics.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...he's just some former legislator from SC mouthing off.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)plausible deniability.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...acting like this is part of O'Malley's campaign is political hubris.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)It may be unfair or incorrect, but hubris?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The guy is pretty prominent in SC politics, a local superstar, sorta.
The sort of person who, if he is a supporter and you don't like what he says, you go to & ask him to amend his statement.
We'll see if that happens. If O'Malley lets it stand, he stands for it.
H. Boyd Brown (born October 27, 1986) is a former Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives from Fairfield County, South Carolina.
Bio[edit]
Brown graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2007, with a degree in Political Science. While in college, Brown was a member of the Kappa Alpha Order. Brown attends Sion Presbyterian Church in Winnsboro.
Brown comes from a family of politicians. He was a third generation member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, and is the grandson of Walter B. Brown. His father David was one of the longest serving County Councilmen in the State of South Carolina, and served multiple terms as Chairman of Fairfield County Council. His uncle, Judge Walter Boyd "B" Brown, Jr. was a Family Court Judge until the time of his death, and his great-grandfather, Boyd Brown, was a member of the South Carolina House of Representatives from Fairfield County, and served as Chairman of the House Labor and Commerce Committee (now LCI). Brown's older brother Russ Brown currently serves on Town Council in Ridgeway, South Carolina.
2008 Election[edit]
In 2008, Brown defeated incumbent Fairfield County School Board member Annie McDaniel with 54% in the Democratic Primary, and cruised to election in November, defeating his Republican challenger Sean Schaeffner with 81% of the electorate. At the time of his election, he was the youngest elected state lawmaker in the United States.
2010 Re-election[edit]
Brown's seat was up for re-election in 2010. He defeated Democratic primary rival and Fairfield County Councilman Kamau Marcharia to win the Democratic nomination. No one else ran in the race. Brown defeated Marcharia in the primary battle and went on to win an uncontested election in November 2010.[1]
Retirement from S.C. House of Representatives[edit]
A week after delivering a critical response to Governor Haley's 2012 State of the State address on a local NBC affiliate, Brown surprised many by announcing that he would not seek a third term in the South Carolina General Assembly. Wanting to start a successful career in the private sector, Brown issued a press release announcing his departure from the South Carolina House of Representatives. In a farewell address in June 2012, Brown talked about the issues important to his generation. The speech garnered national attention, with The Washington Post referring to him as "The Voice of a Generation."
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...have at it.
I think it's a low political tactic and pure bullshit, but it's not something ANY candidate is immune from. You insinuated that this fellow was encouraged, recruited, or otherwise acting in coordination with O'Malley in his comments. That's bullshit, as well, without any proof.
And, yes, I regard this fellow as a yahoo, considering his comment, looking for attention; or, perhaps some kind of hurrah from his fellow conservadems in SC. Get back to me if and when O'Malley (or anyone actually associated with his campaign team) says anything of the kind.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Which will now become a question in the press.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)..proof of that, beyond the word of zeemike or others here?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)How the hell would we?...unless we are in that smoke filled room.
The meme is also being spread that no conspiracy has ever been done and all of them never conspire to do anything and to think so makes you a CTer.
What perfect cover if one actually did conspire to do dirty tricks.
You will never have proof of it so give up asking for it...but we have been fooled and manipulated so offten we doubt any of it is real...and don't blame us for that.
The tin foil hat brigade wont be having it though.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)a tactic used by those trailing in the polls.
Sanders should go nuclear and make 2016 a referendum on Hillary's 2002 Iraq War vote.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)is to be a 'normal' candidate.
salib
(2,116 posts)That goes for his speeches and comments, as well.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Democratic presidential contender Sen. Bernie Sanders suggested Tuesday that his only competition as of yet, Hillary Clinton, hustles so much money that she is probably unable to understand the plight of the middle class American voter.
"When you hustle money like that, you don't sit in restaurants like this," the independent Vermont senator told CNBC's John Harwood as they sat at a Capitol Hill bistro. "You sit in restaurants where you're spending -- I don't know what they spend -- hundreds of dollars for dinner and so forth."
"That's the world that you're accustomed to, and that's the world view that you adopt. You're not worrying about a kid three blocks away from here whose mom can't afford to feed him," Sanders said.
http://www.hngn.com/articles/95462/20150526/bernie-sanders-says-hillary-clintons-money-hustling-isolates-her-from-reality.htm
retrowire
(10,345 posts)There's a difference between insulting someone and just using a word to describe what they're doing.
He didn't call anyone a hustler. Hustling in and of itself does not automatically make one a hustler.
salib
(2,116 posts)To complain about from Bernie, unless that complaint is that he is running a brilliant issue oriented campaign that won fair and square.
Come on. That example is solid and not an attack at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MOM should ask him to retract if he's not playing a 'go negative by proxy' game. We'll see if that happens.
It's a tactic. Politics can be tough at times. Elbows get thrown. It's not an adventure for the faint of heart or easily cowed. And people DO use 'seconds' to do their dirty work for them.
Count on all candidates getting called more names, not fewer, as the season progresses. The only one with experience at being crapped upon, relentlessly, unfairly, and viciously, is Clinton. The others are going to have to toughen up as the season progresses.
Bernie handles it the best.
The reporters try to goad him into playing that game and he burns right into talking about his policy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sanders takes a page or two from Barney Frank's debate style, which was, and still is, very impressive and incisive.
They both probably borrowed from someone who believed in talking directly and plainly. There is definitely a similarity in cadence though Sanders is a bit more strident in positioning and possibly a bit less playful but I kind of like him all serious and policy driven.
cali
(114,904 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)It's not bullshit to suggest, though he could be acting on his own. Usually the higher up the food chain the surrogate, the more likely it was strategy. It's chickenshit, but it is the norm, except in Bernie's camp. If it happens in Bernie's camp he would fire them if able, or denounce them if not.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...especially in this forum, it's well in line to suggest it's a bullshit accusation without proof.
Where you stray into the deep end of the cesspool here is your false assertion that this man is in any way part of the O'Malley campaign team. He is not. He's, in fact, described here as a DNC official.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Neither of us know for sure, I am merely pointing out that it is a common tactic. I believe you are over-reacting to my comment. It is a long race and this is not something to get that upset about either way.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I can only hope this guy's analysis is correct.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Warren. The pattern of this think thank's personnel is abundantly clear, they have made it clear. Which is why their candidates of choice are being rejected by the voters, see the two last midterms, and will continue to be rejected and replaced wherever possible with actual progressive Democrats, as has been done now, starting at the local and state level.
The Dem Party is OUR party, not the party of a bunch of Wall St Investors, which is what the Third Way is.
Thankfully the problem with our party has been identified and is being addressed now by voters across the country.
This guy needs to be removed instantly from his position.
Shades of Rahm, another Third Way 'democrat' who has little use for progressives, which is too bad because we're here and we're not going anywhere.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)but I'm walking the dogs with my phone. If I get it I will post it at home.
Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)Seeing that he's a former state Rep.. wanting to start a career in the private sector... wonder what he is doing?
Odds are excellent he's an lobbyist of some sort.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)We try to be exemplars to the world.
JI7
(89,251 posts)and intelligent to be viewed as crazy.
olddots
(10,237 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)is totally important, and we love Elizabeth Warren.
In fact, Bernie isn't far enough to the left, but now we are.
Regards,
TWM
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I cringe.
Doesn't that make it sound like DNC is trying to sell us a bill of goods?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)We should be a cut above and not hitch our wagon to that other party's nonsense.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...since Bill Clinton passed NAFTA.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...opening up on O'Malley for this is bull.
Pretending this is his doing or opinion, as the author of this suggests, is equally crap. It should be worth noting that O'Malley supports and has been advocating for ALL of the bullet points above.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Yeah, the guy quoted is an "O'Malley supporter." Yeah, he's an idiot, or at least made an idiotic remark. Not mutually exclusive.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)He's not a member of O' Malley's staff or campaign so what he says is his own opinion
Almost every serious campaign has one or two big mouthed crazies that try and attach themselves to it
TBH: I could run out and claim to be a Clinton supporter and say really stupid things. It'd be a lie. I am not supporting her in the primary.
People talk. People say stupid things. Some people say them and are actually part of a campaign. Others merely claim to be partnered.
He's seems to be the latter
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)That makes Bernie look better.
Boyd Brown, DNC member from South Carolina...pfft.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...Brown isn't an O'Malley campaign official. Calling himself a 'supporter' doesn't make him one.
Is Sanders responsible for everything his 'supporters' say?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)elleng
(130,961 posts)He is not, of course, able to control what his supporters say.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Bernie cares about this.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Or not.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)thing tomorrow.
Resign now and save us the drama, Boyd.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not be supporting any of their efforts to collect money - that I would donate to individuals. Given how little money I have that probably did not worry them but much but if we all let them know how unhappy we are about their interference in this primary then something might be done. It is worth a try.
Done - and I was angry enough that I did not mince words.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)time, if you have it handy.
Thanks in advance.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)a contact us link.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)my inspiration.
KT2000
(20,581 posts)Sounds like an MBA is running the party.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)That's the problem...people like this person are more concerned about "the brand" (and their own self interest) than fighting politically for the interests of working people.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Mahatma Gandhi
I don't care what O'Malley supporters do. In fact if he takes a credible lead over Hillary I will support him. I am on board for Bernie 2016 #feel the Bern. I don't care what Hillary supporters do either she will only get my in name only support if she gets the nomination.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Really?
They need to kick his ass out the door.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)He needs to be out the damned door. Now.
Ignoring the working class and poor and taking money from Wall Street do actual damage to the party in the eyes of the voters.
The only people worried about the damage Berniew will do to the party "brand" are the very wealthy Wall Street bastards that are trying to "Buy" the brand.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to be honest, I wouldn't count on it.
This is going to hurt Hillary more than Bernie.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Either apologize or disavow him. Can't see any other alternatives.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in a way that they cannot ignore the request for an apology. Publicly, perhaps by Bernie's campaign, or by his supporters.
I would expect Hillary's supporters also to denounce this.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)I hope he get's taken to the mat by O'Malley's campaign. Anyone know who I should send an email to in an attempt to hurry that along?
We (Democrats) should not be engaging in this sort of baseless negative political BS in the primaries. I don't give a damn if it's psychology effective with some people, I still find it disgusting and unnecessary!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)and when you get in go to the bottom of the page and there is a contact us link.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)I'm doing that now. I appreciate the help finding the right direction.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You seriously have to wonder where a decision to make that statement comes from.
Agreed
. retract it (not holding breath).
Cha
(297,275 posts)saying stupid, mean, ugly, things better know they are not showing your own candidate in a good light. you're hurting them.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Is there a way to get his email, twitter account? I will post this now on my twitter account and ask that someone set up a petition to get a PUBLIC APOLOGY for this.
This is Rahm all over again.
He needs to GO!
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)...for not wanting to take big superpac money.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Elizabeth Warren so it should be no surprise that this moron would feel the same way about Sanders.
mahina
(17,663 posts)Also, Do Not Contribute.
My $ goes right to the candidates- Bernie and Feingold.
Triana
(22,666 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)guessing. Typical DNC pussy. Can dish it out but can't take it.
Triana
(22,666 posts)The jackass needs to APOLOGIZE.
It's SLEEZY AS HELL that the DNC fundraises off of Bernie's candidacy yet allows jackasses like H. Boyd Brown to call him "crazy" <-- and I tweeted THAT, too, to @HBoydBrown and @TheDemocrats.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)I was trying to send some automated message and to 'try again later". I was trying to tweet directly to him using the button on the left-hand rail.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Crazy -- a word that represents a totally subjective opinion in this context. It's nothing to worry about. It reflects more on Brown than on anyone else.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...and O'Malley doesn't need to apologize for every jackass statement made by those who say they support his campaign.
I believe he's referred to as a member of the DNC, though. Crickets on calls for them to apologize.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Taking a play from Rove to attack a person's strengths. An attack like that is advertising his own fear and weakness. Bernie has them in a panic.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)Hurt the party brand, indeed. Hmph.
djean111
(14,255 posts)What this guy has done is to perfectly illustrate that to me. Like Bernie makes it clear that the "party brand" has been oozing to the right for some time now, and that what used to be considered Democratic Party values is now just considered radical.
I am starting to see no choice but to not vote for any of these "new Democrats". Not my party.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Vinca
(50,276 posts)O'Malley's crew should have enough decency to stick to Bernie's crazy standards: talk about the issues, no negative campaigning.
TBF
(32,063 posts)and they should be. We aren't thrilled with their corporate candidates and we're not voting for them. We have our own candidate - Bernie Sanders - who actually gives a damn about people (as evidenced by his 20+ years of work in Congress on behalf of the 99% - as opposed to the records of the corporate candidates who only care about whomever is funding their campaign).
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Seriously, he is running for President. If Hillary requested apologies for every sexist comment made by someone with a D after their name she would run out of time to campaign. Sanders and Clinton are owed nothing. They are well off politicians applying for a job. Not doing favors where any slight requires an apology. The thought process of owing apologies to politicians it seriously authoritarian and strange to say the least.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)@HBoydBrown
https://twitter.com/hboydbrown
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)A real man of the people.
CrispyQ
(36,477 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)For DNC/Third Way/Clintonistas anyone who doesnt bow to Hillary 100% is "crazy"
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)To those people, yes, those are all crazy.
Or at the very least, worth investing in, profiting from and laboring against.
One persons crazy is another persons Shangri-La.
One investors junk is another protectors treasure.
JEB
(4,748 posts)to stand for nothing but sucking the corporate teat.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)And has a stellar record on quite a few of them in terms of getting solid policy and subsequent action as a Governor.
There's nothing crazy about a stellar environmental record, wanting green focused infrastructure development and being disgusted with the off shoring of American jobs.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And uncalled for.
The man should retract his words as soon as possible.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)which do SO well with Third-Way/DLC/Blue Dog Dems in the mid-terms!
valerief
(53,235 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Will the real Democratic party please stand up? Ooops ...I'm searching among the pile of spines in a grave yard.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)malthaussen
(17,202 posts)End of post. Seriously. There is no excuse for such conduct.
-- Mal
heaven05
(18,124 posts)for a rebuttal of the wasserman/DNC line we'll be hearing until the primary(s), among others, I imagine.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)about what a Democrat is.
JEB
(4,748 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)NO ONE can compare to Bernie. And you should be mad as hell. I am too.
Bernie is the REAL thing. And no one can hold a candle up to him. We need to get the idiot plutocrats out of Washington and get our country back. I have great fear if he is not elected, as the 1% will have then bought our country. Be ready for no universal health care, cuts in Medicare and Social Security and keeping the minimum wage low. Want to work until you're 70? Ready for your monthly voucher? We are in for a total disaster if he's not elected. I feel so sorry for our children and grandchildren if anyone else wins.
The good news is within a month, Bernie's numbers have skyrocketed. People are listening.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)[font size=+1]He reflects the wishes of the American public![/font]
--imm
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)Democratic National Committee
http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats
Boyd Brown
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/boyd-brown/a/355/642
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NOT !
Cleita
(75,480 posts)goes directly to the candidate and not these organizations, like the DNC.
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)My generation doesnt think you improve the lives of the working South Carolinian by lowering the taxes of the corporations that fund your political endeavors; you do so by finding ways to lower the personal income tax and improve their lot in life.
My generation finds it disgraceful to confine a child born to a broken home in Winnsboro or Kingstree, Allendale or Dillon, to a life without opportunity. Instead, we want the classroom to be a place where that child can escape from the shadows of despair and find refuge in an entirely new world, rich with opportunity.
My generation understands you dont fix roads by naming them after Andre Bauer and other politicians, and you dont fund infrastructure by changing the composition of the DOT Board. President Clinton reminded us, There is no evidence that we can succeed in this century with an antigovernment strategy, with a philosophy grounded in Youre on your own rather than Were all in this together. We must invest in better roads, stronger bridges and updated water and sewer lines.
My generation does not hate gay people. We dont hate any people, we simply believe all Americans, here in this state and across our country, should be able to live their lives as they see fit.
My generation is not caught up in black versus white. We must break out of this out-dated prism of looking at one another through the spectacles of the past. We want to celebrate equality and opportunity in South Carolina, not the bigotry that has defined our state for too long.
This is my generation
My generation does not fear the future. My generation is not afraid of progress; were not afraid of globalism and an interdependent world. My generation, we welcome change.
And, ladies and gentlemen, as a word of caution to you, my generation is sprinting this way.
*footnote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACE_Basin
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edit: Just posted my complaint to the DNC:
"H. Boyd Brown's remarks about Senator Sanders are insulting and require an apology. I cannot imagine donating campaign funds to an outfit that referred to a fellow Democrat in such demeaning terms."
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INdemo
(6,994 posts)She should have been fired Nov 2014
Any Chairperson that would allow former Republicans and Republicans to run a State Democratic Party Organization (Florida) should be fired
The DNC Chair is nothing more than a Republican lite. She is a Rahm Emmanuel with Boobs.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)good luck with that
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)THAT is why the GOPukes and 3rdWayers think he's crazy.
I'd rather be crazy like that than useless like they are.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)there was a similar op-ed also putting down those folks who foolishly think the DNC actually represents the Democratic Party. It was written, I think, by a Dino Congressman from Maryland and was, IMHO, frankly offensive. He even pointed out how the Social Security System was somehow involved in the deficit, a pov even Reagan didn't buy into publicly. It was almost embarrassing to read.
However, we can expect to see much more of this in the coming campaign. These people may be a lot of things but they are not stupid. They know better than most how to attack and denigrate the "opposition" whether that be GOPukes or New Deal Democrats.
It would be suicidal to let them succeed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)he is an outside threat. I expect NOTHING from the DNC...some of them are so delusional in their D.C. bubble, that their arrogance is only matched by their ego.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)Crazy good, crazy honest, crazy brave....Hell, he is crazy democratic. He actually understands the concept .
DFW
(54,403 posts)"Is it crazy... to fight income equality? "
Yes, it certainly is.
What needs to be addressed is income INEQUALITY.
(Just a heads-up, as Republican trolls love to cut and paste off of here, from what I hear).
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)a $15 minimum wage?
Yeah, that's pretty crazy. When was the last time the minimum wage has been doubled? How reasonable (or sane) is it to suggest doubling it now?
Even if you think it is reasonable, how many American voters agree? Remember these are the same American voters who have packed the House, the Senate, state legislatures and Governor's offices with people who are suggesting the opposite - abolishing the national minimum wage.
Public universities free? Again, pretty crazy. First of all nothing is free, the taxpayers will have to pay for it - the voters. You know, the same voters who have been electing Republicans to legislatures who have been voting to cut funding for Universities and forcing tuition to go up.
Medicare for all? Does the public think that is reasonable? After Obamacare was passed did they elect a bunch of Democrats to Congress in order to demand Medicare for all? Or did they elect a bunch of Republicans to demolish the "government takeover of healthcare"?
If your ideas get out there far enough, then the label of crazy really does fit.
Raising the minimum wage is not crazy, calling for $15 an hour kinda is. If not, where would you draw the line? Is a $100 minimum wage sane? Yes? What about $50? Still yes? (Note, if you are saying "No", right now then we are probably done trying to reason with each other).
My point is that clearly there is a line (somewhere) where a reasonable idea, like raising the minimum wage, or making college more affordable, becomes a crazy one.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)who won't catch a clue while his cash flow is positive.
To hell with him.