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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout that young lady the cop brutally attacked over the pool party....
Yeah, she is a RESIDENT of the community that hosts the pool.
She invited other RESIDENTS and some of the RESIDENTS gave others guest passes, as is their right as RESIDENTS. MOST OF THE ATTENDEES WERE RESIDENTS!
A racist white woman started making racist comments starting the altercation. She and another white woman ATTACKED this young lady in a violent assault, prompting the call to the police.
The rest is history, as they say. The twelve cops showed up and showed that all twelve of them were racist bad cops:
http://shine.forharriet.com/2015/06/19-year-old-woman-attacked-at-mckinney.html#axzz3cTHIKH9c
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)I was getting concerned about the "but did they actually belong there?" argument. Beside the point, and yes black people can indeed actually belong there.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)That's never been in question.
That cop who threw that fourteen year old girl to the ground is in even bigger trouble since I heard that she's actually a resident.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)And they don't have a right to throw people to the ground regardless of whether they're guests or residents, as all these kids were, or even if they're not entitled to be there. But these kids were even all entitled to be there.
There seems to be some weird thing where white people can tolerate a certain percentage of people of color in any given place, but as soon as that number gets too high, the police get called. I think that's what happened here. White people at the pool got uncomfortable with how many black teenagers were there and decided that they couldn't possibly be entitled to be there. Which is beside the point, and they WERE entitled to be there anyway.
phil89
(1,043 posts)ahe wasn't following his instructions. That's what happens to anyone in such a situation. The nonsense about it being "brutal" isn't helping either. Try seeing the situation for what it was.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)As does just about everyone herel
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)The more we politely push back - the sooner he'll go away.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)and homophobes and teaparty are going to start some shit.
Not sure how many of them will participate, or how violent they will be, but count on it.
Unfortunately for them, the same SC is also going to destroy ACA and many of them who will need emergency rooms and medical care from their war injuries wont be able to get them as they will lose their Obamacare.
The american racist will not go away quietly, not at all.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)
by police before Obama was elected are different, IDK. I feel like black people are being punished because of it.The signs were there in 2007 and 2008 when the Waffle House putsch was attemped, the guy who shot at houses owned by black people in the Northeast occured to start their race war (always the dream of the Nazis, KKK and Birchers), and on and one without end and escalating due to media consolidation.
These guys aren't exactly original thinkers. The police forces have been used wrongly and have bad apples by the bushel. The cop that sat on the 14 year old girl was part of that culture.
Some of the KKK in and around Feguson were cops. They should not have been there. I feel that the escalation of public violence is due to the legislative agenda of the Koch brothers and those like them that are landed or in some other way oligarchs.
With the destruction of positive policing, mitigating agencies and stand your ground and this 'I felt my life was in danger' (but that only works against black people, not for them, when they have the history to prove their lives are in danger) and is used by fired up racists to kill black people.
But these entities are not, and I repeat NOT, anything new. They have been here since before the American Revolution and those who truly believe in the spirit of the words 'all men are created equal' have been fighting them ever since. It's democracy or aristocracy/ feudalism.
Some of the richest people in this country are never seen, they got their start from the British crown before the Consitution. They have tolerated the BoR and the Constitution as long as it didn't threaten their power.
The election of Democrats in the sixties drove them nuts. Oh, heck, the New Deal drove them nuts. No, the abolition of slavery drove them nuts. The CSA never went away, as that mindset was here long before them. Now, do we stay as one country, fight for a government that will push back on them, or do we let the nation be divided up the way they want, so they can control us more intimately than ever?
It's up to us. We're at a tipping point. IDK what the end result will be.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)to spit into the melting pot and to obviously try and create controversy. These types always prove what they really are sooner or later. I do hope it's sooner with his one and good riddance.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)On Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:29 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Careful racist troll. I see you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6799279
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
If you think someone is a racist troll, please report them to Admin. We cannot just call members racist trolls according to what we have set as Community Standards. This is disruptive, rude, and OTT. It only derails the conversation, not help it or change someone's mind. Please hide.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:35 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: That was too much
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I looked at the post being replied to. Gotta say this message is well-deserved.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Nothing wrong with pointing out the appearance of racism, just doesn't need to be accusation/trial/conviction in one post.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And the vote justifications are pretty lame: Three "no explanations" and one (I paraphrase) "I agree with the over-the-top personal insult, so it's okay."
I don't agree with the person the insult was aimed at, but this shit should have been hidden.
At least it wasn't a poor pun, I guess.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I should believe them.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)
Hekate
(90,714 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Is there a point in life where you look around and say - not one fuck to give about people's feelings who've not one fuck to give about me?
Is 42 an acceptable age? 
heaven05
(18,124 posts)
virgogal
(10,178 posts)
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)to The Hillary Clinton Room. No free speech there at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Seriously, are you unclear on the concept of groups, here?
They're cheerleading clubs, and if they don't want you in there harshing their mellow, you're gone.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Has an interesting history.
I'm on MIRT and can see patterns now - how it goes from 'light posting' to that one topic that gets them really angry.
phil89
(1,043 posts)please stop with the accusations.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)give it a rest, why don't you.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I think he's up in his feelings.
heaven05
(18,124 posts) phil89
(1,043 posts)you don't get that?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm there and I notice the pattern too. It's as obvious as the nose on my face. I see you
phil89
(1,043 posts)and none of the people accusing me of racism can backlit up. You got nuthin
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You seem drawn to this type of thread. Like a moth to a flame... It's shows me alot about you. You know what you are, I do need to bother telling you what is inside of yourself. You know.
Baitball Blogger
(46,727 posts)I think this one tips the scales:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6816211
Response to phil89 (Reply #348)
JustAnotherGen This message was self-deleted by its author.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)A few months ago I probably would have voted to hide, but since the racist cop apologists never get hidden for their bullshit any more, fuck that.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)bc I think it's important for people to see what others are saying.... the patterns and all that....
A record, if you will, so that if a decision is made later on about their posting rights, it's all out in the open for all to see.
Baitball Blogger
(46,727 posts)out him even faster.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)I tend to only vote to hide the most egregious posts. Flat out racism, misogyny, personal attack. And if I'm uncertain or wavering, I'll excuse myself from the jury.
I haven't served on all that many juries, to be honest. I prefer to know whom I'm arguing with (if I argue with a person) and allow their words to speak for themselves.
And i worry that my "feeling" about someone may be wrong. (Which is why I sometimes excuse myself from the jury.)
Baitball Blogger
(46,727 posts)It's true that under extreme circumstances the admins will step in and remove a long time poster if they see something that goes beyond the pale. However, this is actually rare. And, it's not how the process really works. Any poster over 100 posts is out of the realm of MIRT. It's the hidden posts that will push someone over the edge. It's almost a built in Skinner Box, so to speak, where people will walk themselves into a suspension on their fifth hidden posts. But to get there, the jury needs to hide posts and not sit passively by.
And one last thought, you should keep in mind that the poster you're letting go will continue to serve on juries, especially if his posts don't get hidden. So he's free to continue skewing the jury pools to meet his agenda.
So, thinking that MIRT and the admins will see the pattern of questionable posts in the thousands that are written is not as good as serving on the jury yourself and hiding posts to make it easier to see the pattern. Especially since you do sound conscientious and fair-minded.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I'm not a fan of that poster, but that was clearly a personal attack.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)not the least concerned about an obvious transparent shit stirrer such as the one who the alertee was responding to. They deserved to be censored because they lack empathy and a godamn conscience and the alert was frivolous to say the least.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)If the poster is a troll we have ways of handling it. Everyone here that hasn't been banned should be treated equally.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)standards because they are on the side of "goodness". Or what they perceive is goodness.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Not enough people care and it stays.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Thank so much.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts) Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)who always do the right thing and speak up and out when the time comes.
Thank you! 
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)If you suspect someone is a racist troll, you could alert on their posts or contact the administrators.
The posts like yours that was alerted on help make DU suck, too.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)is warranted or not. The racists comments should be dealt with independently.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Jury nullification is a long standing tradition of American jurist prudence.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Yeah, I have heard that a few million times in the past few years.
As to getting over yourself, I wonder, are you white?
I only ask because if you are, to lecture an AfAm person about ANYTHING having to do with race, is
how would I say
HYSTERICAL
before you say anything, I am white too, just in my case i dont pretend to know about what other people go thru in life
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)
I think DU is figuring out that bigoted words and beliefs and 'attitudes' are far worse than someone pointing out that one has a bigoted attitude.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)according to the rules. If you feel someone makes racist comments then alert on their post. Just because you feel their comments are racist doesn't excuse you from violating CS.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)is an activity that you would do well to engage in vigorously.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts) heaven05
(18,124 posts) heaven05
(18,124 posts)and it can't be squelched, although many do try, without real results. Get over your anger because people tell the truth about this RACIST, vicious culture that POC live in. Give it a rest. Why don't you, and his post should NEVER been alerted on, can you guess who should have been alerted on? One guess.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)got your back.....
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Or should be.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and the post wasn't hidden. I've seen it from time to time, and always with this same reasoning. This isn't brand new here.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)we have community standards for a reason. We can't let some people start or continue violating them because THEY think someone deserves it. That is mob mentality.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)What most of the jurors think are community standards, are. I've seen much more troubling jury decisions than this.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I know you are mocking me but if that's your thing, go for it.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)Sometimes fairness is in letting what you believe in your heart to be right to be done. It happens in law, too. Not just here on DU.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)The jurors took all the evidence into consideration? From reading their decisions at least two of them appear to have said as much. Which means it's not outside of the ream of possibility to believe the other two may have had similar feelings and didn't want to, or know how to put them into words.
I know I read a whole discussion before I make my decision when I'm on a jury. It's too easy for someone to be sly and say awful things in one post that if not taken in context of the conversation would not seem so bad, and sometimes I've left things when I realized the person being responded to was the one who had been saying the awful things and the alerted was fairly reacting to those things. Which is the very definition of mitigating circumstances. I think too many people here are only looking at the one post and basing their decisions on that single post in a discussion when they're on a jury. Which is leading to people playing malicious games and getting away with them far too often. It makes DU suck when we let people get away with being ugly here.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)violating the Community Standards. It is an excuse used by bullies to justify their behavior. "I only beat up trolls, and I decided this is a troll, therefore I am justified in beating them up." Alert on trolls and alert on the self-righteous that justify their behavior by declaring someone else of being a troll.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)You're either not hearing me or not understanding what I was trying to say. The context of what we say here is as important as the words we choose. Especially when it comes to how a jury is expected to perceive our intent. With our intent being the true measure of who we are and what we're we're really saying here.
It's very easy with this system to play games within the basic rules of civility and still be saying things which are intended to be inflammatory to specific groups of people on this site. I've seen it many times when I've been on juries for various topics across these boards. I've come to understand, over time, how it's done and be aware of it when I come across it now. When someone does so, and gets called out for it, and a jury lets the post calling it out stand, it's not fairness to call the jurist out for seeing someone's intent as less than honorable. If anything it should signify the person who was the target should reevaluate what their intent is when they say things which provoke other people here. Because, it would appear they're being perceived as being less than honest in their intent. Which is something a person who is trying to contribute valid content here should be concerned about, I would think.
Also, it's not self-righteousness to care about how someone's words are effecting other people. It's compassion, empathy and sometimes even personal understanding of the other person's perspective.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I sure hear you.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We have rules to keep from having chaos. If people start thinking that they are capable of detecting trolls, for example, and can therefore be rude to those they've label as trolls, you have vigilantism. The problem you end up with is that the decision of whether someone is a troll is often subjective. Follow the rules and you prevent chaos.
If the poster in question violates our rules, we have an alert system with jury. No need for ridicule, mocking or rudeness. No need for vigilantes.
"Also, it's not self-righteousness to care about how someone's words are effecting other people. It's compassion, empathy and sometimes even personal understanding of the other person's perspective." I completely agree. It is self-righteous to believe that because you BELIEVE you stand for goodness, that you can violate rules and laws.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)I wonder why we even have them any longer, frankly.
phil89
(1,043 posts)not sure what your problem is.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)the environment they are in, one wonders what one must be smoking to deny this.
I want some, whatever it is
phil89
(1,043 posts)explain what I said that was racist please.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)that the individual grew up in or around. If they don't learn it at home, they learn it from the people they hang out with.
Peace,
Ghost
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Some white people learn it, and work all their lives to discard it and not be so.
Some love it.
All enjoy white privilege which is part of racism.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)okaaayyyy! not a clue...geez
phil89
(1,043 posts)are you able to explain what specifically was racist?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you didn't have to. You made your point in a very obvious and transparent manner. I'm finished engaging, not worth my time. bub bye:
irisblue
(32,980 posts)My last hide was 1239 days ago, you can see that I don't often point out obvious foolishness. Your tapdance on the racist dance line left lots of foot marks on the racist comment side. Your disingenuous tripe deserved to be pointed out.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Do you want to answer it now, or does it make you uncomfortable to discuss the feelings that many of us have on this board?
DU does not just cover technical or political questions, but what affects people's lives in the sense they feel included as members of DU. These threads about education.
I believe you struck a nerve with your comment, which was not about the primary issue to some of us here, those teens. In the eyes of one for whom racism is a daily fact of life, such dismissiveness feels racist.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Twice of gotten away with "wasn't following his instructions."
Gosh, I can't wait for the day...
stage left
(2,962 posts)The out of control cop threw this young woman down to the ground and put all his considerable weight on her back. Brutality. Clearly. I wonder if he would have done that to the white woman who was really at fault for this mess? Oh, hell, no, I don't wonder. I KNOW he wouldn't have. he would have been "yes, ma'aming" her.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)repeatedly to shove her face into the ground.
Those kids were so young!
stage left
(2,962 posts)Witness him going after the young girl and those young guys who were plainly terrified--the weakest opponents he could find. 
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Odd, isn't it?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The kids filming said he was basically invisible to the cops.
You can see, even in this thread, where people are unable to see these kids as good kids at a pool party. They are immediately seen as trouble makers, thugs, who don't belong there and must be doing something wrong. How many of them are great students, never in trouble, from middle class homes? Probably most of them, but people never make that assumption.
Same types of comments from the ferguson protests. A huge number of young people there were college students.... but all many white people saw were unemployed thugs who needed to "get a job".
Racism is insidious and goes way beyond the white supremacist type of racism.
lolly
(3,248 posts)And we are required to follow them immediately and without question, no matter what the situation?
Then--we have no rights.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)I was driving home from the grocery store listening to this story on NPR, and wondering: Should all kids of all colors have a class in the high school gym on how to behave extremely subserviently to armed uniformed police officers?
We can't just get by on saying Yes sir and No sir any more, can we? Not when just giving cops a funny look much less seriously having a teenage attitude can mean a death sentence.
Kids have got to practice cringing at an early age, so they'll know the right way to do it, right down to laying down in the dirt before they're even told to.
I include white kids in this because I remember those protestors at UC Berkeley who were cuffed, kneeling, unresisting, and a cop walked along the line of them pepper spraying their eyes. Obviously they were doing it wrong. I mean the young people, not of course the police.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)
brush
(53,784 posts)it's right there in the video.
The manhandling and taking to the ground of a half-naked teenage girl, cuffing her then keeping her pinned with knees and full body weight on her back is nothing but brutal and entirely unnecessary escalation of a situation that drastically called out for de-escalation.
That short cop did just the opposite of what was needed with his racist assumptions that only the black people were at fault.
It's all right there in the video — his cursing at the black kids instead of talking and asking who called and what was going on, his cuffing of the black teenage boys, his threats to arrest other black teens, his egregious manhandling of the teenage girl and then the drawing his gun and chasing after other black teenagers (only to be stopped by the two sensible officers).
The short cop did none of that to the many whites who were around, including the big guy in the denim shorts or the white teen videoing the whole thing.
There are no excuses for this out-of-control behavior so pls stop making them. That short, loose cannon cop does not have the disposition or patience to ascertain what's going on and to deescalate a situation and thus should not be entrusted with a gun.
Fire his ass!
yardwork
(61,634 posts)I'm a white woman, just to put that on the table. I agree with the poster to whom you are responding. I watched the video, and see no reason for that officer to do what he did. It was excessive, it was uncalled for, and yes, it certainly suggests that his response was motivated by racial bias.
I also saw a video of a blonde white woman attacking two black teenagers at the same scene. Was she arrested? Handcuffed? Thrown to the ground? Nope.
This doesn't look good.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)she deserved the knee in the back. Those kids deserved the threat by having a weapon drawn on them? And what of the woman who initiated the altercation? Someone needs to give it a rest alright......
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This is part of the reason that traumatized rape victims don't report it, because their emotional state isn't taken into account by the police.
She could have been cuffed and left there. It's very personal and intimidating to have the weight of someone on top of you. Some women or girls feel it is a form of sexual threat. Their instinct is to resist until they get free.
Civilians are not expected to act like soldiers in combat zones or professional sport fighters. She was crying, she wasn't a 'tough guy' or whatever it would take to handle the situation and just do as told without question.
Young people are not mature enough to not react emotionally, unless they've been beaten down at home. And that is more of a numbness than maturity.
This is not what we want for kids as it stunts their intellectual and social skills. She's 19, don't expect her to act like a soldier obeying orders.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Also this 19 yr old was assaulted by one of the adult women.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And some women older than either of them object to being held down by a male, for very good reasons.
All I noted was her cries and her kicking. It's natural.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)with you. A girl, a teenager, a woman, being thrown down and held down by a man? It would be traumatic and her tears and fright and kicking are natural reactions to that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)tblue37
(65,394 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)tblue37
(65,394 posts)from Napoleon Rambo toward the end of the video look like terrified children, and one is barely holding back tears!
Abuse of anyone of any age by cops is horrifying, but I feel overwhelmed to think of young, young teens being treated this way. The fact that they were in swimwear makes it even worse, because it would make them feel even more vulnerable--especially the girls.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)stage left
(2,962 posts)All I could see was my own daughter being terrorized. She was calling for her mother.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)stage left
(2,962 posts)He's busy all right.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)About the weight of someone on top of you being seen as a form of sexual threat. I agree. In another thread I said that Casebolt telling her to "lie still; stop fighting" sounded a lot like what a rapist would say. He violated her person for no good reason.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)person in a situation ripe for abuse of all kinds. It's abnormal to lay down on the pavement, period. In a stressful situation, it's doubly so.
In all of these things, the pat downs, the strip searching and the order to 'lie still' as you say, is like being raped for either gender. Most people would never get in that position except in bed with a trusted person.
It's unnatural. A horse or bull with a rider on their back at a rodeo will try to buck them off because it's a violation of their nature, and puts them at risk. I'm surprised more people don't resist having hands laid on them, much less in such a position.
Those who are defending this kind of manhandling as if it's a normal reaction, have a blunted sense of boundaries. Thanks for the comment.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)We see the situation for exactly what it was.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)The kid was crying for her mother. After he had he on her stomach and cuffed, he continued grinding his knee into the small of her back for at least a minute. Does her failure to follow his fucking instructions justify that? As for brutal, imagine you are at the scene and your 14 year old daughter gets treated like that. What do you do? Do you stand there "seeing the situation for what it was"? Or do you come to the aid of your kid? What happens when you fail to follow instructions too, and for what?
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)nothing that young girl did that was illegal. Saying call my Mom, is not illegal. What that cop did was fucking illegal. Unless this shit is stopped it could be your kid next for not reacting fast enough to a cops instructions.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)She tried leaving.
He chased her and dragged her back because she was complaining about how the officers were behaving and saying that she'd call her mom.
Last time I checked, it's perfectly fine to do that. If you're complying with the officer and leaving like you were asked, you can say what you want so long as you aren't threatening any harm to anyone.
And it's brutal to slam a minors head several times into the ground after slinging them around. Sorry that your definition of that word doesn't fit with the majorities.
So, how about you actually watch the video instead of parroting what you heard others say? Be informed.
stage left
(2,962 posts)She walked away and then he went after her, dragged her back, threw her to the ground, and put all his weight on her back. And I won't give it a rest. It's been given a rest way past long enough.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Ones like, "Get your ass home!!!"?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)The actions of Eric Casebolt, the police corporal shown in a video responding to reports of fighting at a pool party in McKinney, Texas, were "indefensible," the city's police chief said in a news conference Tuesday announcing the corporal's resignation. "Our policies, our training, our practice, do not support his actions," Police Chief Greg Conley said. "He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident."
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And since that made him look like an idiot, he then decided to order her to go face down.
Try seeing the situation for what it was. Even the cop's supervisor recognized that Rambo stepped way over the line. That's why he was forced to resign.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)that was terrifying. psycho cop.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)it was a private party and there was no mention of it being 1. a community pool; 2. nor that the the young people were invited; nor that there were racial slurs and cursing at the young people; 3. and that the police officer - at one point had one knee on the girls back and the other knee was on her neck. ugh.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)makes it even worse. The racist lady should be in trouble not anyone else.
Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)Anytime there's too many blacks around, some white people get upset and scared and want to contact authorities. They don't like being the minority.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)We need to wait and see - but they better be.
You put hands on another person (if it's the one I think that did it) - and you are much larger and heavier than them - your intent is not positive.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Both women engaged in the assault.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Of the black woman (19) defended herself?
Can you link to the vine? I can't find it.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The Vine recording off the assault is closer to the bottom:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/07/texas-pool-party_n_7530502.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Isn't there a direct link address you can post?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Is there anything showing how it started? The difference here is that the guys actually split them up. So many times guys will egg it on. Good to see that didnt happen here.
Who ever got hit first should press charges. And those women should be easy enough to identify
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)First, byt making racist statements, then the one in the black swimsuit SLAPPEd the young lady.
The entire incident was motivated by racism and escalated by the cops due to racism.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)at the beginning of one of the videos? I had to laugh! He was obviously in some weird fantasy in his head. He was a clear and present danger to all those children. Thank God 2 of the cops ran between his gun and those boys.
How the women walked away scot free is my issue. Also, I was furious at how the cops just assumed those kids didn't live in the neighborhood. Racism is rampant in this country. Just rampant.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)turning his fail into a tuck and roll.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)fast enough. He got more angry when handed his flashlight as he started to realize he dropped some of his gear. He was out of control and I'm not sure what would have happened if the other two LEOs had not gone by right when they did.
I was wondering why the kid filming wasn't harassed. Some have said he was white, which would fit,
FourScore
(9,704 posts)tblue37
(65,394 posts)tblue37
(65,394 posts)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) 7962
(11,841 posts)tblue37
(65,394 posts)they'll push the cops to charge the two women who attacked the other girl.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I'm on stand by - I'm pretty sure I know which three DU members will STILL come in here and make excuses for the poor behavior of the LEO - as well as the two women (vile filthy racist bigot assholes) who couldn't just go along to get along.
Those two white women knew PRECISELY what they were doing - and the did it because they 'could'.
I want a fucking perp walk.
Whichever of those two were the ones that punched this girl? That's assault.
If it were a bunch of black teenage girls in a McDonalds in the greater NYC area the 'law and order types' around here would be foaming at the mouth.
There's NOOOOOOOOOOOOO difference between this woman - and them.
Only thing is - hers was a hate crime.
You drop a n-bomb while you beat someone (she probably did - those types of thugs always do) you deserve to be sent to jail for both an assault and a hate crime.
You wait and see - she's probably screaming "n*gg*r b*tch" while she did it. Cell phone is pretty might these days.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)How telling...
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Keep calm - and let jag cat and mouse. 
freshwest
(53,661 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Any response to Michael Slager being indicted!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026799619
This is a rough day for the poo pooers and apologists. We just need to let them explore their feelings and get in touch with their softer side.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Looks like you got this one pegged.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Like clock work!
Welcome to the party! 
freshwest
(53,661 posts)There's is more going on than anyone might 'assume' about what JAG is saying here. JMHO.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... without looking through their coke bottle glasses of racism, sexism, classism or their own pet "-ism".
You wait and see - she's probably screaming "n*gg*r b*tch" while she did it. Cell phone is pretty might these days.
I'm surprised she didn't proclaim there's a full klan outfit in the trunk of the patrol car that is probably there...
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)is as plain as day. I just cannot believe some of the responses by some of the so called liberals and progressives here to the video. That's very sad and does NOT give me hope that some the privileged class here will ever be trusted to help end racism in amerikkka. Hell, I'll go further say. I feel after reading some responses that they are definitely part of the problem. There, I fucking said it....
and really give less than a damn if you don't like it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)That one needs to be fired at the minimum.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)This morning they did an interview with an attorney that used to be a cop and he thought it was excessive as well.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)She's a size six at most.
She will be afraid of white men for the rest of her life.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)serious injury to her spine..what is it with these target and shoot POC LEO's and spines and trying to cause serious injury?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
brer cat
(24,573 posts)I certainly hope we see a perp walk for the two racists who attacked this young woman. Absolutely no excuse for it.
Then deal with the racist cops who made matters a whole lot worse. It seems there is enough video evidence to leave them no room to crawl away.
erronis
(15,290 posts)
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)"Circumferentially Challenged?" C'mon... they are FAT! So am I. Twas not ever thus, but there it is. I need a donut...
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I just ate my last Krispy Kreme.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)JI7
(89,251 posts)Who the big creepy guy was that was hanging around there ?
At one point he pushed away some girls who were trying to help the girl that was slammed to the ground.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)There were at least two 'helpful' white guys hanging out.
I haven't seen any explanation of who they are.
marble falls
(57,099 posts)because its everywhere.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the smell of undercover pig all over him - didn't show the slightest sign of concern that the uniformed pigs would bother him.
That fat bastard needs to be DOXed in a major way at a bare minimum.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)after all, the kid shooting the video (the longer one that shows the girl being assaulted by the cop) is a white kid and he said (I'm paraphrasing) "when the cops got here kids started running, that's when cops started rounding people up, but they only where yelling at the black, mexican, and arab kids... it was as if I was invisible..."
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Yuck
Bongo Prophet
(2,650 posts)His "side" to the story sounds pretty dubious, claiming all sorts of "Punk" and "thug" behavior.
Of course! They were just standing their ground, and protecting their right to bare their arms in the sun with privileges intact.
The two of them holding onto the 19 year old in classic hair pulling mode is disgusting.
I think he is partners/friends of the angry white women, and he was wandering around the whole time, probably to make a statement and point out the "thugs"--after what really looks like the real perps )the two angry white women left the scene entirely.
http://imgur.com/gallery/4Oune
Hey, sorry for so many quotes.
I guess someone could look into the claim that the same "thugs" were kicking in doors and stealing cars and smoking weed and all that other stuff. Or just maybe that it never happened, was exagerrated, or done by other people, etc.
But he is sure it was THEM. After all, they all look the same to him I guess, while claiming "this is not about race"...
And that cop even put the video on his youtube page, along with some other racist authoritarian shit.
The whole thing is just pitiful. Infuriating. Sad.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)This happened Friday.
This is one of three different "new stories".
Racists are trying to sell their racism as something else.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)
There is no way that guy wrote that. Whoever wrote that is an ass.
For potential jurors, I am not calling a DUer an ass, am calling the person who wrote that nasty shit at the link in the previous post an ass.
Bongo Prophet
(2,650 posts)A lot of justification after the fact. And that guy was giving all the stereotypical name calling and so on.
A social INjustice warrior, one could say.
I do have to admit I don't know the facts that I CAN'T see, but what I HAVE see does not look good at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)colorful swimwear and carrying brightly patterned beach towels!!!
I know their game...They were intent on engaging in some felonious towel snapping!!!
Am I in need of one of these?
Johonny
(20,851 posts)when the black kids approach the cop, he pulls a gun. The giant looming white guy that actually wanders into his suspects is of no concern, but unarmed black teenagers get the gun pulled on them... holy fuck the obvious racism in this video can only be denied by racists.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Thanks for the photo montage. Someone needs to DOX this fat bastard
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gwheezie
(3,580 posts)What is wrong with people? The sane thing to do would have been if the 2white women went over and told the kids to have a good time. And it seems like there were adults there so why not act like a grown up.
Something not nearly as dangerous happened to my family. My parents were living at a condo in a resort area and my son in law who is black was visiting with my daughter and grandson. They were at the pool as guests of my parents. My old frail dad heard some comments and racial slurs and jumped up ready to fight, my son in law had to calm him down. I think that was a real slap of reality for my dad who did not think these things still occurred but comments were made in front of his great grandson. My dad raised hell at the condo meetings afterwards.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Texas, kids need to have constructive things to do. And they were doing just that at this pool party until the local "KKK" women show up using racist language and calling the cops because "they do not belong there".
Those women who caused the trouble are totally to blame for the incident and the cops just followed along since they are as bad as the women. And as usual nothing is done about the real troublemakers.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Who is scared and angry. The police rarely bother to find out what the problem is.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... stopped and treated like that by officer Robocop
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Don't you think this cop is the type who would've (and may have) pulled the same kind of crap with white teens as well?
Undoubtedly racism probably exacerbated the situation, but this cop seems like a loose cannon.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)There's a thread up above that paraphrases some of what is said in a video:
after all, the kid shooting the video (the longer one that shows the girl being assaulted by the cop) is a white kid and he said (I'm paraphrasing) "when the cops got here kids started running, that's when cops started rounding people up, but they only where yelling at the black, mexican, and arab kids... it was as if I was invisible..."
Also, the issue that started it was that some of the white people at the pool were upset that so many black people were at the pool and started yelling racist things at them. How can you wonder if this was racism?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'm asking if this cop has power trip issues also. It seems obvious that racism was at play here, but also this cop seems like a psychopath (in addition to his racism). It seems like he could probably pull something like this on white teens as well.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I read he teaches at the police academy there also. 
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The entire incident started over racist comments and a racist attack by two white women on a black teen.
Then the cops started going after every black person.
It was all about race.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It just seems like there are a lot of these power-hungry police officers that like to boss people around and act aggressively to what they perceive to be the slightest provocation. I am asserting that this problem exists in addition to the racism that is also obviously very much at play here.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)End of discussion.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)and only harassed the black teens. Sure, there are plenty of cops who will give kids of any race a hard time, just for fun. This cop wasn't doing that, at all.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)and virulent racism.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As I wrote above, obviously racism is at play here, but he seems unhinged. I cannot imagine this is the first time he has behaved this way with people.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)playing devil's advocate here. Why?
Racism is evident in this brutal white cop's actions and attitude toward these younglings.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just think that cops on a power trip are dangerous and that this incident is an example of that as well as an example of racism. Important to recognize both problems (which are often found together).
haele
(12,659 posts)A power trip is an attempt to gain control over someone or something that one has a visceral reaction against.
The #1 trigger in developing a contempt or fear of any particular stereotype or group (i.e., "group-ism" tends to be based on differences in race, because that's the most obvious tribal identifier that can't be mitigated.
While the majority of men who dislike women do have women in their lives they feel something positive towards, and the majority of women who hate men also have men in their lives they feel something positive towards, and religion or sexual preference tendencies aren't immediately noticeable, the indication of a difference is out front and obvious as soon as a person of a different race comes into view.
So, Here's how a power trip-out triggered by racism works (well, at least in my experience)
Lower ranking emperor-god-king/queen is experiencing a frustrating build-up of anger on "checks" to his or her sense of authority to begin with. Has to keep that frustration eating at them in check to perform duties expected of a job, or needs to present a neutral public face.
Sees something that s/he doesn't like or approve of anyway. Like a group of kids who don't look like they're "good enough" to be in his or her little kingdom. Or someone who vaguely looks like someone who could be committing a crime catches his or her eye as being "out of place".
Frustration and rage suddenly boil up. "How dare that scum sully my world! They're ignoring my presence, the disrespectful [ethnic slur FITB]! I'm going to teach them a lesson they won't ever forget before they get away."
And then the incoherent ranting of orders begins, and the gun comes out to enforce whatever control that frustrated authoritarian is trying to establish.
And the unsuspecting target finds him or herself the focus of that frustration, and will experience harassment, abuse, injury, or even death for reasons other than a potential criminal act because that authoritarian has given his/her personal control up to the entire range of frustration and anger the lizard brain sets in motion. They won't stop until 1) the target of their rage is sufficiently neutralized or 2) someone stronger can establish control over them.
So yes, a racist person will more quickly over-react and go on a power-trip because their racism sees anyone of another race who isn't cowed or in their proper place as a disrespectful attack on their authority.
I've seen it first hand in the military and in the civilian sphere more times than I can count my entire life.
Haele
csziggy
(34,136 posts)brush
(53,784 posts)Can't you see that?
He didn't even bother to ask who called. If he had, he would have found out that the two racist white women actually assaulted one of the teenage black girls and that was who he should have cuffed and arrested instead of just the nearest black people.
That incident is a prime example of how racism works in America.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)What kind of racist stuff is on there?
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)You'll notice one of the videos is: Chief tells truth black people don't want to hear. ..
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Clearly racism is very much a factor here. Probably the main factor.
But he also seems to have power trip issues.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Sadly, many times, those with power issues figure out who society will tolerate them outletting their issues on.... minorities and poor people. It's pretty damn sad.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Thinking being white makes you superior, and feeling protected from consequences by virtue of your position in the system.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I just think it's important to point out that there is also a "I'm a cop so I can do whatever the hell I want" vibe that is a problem for people of all races who have to deal with that sort of police officer. Add the obvious racism on top of that and things get even worse.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This asshole would act like a jerk to ANYONE who dared question his authority.
Racism and police power trip.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)without equivocation, he would NOT treat white kids like this, "power tripper" or not. To much study of the modern white supremacists has taught me that FACT. White people are treated differently and with more respect and dignity than POC in amerikkka, 9 out of ten times. Period.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)and they were not doing what he requested.
brush
(53,784 posts)Perfect answer. Straight to the point.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Racism is power -- the power to bully, the power to subjugate, the power to control and at its worst, the power to eliminate.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Undoubtedly his loose cannon nature probably exacerbated the situation, but this cop seems like a racist..."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Let's hope he is off the force for good.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)more white teens killed by cops, then MAYBE we can start saying it is a power thing. Right now, it is racism.
lolly
(3,248 posts)They ignored the white boy.
I suspect there is a chance, at least, that they may have acted out at least some of their power fantasies if an attractive white teenaged girl had questioned their actions.
Perhaps not as harshly.
But there is some serious domination fantasy going on with the crazed cop and the big guy messing with a teenaged girl here.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...started it
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)A racist who isn't allowed to abuse their power is just an impotent bigot.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)HELL NO!!!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Clearly in this instance, race is very much central to what is happening, but I don't think it's that much of a stretch to imagine that this cop abuses his power in other ways beyond what is captured in this video. Who knows, though. Bottom line - get him off the force.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:42 PM - Edit history (1)
who took the video commented that he is white, so the cops just ignored him and only went after PoCs.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)This incident encapsulates the problem with racism in this country. 1) White people see black people and assume, incorrectly, that they don't belong in the neighborhood (most of them actually lived in the community and they were invited by a resident to the pool; 2) white people assume the black folks live in government subsidized housing; 3) white people assume that they themselves DON'T live in government subsidized housing, even though I bet every damned one of them took a mortgage interest deduction this year; 4) white people then call the police on black youth and insist that the unarmed black youth were a threat to the safety and lives of armed police; 5) white people yell racial slurs at black people but still consider the black youth the aggressors; 6) white people defend a cop when he violently assaults a black youth and pulls gun on others; 7) rinse, repeat...
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)...the assumption that black people "don't belong here".
Everyone needs to read "Sundown Towns," by Jim Loewen.
Required reading for EVERYONE!!!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)That book was a huge wake-up call.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)in the 50's and 60's with my parents following carefully crafted routes so as to not or at least minimize contact with local kkk police and general citizenry was to coin a phrase, "a trip!". I'll have to pick this book up. thanks
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)of condemnation( MSM ) and considering how young these kids are, how off the rails the cop
and the racist agenda from the white adults, I am hopeful this case will not fall by the wayside.
In particular is the visual of the young female teen, she is so slight in size and looks so
vulnerable in her bathing suit with the cop on top of her in such a violent manner and for no
good reason...it is truly sickening to watch.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts) yes - it's sickeningJefferson23
(30,099 posts)With the ease of e-mails I can send my elected reps clips like this, and I do.
I want congressional hearings on this subject..it is completely out of control
for too long. The one advantage to the records, document, document, document,
makes it harder for anyone with half a brain to deny what has gone on.
Police unions are a problem too, you hear about how these remedies must be
state and locally challenged..well there is too much corruption and justice
becomes even more elusive for the victims.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)State Police in tactical gear standing on the street corner.
Then I found out - they profiled two Hispanic teens.
Then I found out - our local police intervened on their behalf.
This is a community of kids who drive Benzs - too much time and money equals a heroin problem in our school.
The police know our kids - because they have to. They see all of our kids as human beings.
If this officer had one iota of empathy - he wouldn't have done that to that girl.
Empathy is humanity.
And I question the humanity of any poster who doesn't have empathy and concern for the physical and emotional well being of that 14/15 year old on the ground. She walked away and he grabbed her like a monster and threw her on the ground.
He's an absolute monster.
If that hurts folks feelings - well they are lying. They don't have feelings/empathy when they smirk at the weak being harmed.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)and heart may bring change..I hope so. Yet we must all be vigilant, always and set
expectations for officers, nationally. They're suppose to protect and serve.
Glad to hear yours do their job.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)FourScore
(9,704 posts)On one video the cop is heard thanking the kids for returning something he dropped. Two other cops ran between the kids he pulled a gun on and the guy with the gun.
They're not "bad cops" and to say so only hurts your image.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)If they were good cops they would have arrested the other cop on the spot.
Failure to immediately arrest the cop who flagrantly and blatantly committed the felony of assault with a deadly weapon makes them bad cops.
Of twelve cops on site, not a damned one of them was a good cop.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)there are no good ones. The Good German defense doesn't work.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)
Atman
(31,464 posts)They say the "several" nearby residents called 911. The emergency which required a call to 911? Some kids didn't have a pool pass! Seriously. They weren't calling about the fight, they started the fight, apparently because there were too many neeeeegroes in their pool.
Look at the neighborhood. Apparently quit well-to-do residents. It reminds me of a city council meeting a attended years ago regarding the city park in our mostly-white neighborhood in mostly-black/Hispanic Springfield, MA. Our park was one of the few in the city which had two well-maintained basketball courts. Any city resident could them, it's a city park. A man wanted the basketball courts closed because black "gangs" gathered there, although no evidence of gang activity was ever witnessed or reported. Another audience member pointed out to him that ten black guys on the basketball might not have been "gangs," more likely a basketball game. Got lots of laughs, but it's sad the way it pointed out the racism of the complainer. Ten white guys playing ball would have just been considered a demonstration of how successful the park was.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)The movie set in the 60's was about a woman who murdered her abusive husband by putting rat poison in his coffee, then cut off his head with an electric knife and put it in a Tupperware bowl and drove to Hollywood with it cause she wanted to be a movie star?
The subplot of the movie had racial undertones and in one scene the character Pejoe witnesses the white sheriff murder a young boy by pulling him off a fence he was climbing to get away- and was slammed to the ground and died, all because he got into the community pool. The racist people of that movie decided that rather than share the community pool with the entire community, that no one would use the pool. They filled it in with cement.
This story reminded me of that movie and I find myself wondering what it is that they will do with the pool in that community now.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... is that they lived there!!!
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I couldn't give a rat's ass whether they belonged there or not. Trespassing in a community pool, while illegal, is not sufficient cause to draw your fucking gun, much less beat the shit out of kids.
I live in an apartment complex with a pool. We have perennial problems with teens sneaking in to use the pool. Never has the situation necessitated physical violence.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)
1. It looks like a fight broke out between the one African American and a white woman, this was broken up by two African Americans males AND the one white woman, who push the other woman away from the fight as the African Americans males pulled the African American Girl from the fight. The down side is that white woman seems to have made comments to the African American Girl as she pulled the other white woman from the fight.
2. The Police then shows up and decides to minimize the fighting by telling all of the African Americans to sit down on the grass. It appears the white men were NOT told to do so, but it also appears none of them participated in the fight.
Now, given those observations, lets critique the actions of the Police Officers.
A. There were told a fight had broken out and I suspect it was a report saying African Americans had started the fight.
B. The police went into the fight to suppress the fight and told everyone to stand down. It appears the white males all obeyed this order, it appears that the FEMALE African American kept on arguing with the officers.
C. The African Americans who did as told, i.e. to sit on the grass, were NOT handcuffed, but those African Americans who did NOT sit on the grass were handcuffed.
Sorry, the Police are trained to end violence and threats of violence and are permitted to use FORCE to do so. If a police officer tells you to do something, you MUST obey his orders, if not that is a violation of the law. You can only disobey a police order if it would result in death of severe bodily injury, otherwise it is in the courts are where any improper orders are to be addressed NOT in the streets.
I hate to say this it appears the African American 19 year old woman was still mad about being in a fight with the white women. The African American Woman had NOT calmed down by the time the Police arrived, the white woman disappears (I would not be surprised her husband or the other white woman took her home to get out of the mess). The 19 year old continues on her rage, this time complaining to the Officers, and then something happens that causes the police to arrest her. I suspect the Officers told her to be quite and she did not and yelled at the officers.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Cop aplogists have no place on DU, IMO.
The cops were racist. Not one of the twelve cops on site was a good cop. All of them belong in prison.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)I saw nothing in the actions of the Police that shows anything but attempts to control the situation. NO excessive force, no use of firearms (one was said to be pulled, but I did not see it in my review of the video, but I was looking at the interactions of the officers and people NOT they weapons so I might have missed it).
Remember the white women that started this mess are no where to be seen once the Police arrived. They had left, and thus no longer a concern for the Police. The Police do NOT enforce the laws, they keep the peace, If something violent happens, it is up to the District Attorney to bring Criminal Charges NOT the police and the DA will only do so when someone files a complaint in their office. Thus once the police arrived they job was to maintain the peace and they can use whatever FORCE the Police deemed necessary to do so.
When ever you deal with the Police follow the following rules:
1. Obey any orders they give. You can ONLY disobey a police officer if what the officers tells you to do will cause you or someone else death or great bodily harm.
2. DO not argue with the officer, even if you believe what the officer is doing is illegal. The better choice is to record it and present the recording to the DA NOT argue with the police.
3. If the officers ask any question, answer the question in a calm voice, avoid arguing with the officer. Arguments belong in front of a Judge where each side can present their side, NOT on the streets when the Officer is under pressure to keep the peace.
4. If you are angry, calm down, tell the officer you are upset and can not talk to him or her right then and there. This is often the hardest thing to do, and a lot of people get caught up in the heat of the moment and thus take a long while to calm down. In this case it looks like the 19 year old African American female was attacked by two older white females and was still upset with the attack when the police arrived. The police actually left her alone for a few minutes, but it appears she never calmed down OR walked away from the point in confrontation (unlike the two white females who apparently walked back to their home).
Police are trained to keep the peace NOT arrest people for crimes people may have done while NOT in the presence of the Police. Yes police do arrest people for crimes, but that is a secondary duty for most police (the primary duty of most non inner city police are to give tickets, so the Police can be funded by the tickets they give out). Inner city police and officially most other police department (state, county and suburban police tend to prioritize tickets) primary job is to keep the peace and most of their training is gear to that activity NOT arresting criminals.
Sorry, you may think I an apologizing for the Police, I am not. Instead I am pointing out the officers did as they are trained to do, go to an area where a the peace is being broken and restore Peace to that community. If that requires the use of Force, Police have the power and right to use Force. You may NOT like it, but that is what the Police appears to be doing in the videos tied in with this thread.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The cops detained ONLY BLACK PEOPLE.
The people who committed a crime were white.
Ergo, the COPS ARE ALL RACIST THUGS!
And now, I click ignore on the cop apologist.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)"officers did as they are trained to do, go to an area where a the peace is being broken and restore Peace to that community".
No. They didn't. Or at least that one didn't. He was cursing, throwing kids around, kneeling his full weight on the back of a teen, pulled his gun on others.
"I saw nothing in the actions of the Police that shows anything but attempts to control the situation. NO excessive force, no use of firearms."
Watch the video again and come back and tell me his actions were appropriate and did not escalate the situation. Tell me he "restored peace".
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)I can't believe he pulled that weapon. There is no excuse for that as far as I can see.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)But DU cop apologia never will.
Ino
(3,366 posts)He's chasing someone at the beginning, holding his gun. I think he tripped over tree roots (which you can see visibly sticking up), rolled on the ground, continued running... all holding a gun. The other cop running with him was not waving a gun around.
While manhandling the girl, he sees two guys walking up, decides they are "sneaking up" on HIM. He gets up, pulls his gun out and chases them. It looks like two other cops try to head off psycho cop -- or maybe help him -- one of them grabbing his shoulder. Psycho cop shoves that cop away from him. The other two cops do not pull their guns out.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)And I hate to say this, most police are trained to go to their pistol if things gets out of hand. That the officer touched him was to reassure him that he had backup, that the officer then shoves the other officer away indicates that the officer had saw himself in danger by being surrounded.
Sorry, it reinforces my position that the officer saw himself in danger and did as he was trained to do in such situations.
Now, I am one of those persons who believe no Police Officer should carry a Pistol till he or she has at least five years experiences on the street. They have to be able to defend themselves without resorting to weapons, even if that means calling in back up and waiting for back up. You be surprise how well you can defend yourself with a billy club, if given the training with a billy club AND not having a pistol (the use of a billy club generally prevents the use of a pistol, and a pistol in the hand prevents the use of a billy club).
We need to make sure Police are trained in ways to end confrontations without the resort to firearms. A Five year period where they have to do just that will carry over to the rest of their career. It will reduce killings by police officers more then any other proposed program.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)No. The other cop grabbed him to stop him from killing teens by shooting them. The other 2 cops ran up to him to stop him, not reassure him.
I am sure you have read by now of the other cops who say asscop was wrong. I am sure you have read by now that he is on leave, removed from duty, with the Top Cop being "very concerned" about his behavior.
This guy had many years on the street, even taught at their police academy so your "5 yrs on the street before carrying a pistol" would not have done anything here.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Don't let your muscles get all out of wack doing that much stretching!
The lengths some cop apologists go to. Pretzels aren't so twisted!
Ino
(3,366 posts)"that the officer then shoves the other officer away indicates that the officer had saw himself in danger by being surrounded"
That is ridiculous mind-reading!
And not a word from you about his running, tripping, rolling with a gun. What was "out of hand" then... besides himself? Where was the danger to the poor psycho cop then?
Were the other cops negligent for not having pulled their weapons out? Was their training below par?
All this gun waving that you didn't see during your "review" of the video. All the acrobatic contortionist apologetics you are indulging in. Rather pathetic.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)failed miserably.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I'm thinking Tim Hortons or Dunkin Donuts. You can feel safe working there and still have all the free coffee and donuts you want. It's a win for you and a win for the community.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)At the same time I have had SOME training in Crowd control and arresting people (Not as extensive as the Police, but enough to give me an idea of what to do and the problems involved). The use of Force is NEVER pretty and the arresting of someone who does NOT want to be arrested requires the use of force, and more likely then not involved knocking that person to the ground so they can be secured by handcuffs or other means of detention. In the movies it looks easy, in real life a lot more dangerous and a lot more force is used then in the movies and on TV.
The video shows an Officer facing some sort of high intensity violent situation (which is unclear in the video, appears to be tension left over from the early fight between two women) and the officers doing what they could to calm down the situation by getting people to leave AND to arrest people they THINK may be involved.
The officers did NOT have access to the earlier video of the two women fighting, but I suspect they had radio reports of a fight in the pool, and that it involved "Black Gangs" (The 911 recording would have records of what was told to the officers about the incident and we have NOT heard them). Police know that such reports are inaccurate but it indicates something was up and they had to be on top of the situation as soon as they arrived. They arrived and something happened, a part of which was catch on video.
Many police cars have video today, so that would be another source of video, through without sound (most video recorders for officer avoid the issue of audio taping of people without their permission, which is illegal in many states, by using videos without audio capacity). I do not see any body cams so that will not be a source of video.
My comments is on the use of violence, which is RESERVED TO THE POLICE UNDER THE LAW. The use of violence is NEVER PRETTY, even in training it looks bad. My review of the video seems to show the police trying to take charge of a bad situation and the people the police believe are the most involved (African Americans) not cooperating with the police (The middle age whites males seems to be in the way, but NOT arguing with the police officers and not yelling at the officers, the white middle age males are there, but like the trees ignored by the police for the police do not see them as the problem).
The sole exception appears to be Skip Davis, the Craig Ranch Community Manager who appears to be around the police officer. He is the overweight man dressed in causal clothes in the videos. It appears that the Officers know him and him the Officers. Thus he is permitted to walk around for technically he is the man on the grounds the Police have to work with.
Sorry, I do not fear my neighbors, and I live in an inner city neighborhood. I am just commenting on the actions of the Police based on their training and what is expected of them in the law enforcement community.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)This did not occur in an impoverished urban neighborhood and there were clearly no gangs.The only violence that officer walked into was in his own damn head. The young lady he assaulted was not committing acts of violence. He told her to get going and when he didn't like how she responded to his orders, he attacked. There was no attempt on his part to speak with any of the people there including "the helpful fat man." No, he screamed, yelled, assaulted and pulled his gun on clearly unarmed youths.
By the time he put his freaking donuts down and arrived on the scene, the white bigots who started the mess by making racial slurs and slapping a teenager had finished up their fight and fled like common cowardly white trash, so he didn't even have that dangerous situation on his hands. More importantly, no other cop there behaved in the manner as the assaulting officer did which also goes to show he was in the wrong.
The SOB in the jean shorts was instrumental in perpetuating the violence along with the other two women and aided he the cop committing it. I suspect when lawyers get done with him, he'll no longer be the "Craig Ranch Community Manager".
I find your defense of what the officer did pathetic especially since he admitted himself that his behavior was out of line and resigned.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)
https://news.vice.com/article/video-shows-texas-cop-drawing-gun-and-pulling-teenage-girls-hair-while-breaking-up-pool-party
About 2 1/2 min he chases the girl who is walking away like he ordered, drags her back and throws her to the ground. Right after the 3 minute mark he pulls his gun.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)the super cop running in making a ridiculous tactical tuck and roll pulling his gun out to threaten the teenagers. If you don't see excessive force in that I don't trust your ability to identify excessive force.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Sorry, it looked to me like he just FELL but did a speedy recovery,
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)The Woman the Officer is arresting is objecting to the arrest, a couple of other African Americans females run up to object. The white civilian then stretches out his arms to push them all away from the Officer and the woman he was handcuffing. Two men then approach from the officers right and get within a foot of the officer. At that point FROM THE OFFICER'S PROSPECTIVE, he was surrounded about to be attacked, thus pulling the gun can be justified. Two other officers quickly appeared and the two males leave the area, The officer then points the pistol to the ground. The officer who had pulled his pistol then goes back to the woman he had been handcuffing and holsters his pistol and finished handcuffing her.
For purposes of any CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF THE OFFICER, you must view the situation from his PROSPECTIVE. Was he about to be set on by the people who were all around him? If that was the case he had the right to self defense and thus the right to pull his pistol. That everyone back down AND two other officers appears shows the period of problem quickly disappeared, but for that few seconds, the officer could have thought his life was endangered and that by itself is grounds for him to pull his weapon.
Remember the officer has NO duty to retreat, he does have a duty to preserve the peace and he has the right to do so in the manner he thinks most fit. Now, if he had been trained differently, then he can be terminated, but I suspect he did as he was trained thus no liability.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Through your words you have truly revealed what you are.
Now all of DU can see it for themselves.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)peace.
I mean, wtf?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Who were trying to obey his commands and GTFO.
Seriously fucked up shit there.
By their words they shall out themselves.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)didn't follow his orders to walk away. Oh wait, the 14 yr old did walk away and he ran after her after she was at the edge of the camera viewer to drag her back and throw her down and cuff her for...what?
The Woman. Surrounded.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)the cop apologia have little to use to excuse the abuse.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)doing at all. And "The Woman" is a 14 year old girl who was doing as he told her, walking away. Then he got mad, ran after her and dragged her back. Calling her "The Woman" is a not very ingenious attempt at making her look the the bad person here.
This is NOT "surrounded". Surrounded means to be all around someone, not in front or to the side.
http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2250585.1433780859!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/bikini9n-2-web.jpg
The 2 teens ran away, he chased after them pointing his gun, these other 2 cops stepped up and one of them grabbed bad cop's shoulder to stop him. Good thing these other 2 cops stopped him or he might have continued to chase them and maybe shoot someone.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mckinney-texas-cop-who-pulled-gun-pool-party-meets-investigators-n371721
happyslug
(14,779 posts)In such a situations, if both sides CONTINUED to do what they had been doing, the Officer would have been in a tactically impossible situation. That is the definition of being "Surrounded". Sorry, the officer had to fight or flight and he decided to "fight" by pulling his pistol. Everyone backed off at that point, but that was the situation facing the officer.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
Oh man. I hop EVERY DUer reads that!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Did he really say "evil viscious children"?
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)Did he assault and arrest a woman also? I missed that part.
I only saw him brutalize the 14 year old girl.
Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts) heaven05
(18,124 posts)does NOT want to see the obvious. They're more comfortable creating fantasy scenarios to feel safe with. The kids were the problem with that one and no else can see the truth of all those "thugs" threatening that poor cop.
they were POC and excessive force was used unnecessarily. If you can't see that it's because you don't want to and that's disturbing.. period.
stage left
(2,962 posts)Then kneel with all whole their weight on her back after stomping around yelling like an uncivilized savage at everyone of color to get their asses on the ground? Really? If so, it's terrible training and it's an outrage that citizens have to pay for such horrible, brutal, over the top, indefensible behavior from those who are supposed to protect and serve. .
happyslug
(14,779 posts)That is how people are TAUGHT to make an arrest, secure the person you are arresting first. The preference is against a wall (or a car) with them leaning on the wall, thus if they cause any problems, the officer can kick a leg from underneath them and knock them to the ground. On TV and the Movies this position looks a lot more nature then it really is, the officer wants the arrested to be leaning with some weight of the wall, not just your hands touching a wall.
Several years ago an African American was arrested by a Suburban Pittsburgh Police officer who kneel him till he stopped moving, the Judge ruled that the use of force was justified, even through the reason the person arrested stopped moving, was he had died do to lack of the ability to breath do to the officer's knee was on his back.
If you read the actual cases, the courts give grant discretion of how police perform their duties and thus my comment that I did not see anything that could not be justified in front of a Judge.
stage left
(2,962 posts)I am convinced that it would not have gone down this way if the girl had been a white teenager. And nothing on earth can unconvince me.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Remember we have to adopt the Average non-racist police officer position and was it "reasonable" for the Officer to do what he did. Given the video does NOT show what happened between the time the woman arrested walked out of the view of the Camera, and the officer chased after her, was the actions of the officer "Excessive"?
That few seconds out of the camera view is the key to any justification for the arrest and the Officer manhandling of the woman. If she had been white, what she did MAY not have cause the officer to go after her, but we have to ASSUME, that even if she had been white, the officer would have chased her had she done the same thing that the white officer thought this African American Female did. Given that PRESUMPTION, was the action of the officer excessive? Or was it within reasonable expectations of what an officer is expected to do in similar situations?
Yes I suspect racism came into play, but unless we can clearly show it was a factor, the law assumes it was NOT a factor. Thus we return to the issue, was the Officer's actions excessive? We need to know WHY the officer wanted to arrest the female, and so far I have NOT heard of any reason for the arrest (and that may be the reason he resigned, he had no reasons for the arrest, my comments were limited to what can be seen in the video as he arrested her, and those actions could be justified as his use of force to keep the peace. What she did that caused the officer to chase after her is off camera and thus may or may NOT be justifiable reasons for his actions.
stage left
(2,962 posts)You feel that he had justification. I doubt we'll ever reach a point of agreement. He's resigned and I hope he's now infamous enough that no other department will hire him. I also hope that he is arrested for use of excessive force against an unarmed 14 year old female. Your hopes may differ.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Basically, in a court of law, can his actions be viewed as legitimate law enforcement actions? And I then pointed out they can be, Police are permitted to use whatever force they believe is necessary to keep the peace. The burden is on the accuser that the Officer actions were not justified given the circumstances, it is NOT up to the officer to justify his actions.
Coming in hard to put down a fight would be justified and his actions could have been attacked at taking to long if he did not move quickly. Thus charging in like a Bull may be what is called for under the circumstances.
As to the 14 year old female, I do NOT know why he went after her, that is all off camera, but once he did and both of them reappeared on the Video, his actions was one of a police officer putting someone under arrest by first securing her. His actions cause four other people to approach him, from two different sides, apparently objecting to the arrest. It is only as the two males comes within two feet of the officer (and maybe one foot) is when the officer steps back and goes for his pistol (after at least once missing his holster). When the two males back off, he points the weapon to the ground.
I have reviewed the arrest again, WHY the officer arrested the 14 year old female is unclear, but she kept on "resisting" his arrest and that is enough to justify his use of force on her. As the officer forces her to the ground, two females runs up to the officer and the 14 year old, the two males run up, on his opposite side. At that point he had the RIGHT to pull his pistol, IF HE BELIEVE he was in danger (and that many people on two sides is enough to put the officer in danger).
This is a bad situation that the police were called for and the police handle it the best they could (as per their training). At the end of the video the Officer says (paraphrased), "you will stay here till we figure out what is happening here". i.e. the Police officer did not know what had been going on, who to blame etc, the first thing they did was to end the conflict and then resolve other issues.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... instead of just lashing out like that.
You seem very wound up about this one. Maybe a breather would help...
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)You've outted your beliefs here well.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)If you are honest, that list will only show my belief in not leaping to conclusions.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Clear for all to see.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)It's tough to produce when asked to put your attacks in a clear , logical and honest manner it seems.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
Solomon
(12,310 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)in regard to "all" cops. He obviously has an anti-police agenda.
This particular incident certainly seems like a very bad reaction on the part of the police, but the OP is always quick to jump on any hint of police misbehavior.
(no doubt I will now be attacked; the OP does not like any other posters to disagree with him, so I have noticed.)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I know, it's shocking! Police don't get to detain people (ie. sit on the grass) just because there's more melanin in their skin.
Now, where were the white people sitting on the grass?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)There is one large white male that seems to be helping the Officers, but the rest of the white males are walking away from the area where the police are. The whites are NOT running, so if an officers tells them to stop they can, but there are leaving. It also appears to be the case with some of the African Americans. In fact the 19 year old female African American is permitted to walk around till she appears to argue with an officer.
It might be the officers just saw dark skins are the source of the troubles, but the actions can be explained by the simple fact the African Americans were much younger then the Whites in the videos and thus saw a trouble-making teens not African Americans and the whites as middle age adults long past the age where they cause trouble (Yes Age discrimination as oppose to race discrimination).
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So, fleeing the scene of the felony assault they committed. And that's just fine.
See, the 19-year-old is also permitted to argue with an officer. At least, she is legally permitted to do so despite the police officer going ballistic when it happened.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)The officer told them, they were under arrest for getting up with a lot of other people after he had told all of them to lay down in the grass, but the rest escaped but they were caught. Sorry, that is the law, if an officer tells you to do something, you MUST obey that order. If the order is illegal that can be challenged in court, but NOT on the street.
As to the "Felony Assault" the VIDEOS only show the tell end of the all women fight, not how it started thus we have only the report of one African American Female that said it was an attack on the 19 year old African American (That is NOT to say it is untrue, but that is all we have in evidence at the present time).
Furthermore people are under the LEGAL DUTY TO AVOID CONFRONTATION, thus they have not only the right but THE DUTY to leave. In simple terms the white women leaving the scene is not only legal but required in most cases.
AS to the 19 year old's arrest, it is unclear WHY she was arrested, but interfering with a Law Enforcement Officer in performance of his duties appears to apply. Don't argue with the Police, wait to go in front of a Judge to do such argument.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)WASHINGTON -- When Miles Jai Thomas arrived at a party at the Craig Ranch North Community Pool in McKinney, Texas, on Friday night, the pool was open to everyone -- until a security guard showed up and removed black partygoers from the area.
“Then he started making up rules to keep us out,” Thomas, 15, told The Huffington Post.
A white woman at the pool started making racist comments, Thomas said, such as telling black teens at the party to get used to the bars outside the pool because that’s all they were going to see.
Grace Stone, 14, who is white, told BuzzFeed News that she and friends objected to an adult woman making racist comments to other teens at the party and that the woman turned violent. ...................(more)
So it is not true that "we have only the report of one African American Female that said it was an attack on the 19 year old African American (That is NOT to say it is untrue, but that is all we have in evidence at the present time). "
jeff47
(26,549 posts)No, sorry. There is no requirement that you must obey a police officer in all situations. As much as you want there to be such a law.
Golly, it is such a surprise that you are lying about this.
There are other videos, and statements by other people at the pool. Instead of taking such statements and acting, the cop decided to tackle and detain the black people.
So when did the laws against fleeing the scene of a crime get repealed? Also, why is the cop interfering with the LEGAL DUTY of the black people to leave?
Or perhaps you are being utterly incoherent.
Boy, you're in for a rude awakening when you get out of your enclave.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your imagination certainly and creatively edits the obvious into anything other than the obvious. However, I understand we all of us need to feed our biases one way or another.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)her to do. Walk away. Or rather, get your asses out of here. Did you not notice her doing that, walking almost out of camera range? Then asscop runs after her and drags her back to throw on the ground.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... the cop at the time so it was time to stop her and apprehend her.
He did it in the worst way
The white people, including the white male in the beige shirt, were not told to leave by the racist Rambocop
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)he certainly laid hands on them which he had no legal right to do, usually when creeps that much older are laying hands on young girls (whatever the excuse of the moment) there is some perversion buried deep within the mind while they are doing it.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Certainly makes it appear as if you are trying to make them sound scary.
Being "surrounded" by children in bikinis and unarmed young boys in swimsuits is not as dangerous to the depraved Caucasian Male Sociopath as you are attempting to paint.
I find you rather disgusting actually, I wish you would use a bad word so that you could be kicked off of here for something the amins care about rather than your shitty attempts to defend the indefensible by misrepresenting children as scary black thugs (perhaps that may turn into demons) which appears to be perfectly acceptable here.
Fuck off - it's worth the hide to say that to someone that should be kicked out of here rather than some decent people that have been.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)And yet he was treated like no threat at all. That suggests to me that either he was known to the uniformed personnel as one of their own or that the cops perceived no threat from adult white males, even beefy ones with a skinhead who wanted in on the action.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)That made me sick, sick, sick.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... this is racism OVERT racism
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)You would have seen four or five different white guys "assisting" the lunatic cop. They never sat down. They didn't because they weren't told to, just like the cops didn't go after the many white kids at the party.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)That the Officers did not tell the while men to sit down, may be do to prejudice, but the Police can just say that they did not FEAR any of the whites, and all they were concerned with was the people they had been told were causing problems. The white males all look like middle age males, while the African Americans appear to be teens and 20 something. Thus the prejudice may be do to AGE not RACE. I saw some young "White" women, but no young white males. The taker of the video was concerned about the conduct of the officers, so, except for the one female handcuffed, the rest of the women are only seen in the distance.
In fact when the Police officer ran past the Camera, I do NOT see who they are chasing, they are chasing someone, but that is NOT clear in the video.
Sorry, if you want a bad police video this is NOT it, you can question the Police officers actions, but in my opinion I saw NOTHING that is not the result of training.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)The teen kept following and filming, even after being told to go away. The big man never stood down but got into the middle of the altercation, shoving some of the teens.
Why was only the one cop screaming, cursing, physically assaulting the teens, drawing his gun on them? Why only the one?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)As to the large person, he gives me the impression he is a security guard or is known to the police. The Police do NOT view him or the video taker as a threat, and that is a decision left up to the Police under the law.
Since neither person were TOLD to do anything, they did NOT disobey a Police Officer. That they were white and the others were African Americans may be the result of racial prejudice but it could be the result of other factors. i.e. the Officers did NOT see the need to order them to do anything. You can ask why, but that is to be done in front of a Judge not on the Street.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)view them as threats. He told the video taker to go away in a calm voice, and he didn't which is good because he continued to film it. He yelled "get your asses" across the street at the black and hispanic kids, then "get your asses on the ground" while pulling them around.
The big man was ignored, obviously not a threat like a skinny teenager in a bikini.
How was the girl walking away AS HE ORDERED such a threat he had to run to grab her, drag her back, throw her down and kneel with both knees on her back while screaming at her?
Odd, isn't it?
"That they were white and the others were African Americans may be the result of racial prejudice but it could be the result of other factors. i.e. the Officers did NOT see the need to order them to do anything. "
Uh huh. The only kids grabbed were black and hispanic. The only kids he threw around were black and hispanic. The only people he viewed as a threat were black and hispanic. The only kids cussed at were black and hispanic. The ones talked to, not screamed at, were white.
Odd, isn't it, that that over reacting cop saw the need to ONLY scream at and physically throw about the black and hispanic kids even though they were hanging out with and acting the same as the white kids. That is a very good example of racism, right there.
brush
(53,784 posts)black teenage girls in the face?
So your whole long post is based on an erroneous premise.
Get the story right before dispensing cop apologist judgments.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)My comment was limited to the video of the incident NOT what people said what happened.
brush
(53,784 posts)maybe talked to people instead of just going after only the black kids?
THE SHORT COP ESCALATED THE SITUATION TEN-FOLD with his racist assumptions that only the black people were at fault.
It's all right there in the video — his cursing at the black kids, his cuffing the black teenage boys, his threats to arrest other black teens, his egregious manhandling and taking to the ground of the teenage girl and then the drawing his gun and chasing after other black teenagers (only to be stopped by the two sensible officers).
The short cop did none of that to the many whites who were around, including the big guy in the denim shorts or the white teen videoing the whole thing.
There are no excuses for this out-of-control behavior so pls stop making them. That short, loose cannon cop does not have the disposition or patience to ascertain what's going on and to deescalate a situation and thus should not be entrusted with a gun.
Fire his ass!
(Glad my 4000th post was on a worthwhile subject — Black lives and Black teenagers rights matter)
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Tends to make us mad.
You've never been called one - right?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)for police brutality and racism.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Why does this not surprise me though?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Have faith.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)for the oppressed classes of white people and police.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The anti-white and anti-cop oppressions simply must stop!
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Hasn't showed up yet. Waiting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Has bird migration season ended in New Mexico?
heaven05
(18,124 posts) Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)You are part of the problem.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)
valerief
(53,235 posts)to racist America.
Those poor kids. Friggin' racists won't even let them have a pool party in their own home.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but the white woman who instigated the incident and her cronies are evident for all to see, especially the man in blue and tan who never identifies himself as a cop but is allowed to man handle children never the less
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:37 PM - Edit history (2)
I called the city mayor, the city manager, the general nmbr and finally I called the County Clerk's office.
Finally someone answered the phone. The woman i spoke to said she had not heard about it and expressed concern that i was not getting anything but voice mail.
The video is horrific. I did also call the police dept and was told it is under investigation. My response to the young lady tbere was no need for the officer to be placed on leave, he needs to be fired, RIGHT NOW!!
Update:
I just spoke with someone in the City Mgr/Mayor's office. I expressed my concerns and sbe assured me the city is in an uproar and many meetings and conversations are being held
I told her the problem as I see it across the country are too many vets are coming home and being hired by law enforcement. They behave as if they are still in a war zone and WE are tbe enemy.
Tbe woman i spoke with agreed wirh me and told me my concerns were hers as well......
We shall see....
The number is 972 -547-7510
Please call them, i think tbey may be listening. ...
One can hope.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)So you're blowing bullshit.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Not saying with certainty that one side or the other is blameless but one segment of video doesn't show what happened before or after.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)"thing I've heard." Is this the sort of cop you want protecting you???
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... Doesn't have anything to with what the teens did at the beginning that required the police to be called.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Don't do it.
Don't be like me.
I believe his intent was positive at one time too.
But all things reveal themselves in good time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)How utterly typical...
In Case Anyone Is Wondering:
^Up http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1109455 ^
It's an acceptable response to the poster. These are his words to another DUer- I thought it was fitting in this case. All I did was c/p. No attack, doesn't break TOS, etc. etc.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)The wicked police got in their machine, zipped back to the past and caused the hullabaloo that resulted in police being called?
Did you respond to the incorrect post perhaps?
How is it a leap to conclusions to make the logical statement that whatever actions the police took upon their arrival did not influence the activities that resulted in their call in the first place?
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)You tell me. Was that what you were suggesting?
Explain it to me oh great conservative maaaaaaaan!
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Unless you are suggesting that effects now come before causes...
I can check your work before you post it if you like... Feel free to send them to my inbox and I'll run over it later tonight...
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)That's so nice to offer.
You are just - wonderful. Gonna bake me a pie later?
My friend - your posts - not just on this thread - Are very telling. Advanced search is interesting.
I know you. I KNOW you. . And so does everyone else.
You are good. But so was AverageJoe
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)... Is that it doesn't show everything.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Show me where the black kids attacked.
I guess you don't need any video evidence of that and that video evidence that contradicts your belief "doesn't show everything".
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts) . . . Never ever believes a cop shooting someone or taking out their gun was wrong.
There is a group at DU that by the time they get done with the girl in the bikini -
Will actually believe (it's the way their minds workd) she was 300 pounds, 7 feet tall, wearing shit kicking boots, and armed with several guns and a few loosies - and some of those cigarellos.
You wait - it's coming.
That itty bitty girl in a bikini will be made into a foaming at the mouth violent thug!
There's one more - it's the N.H. person who ONLY is concerned with the criminal activities of minorities. Can't wait to see their post later!
This shit reminds of how I used to laugh at the Benny Hill show! MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The racists come out in droves.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)He's just a law and order type.
That's a little harsh you know.
Pssst - In the words of MLK - I can't wait to see Jurassic world this summer!
Pssst - They will start quoting MLK next.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I find this one of his most poignant statements on the subject:
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)It's class. If these kids were millionaires this wouldn't have happened.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)it was racism. It's still class because stuff!
I get what the racists are pushing.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)The officer that pulled his gun -
Is helping to raise a new generation of bigoted assholes... ... With victim hood and the expectation of others to accommodate them an integral part of their existence. Setting race and gender relations back decades...
He can't make a single argument to what I wrote and he knows why he can't.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If it's an assault on a black teenager, well we didn't see everything.
Convenient.
frylock
(34,825 posts)all we have to go off is the video. What you're doing is creating all kinds of hypothetical scenarios to justify what happened.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)It also shows a third woman, who appears to be pulling the other white woman away from the African American Woman, but saying something to the African American woman and slapping at the African American as the second white woman is pulling the other white woman from the fight.
The fight also shows two African American Males pulling the African American female from the same fight.
That is ALL the video shows. The Video does NOT show who attacked whom. I suspect the white woman but that is suspicion not fact (And that is based on the relative position of both woman, generally the person with the "Superior" position was the one who attacked first, and that was the white woman before the fight was broken up). The problem is suspicion is NOT Fact and in criminal law you need FACTS that support a conviction beyond a Reasonable Doubt. I just do NOT see that here.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What is your source for hearing the teens attacked? I imagine it will be a less-than-specific answer.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Let him get all up in his feelings.
See my post above. It's true -
I've got 7 DUer's who I can't wait to see them convince us that girl in the bikini was like Mike Tyson sized with a few guns on her person.
There's NO WAY they can excuse what that cop did to that girl. No way.
Just let folks get up in their feelings.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Facebook friends and family – PLEASE HELP! That (now viral) video of the officer in McKinney subduing a girl in a bathing suit was in OUR neighborhood. The situation was NOT what is being reported…
A DJ setup in a public space next to the private pool in our neighborhood on Friday and played loud explicit (F-bomb) music for multiple hours (it is unclear if he was invited by a resident as no one has claimed responsibility). The teenagers (both black and white) were being brought into our neighborhood by the carload because the DJ was tweeting out invites to a “pool party” for $15 (obviously unauthorized by our neighborhood). The teens began fighting with each other and pushing their way into our private pool. Some were jumping our fence. The security guard was accosted when he tried to stop the beginnings of this mob scene. Some residents who live around the park/pool area tried to come out and settle things down. The teens started yelling racial slurs at our neighbors and started assaulting people and property (throwing bottles at cars and attacking a mother at the pool with 3 young children). The first officer on the scene was by himself. At that time, the party had grown to a large, aggressive crowd. As the officer arrived, many teens started running through our neighborhood. Many of the teens were being very aggressive and yelling at the officers as more arrived.
This was a very dangerous situation for the officers AND the teens/residents not involved. The news media has refused to hear the neighborhood’s side of this story. The video being distributed is only a very small segment of what happened. This information being distributed by the media and others is extremely distorted and in some cases outright lies.
PLEASE HELP US STOP THE BROADCASTING OF THIS IGNORANCE. The media is trying to make it look like our neighborhood is a white’s only, racist area. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes in our area knows this is an outright LIE.
The unfortunate result is that our neighbors are now being threatened. We have also had cars and property in and around the park area vandalized this weekend. Unfortunately, the press and social media are trying to enflame the situation.
I am asking for your help for my family and my neighbor’s safety…PLEASE, PLEASE do not rebroadcast any of these lies.
Link: https://www.facebook.com/MCQuattrin/posts/10153334459553361
I curiously scanned the "shares" of that post. Lots of people spamming it all over the place, seemingly a sense of "white justification" and a lot of "not so innocent kids!" stuff.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Nothing during the event.
Not buying it.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It sickens me that he's originally from MI.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The YouTube user “decase73,” which is the same handle Casebolt used on his now-deleted Twitter account and elsewhere on social media, added the video of the pool party incident to his YouTube list “police training.”
The playlist includes dashcam footage of a brawl involving Arizona police, a video of the Milwaukee police chief talking called “Chief Tells the Truth Black People Don’t Want to Hear” and one titled “Man Sucker-Punches Cop Gets Kicked in the Face.”
discussion section is still up https://www.youtube.com/user/decase73/discussion
They_Live
(3,233 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)
then where's that video of the DJ playing his F-bomb music and casing havoc and mayhem?
Huh? Nobody could pull their phone out to record that part? Odd.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)One look at his FB page is all I need.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)...then why was the "mother and her three young children" there, in the pool, for most of it?
This FB post seems way more about gossiping neighbors than anything making sense.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)There was no reason for that gun to be pulled, no reason for that one ass cop to act like he did.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)housing.
UGHHHH!!!
Trying to tell White people that racism STILL exists is like pulling teeth!
It's not CLASS! It's RACE!!!!!!!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)#WhitePrivilege is being able to call the police to help to win a fight YOU started by using racial slurs and knowing they'll protect you.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)They showed a tape of white police officers drawing guns on unarmed children in a suburban neighborhood and pointing their guns at kids. It looked crazy, like the cops were out of control. The 14 year old black girl was in a bikini when a white officer pulled her down, pulled on her hair, and slammed her face into the ground. The President of the Texas NAACP was on and host Ashley Banfield asked him what proof he had that the actions of the white cops were racially motivated. For a journalist who has reported on story after story about cops acting like murdering criminals against unarmed black people you would think she might have completely lost her memory and her mind.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Proof:
White people were allowed to mill about without being told to "walk away...NOW... or you're going with them."
The video-taker was white and was allowed to casually stroll about taking video...
The need to pull a freaking gun out on a group of young teens.
I could go on for Ashley, but I doubt it matters...
Oneironaut
(5,500 posts)(Yes, extreme sarcasm)
I really hate people some times.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)
I HATE when scumbag start shit, authorities called, then the victim(s) get punished.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)White Privilege is being able to call the police to help to win a fight YOU started by using racial slurs and knowing they'll protect you.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Absolutely sickening. Enraging. Anyone who doesn't see the fact of white privilege, (or other conferred privilege like male privilege) has got to be purely guarding their own privilege.
Karia
(176 posts)He was angry because someone who was both Black and female did not show deference.
Btw there is a very good article on Vox sports about Serena Williams; I think the author's points about disgusting attitudes toward Black women's bodies probably apply to that cop's behavior in Texas.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They are voting against their best interests...... I know he's dead but did you see this picture from last year?
AA's are forced to deal with racism every single place they go in life. Discussion boards, newspapers, the grocery, their own homes. I don't care if it is a place considered to be progressive or their own bedrooms. These comments are so damaging. When it comes to AAs one thing is clear, how quick can we lay blame on the victims themselves.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I watched the video after I read the comments and it's so much worse than I thought. The kids in addition to doing nothing wrong actually handled the situation the best way possible and they still had hell rain down on them. They had adult supervision and they used their words, which is what my daughter always says to me when I am angry, "mom, use you words." And none of those words were even cuss words, which IMO it wouldn't be wrong to cuss those racist women out, but it would have been escalating even if they have the right to do that. So, they do all the right things even things that should have deescalated the situation and it still blows up. I am just glad no one was shot and that was a real possibility.
And all the racist trolls on here should be ashamed, but I doubt they are they keep pulling the cop apologist bullshit and they get called on it and they have done this on so many other threads I have lost count. And on top of that when their feefees get hurt they hit the alert button. I have a suggestion alert on yourselves for being racist and over the top with your suggestions that cops can do no wrong and if a black teenager is involved they must have deserved it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)They don't think we can see the sum of the many parts over a few years.
Advanced search is amazing.
Remember - AverageJoe90 finally showed his ass - and so will these folks too.
Key - use their own words - they can't alert on you. Was very effective with AJ90.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I keep hearing young men saying sir, trying to figure out what the commands are, trying to retrieve the flashlight etc.
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Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)and any Internet trolls will spin this story to say that the kids were at fault.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Is very uncomfortable with the discussion.
Go up thread a bit - wants us to see it his/her way.
It's creepy - not once is there any empathy for that 14/15 year old girl.
They don't see her as a full human being.
These types are very dangerous. They are dangerous and we have to be vigilant. DU is great cultural anthropology.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)upthread. It doesn't look like there's much hope in convincing that person, if s/he lacks empathy towards the kids and doesn't get it by now.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)All 12 cops were racist? If you watch the video, you see many cops standing around, talking to people. The escalation seems to be the work of one cop. Of course, when things get exciting, they all start running around, chasing the pool party kids.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I stand by my assessment.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Cops are not going to arrest other cops. We know how that works. They may be racist, or not, but their failure to arrest their fellow officer has nothing to do with racism.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There is absolutely ZERO room for compromise on that.
This is why there is no such thing as a "good cop". And people who do not demand the bad cops start being good only compound the problem.
Twelve racist BAD COPS on that scene. Not a single mythical "good cop".
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I think at this point in time, any further denial of the existence of white privilege I hear will be responded to with "bless your little heart... aren't you a special kind of dullard?"
indivisibleman
(482 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts) 
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And the cops are on the violent racists' side!
mainer
(12,022 posts)Anonymous has been asking. The word is, his name is Skip Davis and he's the Craig Ranch Community Manager.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/anonymous-mckinney-police-department-brutality-video/
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)Do you know names of the white women who started the ruckus by attacking first?
tblue37
(65,394 posts)resident. I don't know whether or not the girl the cop attacked is a resident or was a guest. It doesn't matter, of course, since the cop was out of control and behaved outrageously no matter whether he was attacking a resident or a guest, but this is not the girl he assaulted.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The behavior from the cops was inexcusable no matter if they were resident's or not.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Maybe she made some comments, but it looked like she was complying with the asshole cop.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... shirt was allowed to creep around the joint like he was part of Blart Cops crew
C Moon
(12,213 posts)he was needed by the police.
What an a-hole!
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I heard about this, but am just now seeing the clips and pictures for the first time. The whole thing is appalling and the entire department should be investigated. I will be posting something on both of the twitter feed and Facebook pages of the department.
If you have not signed it, I urge you to sign the petition by Color of Change:
http://act.colorofchange.org/sign/fire-officer-eric-casebolt/?t=3&akid=4418.744819.7Pja3U
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Although you only see one cop acting like a drunken deranged asshole, I noticed that none of the other cops, who were calm, did anything to stop him. Not one of them told him to calm down or to stop raging at the kids.
I think that in itself is a bigger problem then the cops that act like soldiers in a war. If other cops are not willing to pull one of their own aside and say " what you are doing is not right" then things will never change.
Not all cops are bad people, in fact I think most are probably decent people, but they allow themselves to be seen as menacing, evil assholes because they do not stop things when they know it is wrong. This goes even beyond race sometimes. We saw it also during Occupy. You could see on the faces of many of the cops that they knew what they were doing was wrong, but they were so afraid of looking bad to their bosses and other cops that they pushed their conscience aside.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... way for one cop to get another cop from doing something illegal or out of control
