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Nader: Hillary Tried to ‘Overcompensate’ for Gender with ‘Shocking’ Militarism (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2015 OP
What a fucking dinosaur BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #1
More sexism. SHOCKING! JaneyVee Jun 2015 #2
Ralph "gonadal politics" Nader still a shitheel on gender nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #3
I rather doubt she is trying to compensate for her gender. The same old story, she is either this Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #4
"Maybe Ralph said this because of his gender" Or maybe he is just an asshat. yellowcanine Jun 2015 #23
I think I have this right. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #5
Original source here... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #6
Fair to criticize, but don't 6chars Jun 2015 #27
As much of an irrelevant barfmat as Nader can be, hifiguy Jun 2015 #28
Fuck Nader n/t Lil Missy Jun 2015 #7
Beat me to it Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #16
+1000 FLPanhandle Jun 2015 #30
The Empire attracts bad people...male and female DerekG Jun 2015 #8
This one's for you, Sid Dithers. blue neen Jun 2015 #9
I've always been a fan of Nader, but he's wrong on this one. Xithras Jun 2015 #10
+1 G_j Jun 2015 #29
Video: joshcryer Jun 2015 #11
Knowing the kind of hackneyed beltway advisors the Clintons employ... Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2015 #12
or maybe she just actually believes and supports use of military in certain cases more than JI7 Jun 2015 #14
Like I said some can't handle there existing a strong woman upaloopa Jun 2015 #33
Ralphie, go home. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #13
PJ Media is a center-right, libertarian outlet. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #15
Still pissed about your small Cisco Systems dividend Ralphie? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #17
They drag this asshole out every four years to beat up on Democrats. It's all he's good for now. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #18
The asshole who gave us two wars and a trillion-dollar deficit? jmowreader Jun 2015 #19
Ralphie jumped the shark in 2000. KamaAina Jun 2015 #20
So Nader is a psychotherapist now? yellowcanine Jun 2015 #21
Jesus fucking Christ. Fuck off Nader. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #22
FUCK RALPH NADER, THE MAN PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #24
I stopped listening to Nader decades ago. Paladin Jun 2015 #25
Yeah me too, I gave up on him when he went into politics. He was a great environmentalist Rex Jun 2015 #31
Good point. His work against GM was genuinely honorable. Paladin Jun 2015 #34
It was...today he is just a shell of his former self. Rex Jun 2015 #35
Even a blind pig finds an acorn every so often. hifiguy Jun 2015 #26
Like they said when she was first lady upaloopa Jun 2015 #32
And Nader tried to overcompensate by simplistic lying and saying there was no difference still_one Jun 2015 #36
Nader: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.... FSogol Jun 2015 #37
Who cares what Nader thinks or says? Gothmog Jun 2015 #38

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
1. What a fucking dinosaur
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:36 PM
Jun 2015
This is the problem of women trying to overcompensate in becoming more aggressive and macho so they are not accused of being soft on the need to kill and war, right? Instead of taking the tradition of women of peace, and turning into a muscular waging of peace of conflict and prevention, she [Clinton] did the reverse, and [Madeline] Albright did the reverse and Anne Marie Slaughter did the reverse and some of Obama’s advisers did the reverse,” he said. “We have to be transcendent on this. We have to really go right to the core of what people are standing for, fighting for and fighting against.”

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. I rather doubt she is trying to compensate for her gender. The same old story, she is either this
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jun 2015

Or that because she is a female, it would never be said if a male was saying the same. I just wonder how much longer this is going to occur. It is getting old. Maybe Ralph said this because of his gender, he is trying to compensate.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
23. "Maybe Ralph said this because of his gender" Or maybe he is just an asshat.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:31 PM
Jun 2015

Sometimes an asshat is just an asshat.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
6. Original source here...
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015
Former Green Party and independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader labeled 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton a “deep corporatist and a deep militarist” who has made peace with the nation’s power structure.

“I think Hillary is not the Hillary of when she was 30 years old. She made peace with the power structure and she is a deep corporatist and a deep militarist. One can almost forgive the corporatism. She moved to New York with Bill because that’s where the power is and Wall Street but her militarism is absolutely shocking,” he said during a discussion about his new book, Return to Sender, which focuses on unanswered letters Nader wrote to U.S. presidents about an array of issues.

Nader cited the war in Libya during President Obama’s first term to support his position on Clinton.

“She almost singlehandedly did the Libyan war. The Defense Department was against it, [Secretary Robert] Gates, and she persuaded the White House that it was an easy topple without knowing that in a tribal society with nothing to replace it you would have a civil war, sectarian killings spilling into Africa, weapons everywhere, Mali, central Africa and she’s being accused of Benghazi – the big thing is the huge amount of geography that has been destabilized because of the Libyan overthrow,” he added.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/nader-hillary-tried-to-overcompensate-for-gender-with-shocking-militarism/
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. As much of an irrelevant barfmat as Nader can be,
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

there is a large ring of truth in that. That HRC is dangerously hawkish is not an opinion, it is a fact.

DerekG

(2,935 posts)
8. The Empire attracts bad people...male and female
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jun 2015

I doubt there's any "overcompensation" with Clinton. Her worldview is one of violence and domination, and is thus a perfect match for the position of both Secretary of State and Presidency.



Xithras

(16,191 posts)
10. I've always been a fan of Nader, but he's wrong on this one.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jun 2015

Hillary wasn't trying to compensate for anything. She just doesn't give a damn. Like all of the other members of the aristocracy, she just places no value on the lives of brown people who stand in the way of American empire. They're all simply collateral damage in the war to increase the wealth and power of the 1%. Hillary is a hawk. War and murder are part of the game.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
12. Knowing the kind of hackneyed beltway advisors the Clintons employ...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jun 2015

I'd say Ralph is likely accurate here.

I can easily see some Dick Morris/Lani Davis-style schmuck telling her "You need to show the public that a woman can be tough! Vote for the war! Flex your foreign policy muscle! Look what it did for Thatcher!"

And the Clintons, as was the case with Morris' idiotic advice, would swallow it and comply.

I don't think Ralph is being sexist here, just accurately describing the thinking of DC consultants and their laughable "expertise."

JI7

(89,250 posts)
14. or maybe she just actually believes and supports use of military in certain cases more than
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jun 2015

some others.

she is popular among the generals and i think it's because they are kind of on the same level in terms of intelligence and education. and their view of the world and how use of military could help in getting some of the things they support.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
15. PJ Media is a center-right, libertarian outlet.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jun 2015

Sad he's been reduced to making himself available to that stuff.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
19. The asshole who gave us two wars and a trillion-dollar deficit?
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

Ralph Nader is proof the whole country needs a top-two general election system like Washington has.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
25. I stopped listening to Nader decades ago.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jun 2015

I'm sure as hell not paying attention to him, at this point.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Yeah me too, I gave up on him when he went into politics. He was a great environmentalist
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:39 PM
Jun 2015

but something happened to him - maybe the D.C. Bubble.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
35. It was...today he is just a shell of his former self.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

A real pity too...a loss for us all and the planet imo.

still_one

(92,204 posts)
36. And Nader tried to overcompensate by simplistic lying and saying there was no difference
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

between Democratsand republicans. For me Nader lost all credibility in 2000,

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