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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:14 AM Jun 2015

Will the TPP Kill the Post Office?

Will the TPP Kill the Post Office?

Monday, 08 June 2015 00:00
By Dave Johnson, Campaign for America's Future | Op-Ed


Corporations are notorious for sneaking things into laws and regulations before the public can find out and rally to stop it. And we know from the conservative Supreme Court arguments against the Affordable Care Act that even what amounts to a typo can be used to change the obvious meaning and intent of a law.

These are reasons we need to see the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership before Congress votes to preapprove it with fast track trade promotion authority (TPA). They are pushing what is literally a pig in a poke on us. We the People need to open that bag and have a good, long look inside before fast track buys the TPP pig in our name.

Negotiated in secret by corporate representatives, it is probable that the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is loaded with things the big corporations have snuck in. We already know from leaks that TPP contains provisions allowing companies to sue our government in "corporate courts" if they feel a law or regulation is cutting into their profits. What else is in there?

.....(snip).....

State-Owned Enterprises

The U.S. Trade Representative website says TPP will have "groundbreaking new rules designed to ensure fair competition between state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and private companies."

We are also pursuing pioneering rules to ensure that private sector businesses and workers are able to compete on fair terms with SOEs, especially when such SOEs receive significant government backing to engage in commercial activity.

… Commitments ensuring SOEs act in accordance with commercial considerations and compete fairly, without undue advantages from the governments that own them, while allowing governments to provide support to SOEs that provide public services domestically; and Rules that will provide transparency with respect to the nature of government control over and support for SOEs.


Will TPP enable the privatizers to declare things like our beloved U.S. Postal Service, schools and roads to be "commercial activity" that competes with private companies? How about our parks, libraries, public pensions, and other public services? .........(more)

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/31234-will-tpp-kill-the-post-office




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Will the TPP Kill the Post Office? (Original Post) marmar Jun 2015 OP
No, it won't. MineralMan Jun 2015 #1
So sure about that? Dave Johnson is hardly an alarmist, and he's quite concerned. marmar Jun 2015 #2
Yes, I'm sure about that. MineralMan Jun 2015 #4
Dave Johnson's background is developing computer games. Apparently, he played them too much. Hoyt Jun 2015 #27
how would you know? you seem so absolutely sure. cali Jun 2015 #3
Yes. I am absolutely sure. MineralMan Jun 2015 #5
if you prefer, I'll use the word bromide. you're a veritable fount cali Jun 2015 #6
Your naked assertions aren't worth the time it takes to read them. You have no knowledge of Romulox Jun 2015 #13
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my reply. MineralMan Jun 2015 #17
Just as I said. You have no information about this. It's all bluster, from you. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #21
If it's such a "weak argument" brentspeak Jun 2015 #18
You don't know that. You're defending it reflexively. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #12
The Unins have raised that issue as well nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #24
The long range effects of the TPP are going to be devastating rurallib Jun 2015 #7
Nah. Like NAFTA, the long-term effects would be marginally positive Recursion Jun 2015 #28
I swear, if I hear future Obama say: Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #8
Or the crazed, worst-case-scenrio-no-matter-what speculation is simply FUD. tridim Jun 2015 #10
No, he's not an idiot, and therein lies the problem..... marmar Jun 2015 #14
This post is also FUD. The "monstrosity" you speak of doesn't exist. tridim Jun 2015 #15
The monstrosity is the TPP Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #29
I just can't help seeing the neo-liberal agenda behind this. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #16
The USPS isn't state-owned. jeff47 Jun 2015 #9
Privatization of roads is well underway. KamaAina Jun 2015 #11
that's the ENTIRE POINT for four decades! sell of what's profitable MisterP Jun 2015 #19
USPS is not an SOE Recursion Jun 2015 #20
Yah, but that's not important right now, see. MineralMan Jun 2015 #22
Provide the definition section of the TPP and we'll decide for ourselves. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #23
What, you're allowed to pre-judge the TPP and I'm not? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #25
Asserting knowledge of something which you don't know is lying. It's a sad tactic. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #31
No MFrohike Jun 2015 #26
Not unless they change the Constitution.... Historic NY Jun 2015 #30
It will also hide your car keys and be a better parent to your children. randome Jun 2015 #32
Oh, you would support any corporate "trade" bill regardless of its content. Romulox Jun 2015 #33

marmar

(77,081 posts)
2. So sure about that? Dave Johnson is hardly an alarmist, and he's quite concerned.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

The more we learn about the TPP, the more its stench grows.


MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
4. Yes, I'm sure about that.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

Thanks for asking. Only Congress can kill the USPS. They're working hard to do that, too. But, as a national institution, I do not believe it will ever happen. State-run postal systems are the norm. They will continue to be. The TPP will not kill the Post Office. The argument that they will is so tightly stretched that the rubber band will break soon.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. Dave Johnson's background is developing computer games. Apparently, he played them too much.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jun 2015

I'm a big Post Office supporter, and I'm confident there is nothing in the TPP that threatens them. Jeeez what a load of bull.

MineralMan

(146,311 posts)
5. Yes. I am absolutely sure.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jun 2015

This is one of the weakest possible arguments against the TPP. A desperation argument.

BTW, you never responded to my explanation of your false claim regarding my "cliches" in another thread. You can find my reply in your My Posts list.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. if you prefer, I'll use the word bromide. you're a veritable fount
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jun 2015

though cliche is also apt. As for the tpp and the post office, it's the threat from TISA that concerns me. I somehow doubt you've read the New Republic piece about TISA that's Ben posted here, but it's a good, informative read.

http://www.google.com/#q=bromides+definition
http://www.google.com/#q=cliche+definition

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
13. Your naked assertions aren't worth the time it takes to read them. You have no knowledge of
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jun 2015

what you speak.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. The Unins have raised that issue as well
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:45 PM
Jun 2015

I even gasp, posted about it here.

Not that it matters. It's only labor, organized at that, which is trying to raise the alarm.

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
7. The long range effects of the TPP are going to be devastating
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

will it kill the USPS immediately? Likely no.
But like so many Republican projects, the USPS will be chipped away at until it is almost recognizable over several decades. TPP, TISA na TTIP will among the tools that tea baggers will use.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. Nah. Like NAFTA, the long-term effects would be marginally positive
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 02:50 AM
Jun 2015

Good for heavy manufacturing, agriculture, software, chemicals, electronics, extraction, pharma, and services; bad for medium and light manufacturing, fisheries, textiles, and possibly autos (a lot of that depends on how the Japan language shakes out). A few hundred thousand jobs will be lost and a few hundred thousand jobs will be created. Though even that is probably an overstatement because it's unlikely to significantly change the existing bilateral agreements, so it will mostly just be the bloc effects that we currently don't have.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
8. I swear, if I hear future Obama say:
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:12 PM - Edit history (1)

I didn't see it go that way; that's not how we imagined that rule would be enforced; we just didn't know; or we realize now that it was a mistake, I think it will be the day that I start to believe that maybe the answer will come from a global leader, because our country has certainly run out of ideas.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
10. Or the crazed, worst-case-scenrio-no-matter-what speculation is simply FUD.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

Occam's razor.

And Obama is NOT an idiot, so there's that.

marmar

(77,081 posts)
14. No, he's not an idiot, and therein lies the problem.....
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

..... if it were, it would be easier to rationalize his support for this monstrosity. It's corporate payback time.


tridim

(45,358 posts)
15. This post is also FUD. The "monstrosity" you speak of doesn't exist.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

Nor is it agreed to by anyone including the President.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
16. I just can't help seeing the neo-liberal agenda behind this.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jun 2015

I think this is another instance where neo-liberals think they have found a project that creates a happy marriage between social justice and corporate interests. Somehow, they think we can fix another country's economic problems by tying their load to our wagons.

It's going to fail because no one in Washington D.C. has really made any effort to improve the financial welfare of the working class in the U.S. They are so blind that they can't see that the metaphorical wagon has no wheels, and is being propelled on the shoulders of the American worker.

Nor has Washington D.C. come up with any fresh ideas for the Tech workers since the dot.com era -- and all that was just a bubble. Speaking of bubbles, I think that the only thing this country is good at is cinema and marketing. These are industries that bundle ideas that reach into our imagination. Of the two, cinema, which sells fake stories, is the most honest.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. Privatization of roads is well underway.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

The Indiana Toll Road, I-80 and 90 linking Chicago to the East Coast, being a prime example.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
19. that's the ENTIRE POINT for four decades! sell of what's profitable
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015

and then use the unprofitable ones (of course in government hands still) to prove that you had to sell off the profitable ones because government can't turn a profit! it's therefore self-justifying--you just have to forget that little trick at the beginning

remember, the Caracazo was started by a "populist" who won because he damned the IMF--and then turned around and did everything they said

and if he'd been a Democrat we would've repealed the 22nd Amendment for him, because we can't afford a purity purge in such a time of crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Alfredo_Mart%C3%ADnez_de_Hoz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Jorge_Blanco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Andr%C3%A9s_P%C3%A9rez

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
30. Not unless they change the Constitution....
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:16 AM
Jun 2015

if they aren't doing it for guns it won't happen to the post office.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. It will also hide your car keys and be a better parent to your children.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jun 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
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Romulox

(25,960 posts)
33. Oh, you would support any corporate "trade" bill regardless of its content.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jun 2015

The pretending is what galls.

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