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UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:47 PM Jun 2015

In discussing U.S. overdose deaths, Clinton downplays personal ties

It has become a recurrent moment in Hillary Clinton's speeches as she campaigns for the presidency: softening her voice to a hush, she says she wants to end the "quiet epidemic" of Americans dying from overdoses of painkillers and other drugs.

Often, she remarks how surprised she is to find herself discussing the problem, which is now among the leading causes of injury death in the United States. Prescription painkiller overdoses alone kill an average of 44 people each day according to the federal government. Several of her rivals for the presidency have said they plan to do something about it if elected in November 2016.

In Clinton's case, she says she decided to put the issue high on her campaign agenda only after she started to meet affected voters in April. In stops hundreds of miles apart, people she talked to in coffeeshops and at campaign events repeatedly described the struggles their families and neighbors were facing with the addictive pills and other drugs, she says.

What she has not yet publicly discussed while campaigning are personal links she has to the epidemic: In 2011, overdoses of opioid painkillers killed two young men known to her and her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/08/us-usa-election-clinton-addiction-insigh-idUSKBN0OO01Z20150608

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In discussing U.S. overdose deaths, Clinton downplays personal ties (Original Post) UglyGreed Jun 2015 OP
Here we go. The "personal ties" to addiction. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #1
Read the article UglyGreed Jun 2015 #3
This seems like a defensive overreaction. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #4
The article is fine -- the title is ridiculous. "downplays personal ties" Such melodrama. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #9
Take it up with Reuters. It's their headline. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #15
So why are you commenting? Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #21
Why are you? Seems a strange question to ask on a discussion board. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #32
I am not a Hillary fan, and that is not what I thought at all when I read that. djean111 Jun 2015 #7
Well I saw both UglyGreed Jun 2015 #12
Out of all those deaths UglyGreed Jun 2015 #2
So she is doing a good thing, almost sounds like she is hiding something, which she is not randys1 Jun 2015 #5
Good thing if you are not UglyGreed Jun 2015 #6
Wait, is she working to stop prescribing? I am against that as well randys1 Jun 2015 #8
that's the practical effect cali Jun 2015 #13
By making naloxone more available? Do you want to retract that or do you need an randys1 Jun 2015 #14
I mean the emphasis on pain killers as bad. cali Jun 2015 #20
If you are taking them long term, then you might wanna look at pain management randys1 Jun 2015 #22
I have had spinal nerve blocks, taken a half dozen different cali Jun 2015 #31
I don't know but UglyGreed Jun 2015 #16
OK, so you dont know, I appreciate you saying that, because I do. I know what naloxone is randys1 Jun 2015 #19
Randy UglyGreed Jun 2015 #23
sorry, but i wasnt really thinking of you when i said that, someone else here, but randys1 Jun 2015 #24
I did not mean UglyGreed Jun 2015 #25
not good for me. it's a total hassle already for legitimate pain sufferers cali Jun 2015 #11
Good on Hillary. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #10
so Clinton is now responsible for opiod addiction? wtf samsingh Jun 2015 #17
LMFAO UglyGreed Jun 2015 #18
Reuters supllied the most deceptivly suggestive title on a news article I've seen today. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #26
Sorry I just copied the title UglyGreed Jun 2015 #28
That was why I mentioned Reuters. I know you did not do it. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #30
Naloxone is a life saver. I support any and all efforts to make it more widely available. pinto Jun 2015 #27
I have no problem with UglyGreed Jun 2015 #29
Got that. Sorry for your experience. It's worth noting, for general opiate OD context though - pinto Jun 2015 #33
So she finally figured it out in April? Wow. The calculator must be running slow. L0oniX Jun 2015 #34
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. Here we go. The "personal ties" to addiction.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015
What she has not yet publicly discussed while campaigning are personal links she has to the epidemic: In 2011, overdoses of opioid painkillers killed two young men known to her and her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


Oh, my! She must be a user or a dealer, right?
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. This seems like a defensive overreaction.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

The article excerpts seem pretty straightforward. They only suggest that she knew people who overdosed. A lot of us know people who have overdosed.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. I am not a Hillary fan, and that is not what I thought at all when I read that.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

What I thought was oh, damn - double down on the War on Drugs? So I read the article, and the people who make Naxalone are going to make lots of money. That's what I got out of it.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
12. Well I saw both
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

but I'm coming from a position where doctors have used taking these medications against me. I may be a bit thinned skinned perhaps.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
2. Out of all those deaths
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jun 2015

I wonder how many are a conscious decision to end their life of pain? All those on pain medication take heed, this will not end in your favor.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
8. Wait, is she working to stop prescribing? I am against that as well
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jun 2015

Silly me, asking that question sincerely, as I did.

Here is her main focus


In 2014, a year before becoming a candidate, Clinton described the foundation's efforts at length in an hour-long speech on drug abuse at a mental health conference. She focused on the foundation's plan to make naloxone, a drug that can rapidly reverse the effects of an opioid overdose, more widely available


so NO, she is NOT working to prevent proper prescribing

And I am one of the first people I know who when this is discussed always makes that an issue, I think we as a society have to be damn careful how we react to this problem and NOT cut out prescribing when appropriate

randys1

(16,286 posts)
14. By making naloxone more available? Do you want to retract that or do you need an
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

education?

perfect example here of what the agenda of anti Hillary folks is

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. I mean the emphasis on pain killers as bad.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not blaming her. You wouldn't believe what I go through because I take opiates. And it keeps getting stupider. And yes, I need them.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
22. If you are taking them long term, then you might wanna look at pain management
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jun 2015

alternatives because right or wrong our backwards system is going to make them harder and harder to get, Hillary or no Hillary.

Her emphasis is on what to do at the moment of overdose, and that is wonderful, I applaud that.

Our emphasis should include legalizing all drugs, providing clinics for heroin users to go and get methadone for free and provide long term housing and so on without stigmas.

If you are a long term user of opiates you know that you build a tolerance.

This is why the problem is so big.

I wont ask why you take them, none of my business.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. I have had spinal nerve blocks, taken a half dozen different
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

non-narcotic medications, been a patient at two eminent pain clinics, and much more. I don't mind telling you why I take them. Almost 4 years ago, I smashed leg, literally into pieces. I had 3 surgeries. I have a titanium rod inside my tibia from ankle to knee, plates on the fin and screws at the ankle. Either due to the original accident or from the initial surgery, I developed type 2 CRPS, one of the most painful conditions known. In addition, I have traumatic arthritis in my ankle.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_regional_pain_syndrome

And, no I haven't developed a tolerance. I only take it when I just can't bear the pain. I often go several days without it. Right now, I'm sitting with my foot in a basin of ice. I do that a lot.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
16. I don't know but
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

the way people have been all out trying demonize pain medications I fear it may just get worse.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
19. OK, so you dont know, I appreciate you saying that, because I do. I know what naloxone is
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jun 2015

and why it is needed to be MORE available and I also see certain DU members who attack hillary NO MATTER what, and I wont just walk past that and do nothing when I see it.

Anyone who wants to have an actual discussion about this problem, fine by me, I will partake, but if it is just to attack hillary then I am out of here

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
23. Randy
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jun 2015

I posted the article because it has bearing on those who suffer from Chronic pain. I did not use it to bash HRC. I don't get involved in this attacking of candidates, I really don't see a point in it at all. BTW I had my picture of Bernie up before he even decided to run. I would post an article if Bernie or anyone running for POTUS mentioned anything about such matters.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
24. sorry, but i wasnt really thinking of you when i said that, someone else here, but
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

i dont need to do that either

peace out

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. not good for me. it's a total hassle already for legitimate pain sufferers
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

She's just going to make things worse for us.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Good on Hillary.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

Extremely important conversation. Many families deal mightily with the conversation. It is so difficult.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
28. Sorry I just copied the title
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

as I do with 99% of articles I post. The only time I change them is if the title is too long.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
30. That was why I mentioned Reuters. I know you did not do it.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jun 2015

Reuters knows that many people will only read the title of an article.
Of those that click on the article, most just read the first paragraph.
We are down four paragraphs before we learn that Secretary of State Clinton and her husband had personal ties to people who died of an overdose.

A news article should tell who, what, when, where, how, and why. The gist of the story should appear in the first paragraph, and a title should distil the story. Later paragraphs fill out details.

I am annoyed at Reuters.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
27. Naloxone is a life saver. I support any and all efforts to make it more widely available.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

Here in CA, EMT's routinely carry naloxone "kits" and syringe exchange programs have been given the legal go ahead to distribute with usage guidelines to the general public. It's usually a friend or family member who's first on site at an OD and the most effective in reversing it with an administration of naloxone.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
29. I have no problem with
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jun 2015

Naloxone at all. It is just that I have lived through the demonizing of pain medication and any article that may be related I post.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
33. Got that. Sorry for your experience. It's worth noting, for general opiate OD context though -
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jun 2015

Most OD's are not among those managing or dealing with chronic pain. Most occur among injection drug users or oral users of opiates outside of any medical setting. Popular, profitable and available "street" drugs. Many OD's unintentional.

In the harm reduction field, which syringe exchanges are a part of, a live user has options that a deceased user doesn't. No judgments, just the reality of the thing.

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