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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:17 PM Jun 2015

Indiana’s ‘Religious Freedom’ law is already hilariously backfiring

http://deadstate.org/indianas-religious-freedom-law-is-already-hilariously-backfiring/

If you’re someone who pays attention to things, it’s not hard to figure out that Indiana’s Religious Freedom law, also known as the “Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” is just a sneaky way Christian folks oppress gay people. But now that the legislation is in effect, it’s having some amusing unintended consequences.

This Tuesday, Indiana was forced to recognize the First Church of Cannabis, and you don’t have to guess what their favorite religious ritual is.

From The Daily Dot:

The First Church of Cannabis is a relatively new denomination, set to hold its first services on July 1, the first day the religious-freedom law goes into effect, according to Forbes. And by obtaining recognition from the state under the new law, church members (who call themselves “cannataerians”) will reportedly be allowed to light up during their church services, even though they will practice in a state where marijuana is still a highly illegal substance. It’s all thanks to Indiana’s recently reinforced religious freedoms.




I'll bet lots of their members attend Pastafarian services as well.
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Indiana’s ‘Religious Freedom’ law is already hilariously backfiring (Original Post) KamaAina Jun 2015 OP
haha. serves the bigots right cali Jun 2015 #1
I wonder what their pot luck dinners are like underpants Jun 2015 #2
Don't forget the Oreos! Initech Jun 2015 #3
and brownies central scrutinizer Jun 2015 #4
Twinkies!!! DebbieCDC Jun 2015 #5
you can't bake marijuana into a Twinkie central scrutinizer Jun 2015 #6
Their pot luck dinners? malthaussen Jun 2015 #7
Ok, I laughed nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #9
They shouldn't celebrate just yet. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #8
on the money azureblue Jun 2015 #13
Church started by the Doobie Brothers damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #10
No, that's the church's monastic order. KamaAina Jun 2015 #12
Perhaps it could be used against new anti-abortion laws too? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #11
this one is way too easy azureblue Jun 2015 #15
Is human sacrifice now legal in Indiana? Renew Deal Jun 2015 #14
May Jesus be with you! B Calm Jun 2015 #16

underpants

(182,826 posts)
2. I wonder what their pot luck dinners are like
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jun 2015

Let's see Funyons ....Cheetos.... Funyons.... ooh frozen Snicker bars!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
8. They shouldn't celebrate just yet.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jun 2015

The assertion that using pot is legally protected comes only from an official of the organization itself.

I'm not familiar with the details of Indiana's law, but it's probably similar to the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act. The federal RFRA doesn't say "You can violate any and every law as long as you take the trouble to clothe your crime with religious trappings." Instead, it requires a more nuanced test. Courts must consider whether the challenged law substantially burdens someone's exercise of religion, whether it furthers a compelling government interest, and whether it is the least restrictive way to further that interest.

One obvious point is that this test very subjective. As was noted in the case of the Hobby Lobby decision, the five Catholic conservative men who voted that the RFRA provided an ACA exemption were probably predisposed to see even indirect support of contraception as a substantial burden and were not inclined to see universal health insurance as a compelling government interest. If, in Indiana, the wording of the statute is similar and the composition of the state Supreme Court is anti-pot, then the "cannataerians" will probably lose.

Another variable is whether courts can assess the sincerity of the asserted religious belief. Say what you will about the Catholic Church, but obviously its longstanding stricture against contraception was not adopted for the purpose of enabling its congregants (let alone its corporate congregants) to evade the ACA. By contrast, the First Church of Cannabis is, let's be honest, a sham. Either we allow sham religions to provide cover for people to defy laws they don't like (we'd soon see a religion that, like the Amish, teaches that payment of FICA taxes is sinful), or we put courts in the position of scrutinizing a self-proclaimed "church" to determine if its purported "adherents" really believe these doctrines. Neither of these outcomes is palatable, which is another reason the RFRA is a bad idea.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
13. on the money
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

The muttonheads that wrote this law just opened a Pandora's box - this Church of Cannabis will be taken to court to try to declare its use of pot as illegal, which tramples on a a religious belief. The second that the state challenges the CofC, that is when the state puts itself in the position of deciding what is a "valid" religion, and what is not.. The Constitution forbids establishing a religion, and that is exactly what the state will be forced to do. The state has no other choice - they can't say that the CoC is not a religion, they cannot say which religious beliefs are valid and which are not.


This is going to be rich - the people who wrote this stupid law are going to have their asses handed to them, and they have no way out.

Omaha Steve

(99,655 posts)
11. Perhaps it could be used against new anti-abortion laws too?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jun 2015

Wouldn't that piss off lots of people that supported this!

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
15. this one is way too easy
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jun 2015

For centuries, the Catholic church decreed that, based upon "and God breathed life into Adam" and two other Bible verses, that life begins at first breath. Further, the newborn was not declared "human" until it was baptized. So a woman who is refused an abortion, is having her religious beliefs trampled upon.

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