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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC: "Bernie Sanders is beginning to feel the Bern"
Armed with low expectations and a stopped-clock message that has finally found its time, Sen. Bernie Sanders longshot Democratic presidential campaign is resonating with voters more than anyone expected just a few weeks ago.
The latest sign came this weekend in Wisconsin at the states Democratic convention. In a straw poll of delegates at the meeting, 49% party officials and activists who cast ballots picked Hillary Clinton as their top choice for the Democratic presidential nominee. No surprise there Clinton is dominating every poll and has a stronger lead than any non-incumbent presidential frontrunner in modern history.
But Sanders was within striking distance, just 9 percentage points behind Clinton, capturing 40% of the vote.
. . .it shows a desire for an alternative to Clinton and an interest in Sanders among the partys most committed members, at least in Wisconsin. And the results show that Sanders has, at least for the moment, solidified his place as Clintons main rival.
THE REST:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-beginning-feel-the-bern
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)wow, I guess 2/3 - 3/4 of Americans (who favor Bernie's policies in general according to most any poll) is just as out of the mainstream as is Bernie.
Wait...2/3 - 3/4 are OUT of the mainstream. That means the radical minority is the new normal??
woodsprite
(11,916 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)"...tossing spitballs at a battleship." Does seem to fit, doesn't it!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)can send a battleship straight to the bottom of the sea. Remember HMS Hood.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)out of touch the Corporate Media is with actual PEOPLE. Too much corporate messaging has built a wall between them and the people they are SUPPOSED to inform.
But they are the Old Media now and no one really expects them to 'get it'. They work for Corporate bosses and that is who they serve.
It seems that at least some of them have gone to where the REAL news and the REAL people are, to the NEW MEDIA. Wjere they found 'feel the bern'. Good for them, maybe they will learn something.
Bernie Sanders, like OWS and so many others who are actually informed, knew he could not count on the Corporate Media.
He has been a longtime user of Social Media where he has been in touch with the people.
And he and his supporters have been using the New Media brilliantly to make sure as many people as people are introduced to him.
They sound surprised.
They did their jobs, they tried to minimize his candidacy in every way they could. It must be frustrating to find out that Bernie never needed them at all.
He needed the PEOPLE and he knew it.
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BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)All of a sudden a few reporters accidentally stuck their heads outside the bubble & noticed that something weird was going on--Ignore Bernie mode wasn't working.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)propaganda is to be successful. They will always under report his success and credit it to odd reasons and the like. Bernie is getting them to show a modicum of respect while they will still try to paint him and us, his followers, as mainly college kids and/or hippies! I don't think it's going to work!
We need to help Bernie in our local areas where and when we can to build awareness of him and his message. They need to know that he is so important because an un-bought politician is about as rare as snow in Texas in July!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I have Bernie's 12 Steps (oddly familiar number) printed out 2-sided with a link to his website. I'll drop a bunch off with my massage therapist tomorrow. She's already a convert & has a lot of friendly contacts. She and her husband were old Greens in the 90's. I gave one to our dinner guest last night& we talked. Turns out she's from an old Milwaukee German "Sewer Socialist-" connected family, and had great memories of Milwaukee's socialist mayors & other party members who visited her parents' home. Anyway, she had heard nothing of Bernie. She was happy to get my little handout. She works as a chaplain, & so is in contact with lots of people.
Things like that. Every day. Saturday a friend came over & I did a little solidifying, having already introduced him to a bit of Bernie's message. Then I followed up by emailing him some relevant links that I knew would hit on issues of concern to him.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I am registering minorities and making sure they are aware of the new Texas requirements. Speaking to churches about the importance of voting and which party does not want them to vote!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)an elderly neighbor register to vote today.
She isn't exactly politically savvy, but after I told her of Sander's platform and a little bit about him, she stated she would vote for him.
I'll drag everyone I know to the polls to vote for him.
That's called doing your part to preserve democracy. Help people to vote, help people to understand the candidates, and if you have to hold their hand right up until the voting booth, you do it. Even if they don't vote for who you advocate.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And like ripples from a rock thrown into the water, the word is spreading.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)They were just using their Plan A, which is still being used even though its becoming ineffectual, which is to ignore Bernie, to ostracize him, call him names. It will still work with a segment (even some in DU), so they won't stop that.
But they have to now move to Plan B because Plan A is not working as well as planned. Its a long time until the primaries, what they will search for is a "Dean scream" moment. Something, anything, they can use to create an exaggerated narrative out of. Some "fault" that makes him ineligible for the highest office.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)their kids said 'hey dad, this Bernie guy, he's cool, don't you 'feel the Bern'? And against all his corporate funded soul, the father in him made him go take a look!
Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)#FeeltheBern!
#BernBabyBern!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)But had not seen BernBabyBern.
Love it!
Dose this mean I don't have to wear my tinfoil hat if I'
m for Bernie?
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)the Koch brothers will start planning their Bernie assault, I hope Bernie is ready for it. I am sure He will over come them!!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)from a Reddit post which appeared on twitter.
Good question btw. We can imagine how angry they are at him, as he names them often and tells the truth about what they are up to.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)a long time now.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)had him on her show.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)so that's the truth. Any evidence that is not consistent with this assertion must, therefore, not exist.
If he wins, I would expect the corporate media to create their own president and steadfastly assert that it is simply not possible that Sanders could have become president - everyone knew this. After all, everyone knew that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, developed in tandem with Al-Qaeda's team of advanced scientists operating from mobile weapons laboratories, with the help of their dear friends in Iran, who didn't actually hate their guts at all, and with North Korea scouting out the best American cities to reduce to mushroom clouds. All of this turned out to be absolutely true.
Therefore, President Sanders can't possibly exist.
He will, however, have 'influenced the dialog' and 'moved Clinton closer to the left.' Everyone expects this...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)alternative media, has moved away from them. In some ways I hope they don't 'catch on' because that means someone like Bernie can fly under their radar before they can begin taking serious shots at him.
By then, hopefully, it will be too late.
And if he wins, and we also help to provide a progressive congress for him, they may even become a thing of the past.
I know that on Bernie's agenda is the restoration of the Fairness Act, to break up these damaging conglomerations, along with the Big Banks, and maybe we will return to a semblance of a real news media.
And not one of the current Corporate tools will be able to get a job in a real news room! Lol! They won't know what hit them.
swilton
(5,069 posts)Bernie's campaign is R E V O L U T I O N A R Y for this reason -
Rather than going by the 'classic' paradigm/campaign strategy which is what Hillary's campaign and this source thread's analysis is based upon - i.e. that voters are divided racially/ethnically and therefore must be campaigned/appealed to based upon those interests -------
Bernie's campaign (I suspect) is based upon the paradigm of classism - that voters/social divisions are much deeper based upon class (the rulers/oligarchy/1%) vs. everyone else (the workers/middle class/etc.)- Therefore his strategy is to try to unite different racial groups - into a voice of 'things that we all agree upon': (health care, jobs, environment, a living wage, etc., etc.) His presentation in NH as much as said that (paraphrasing his words into my own words) the Koch brothers/oligarchy tries to divide the people - and in so doing break down democracy (voice of the masses) - examples: gender, race, religion, etc.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)He is an extremely intelligent man and has no doubt know for a long time the tactics of 'dividing and conquering'.
And while the 'little people' have been bickering and fighting among themselves, as planned, the ruling class has been scooping up as much as they can get their greedy hands on, using the two party system, the 'team' system, to do it.
Many of us caught on more recently no doubt, than he did.
What the ruling class fears most is that the people will unite against them.
That is why they detested OWS, because that was the first public indication that the people were catching on, that they were no longer willing to play on their 'teams'.
THEY of course belong to neither team, they are above that.
But they must be getting nervous now with all the signs that the 'game', rigged as Warren stated, may be over.
Bernie has emerged at just the right time.
Classism was always the problem, it's been a problem throughout history, in every corner of the world.
The Independent vote is now the largest voting bloc in the country. People fleeing both parties as they no longer are willing to give their loyalty to those who are not loyal to them.
THAT is the vote Bernie will most likely get.
There is going to be huge resistance, and we've seen it already, to this movement, and it is a movement. Because this is going to work as the truth is it has become THEM against ALL OF US. They got too greedy.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)He too had momentum than BAM, M$M destroyed him by taking that scream out of context.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and the media certainly has been trying to smear him, make him seem irrelevant, if that happened today, the entire internet would take that video apart frame by frame and it would be the Old Media who be the victims of their own trickery.
I'm sure they will try, I read today that the Koch brothers are spending money now to go after Bernie. They are going to be surprised I think, just as MSNBC is, at the reaction of the people.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)still regard M$M news as believable. I'm more worried about them than the Kochs. In some ways I feel Bernie's unrepentant bold statements about the rich needing to pay more insulates him from Kochs and their ilk.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of their bosses. And so far, the more people do hear him, the more popular he becomes. For just a couple of weeks, going from being an almost unknown to where he is now, without the help of the Corporate media, in fact with their dismissive attitude 'he might be able to pull Hillary to the left' as if that was the reason someone as smart as Bernie would take such an important step, and WITHOUT Corporate money, it's amazing what has been accomplished.
I agree that the people who don't know him and who depend on the old media, could be a problem, but hopefully there is enough time, and he seems to working at record speed, to make his name and message household words.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)by the corporate media. At some point the people are going to recognize that trickle-down hasn't ever worked and that bigger and bigger defense budgets don't make us safer.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)The surprised people seem to be the ones who don't use a lot of social media, or get their news from mainstream or PBS/CNN/Fox.
This realization will reach critical mass in short order, I think. My sister is a committed Dem committee person and she doesn't really know who he is. IF you are a loyalist Dem and involved in local parties, like members of my family, they have a pretty heavy set of blinders on, too. But the Democratic committees have never been as cohesive as they make themselves out to be.
The independent thinkers, the progressives who quite buying "conventional wisdom" long ago may be taking verbal abuse less and less when more and more wake up.
That's what I think, anyhow.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)THE 'king makers' as the media referred to them. I remember when right wingers were going after Dems online, and they would watch Meet The Press religiously, where they were getting 'conventional wisdom' while meantime online the Dem party was being viciously attacked and individual Dems were being targeted. I was seriously worried that there was very little response to any of this, it was completely below their radar.
Bernie was way ahead re the power of the social media. I am amazed at how brilliantly they are handling Social Media, their online presence, a lot of it of course, is volunteer, is pervasive and INTERESTING. There are Bernie groups from all over the country, 'Alabama for Bernie' 'NY for Bernie' etc, in the past ten days or so, simply for retweeting Bernie tweets, I have gained 100 followers! And I don't really do anything more than forward what I see.
Other groups, such as Women for Bernie have gained thousands of followers in that same time frame, and Bernie was the second most 'liked' candidate with over one million likes, airc, a week ago, probably more by now.
They have an enthusiastic support network, young, old, male, female, every ethnic group is represented. And most of it I believe is voluntary, so he doesn't need TV ads right now.
And clearly it is working.
As you said, the old way isn't in touch with the people, or the changes that have occurred so they are surprised when they see this surge of support for someone they were programmed to think wasn't a 'real candidate'.
Bernie said today 'let me tell me you a secret, we are going to win NH'. And I think, and now they are wondering, that he is right.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)doing an end-run on the corporate Media(tm) via social media. Freedom of the Press belongs to the person who owns the press.
Thanks to the Internet and its social outlets, we ALL own a press!
Roland99
(53,342 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)skills to do so.
OWS would not have been heard of had it been up to the Old Media. But they anticipated what the reaction would be and planned to bring their own media.
Everyone was advised to bring a camera, to film every arrest, every incident and put on Utube, on Social Media.
For the first few days the Old Media sat nearby in their 'news vans' but didn't do much else.
Meantime news was spreading across the country AND the world.
What was supposed to be, at best, a week long sit in in one city, ended up spreading like wildfire across the nation and then the globe. There were occupiers in Hong Kong, Europe, Africa, while the Old Media wondered how it all happened without them.
In fact it was the best thing that could have happened for them not to report on it as THEIR coverage would have been negative, and was once they realized they had dropped the ball.
Once the began covering it, the expected negative coverage began.
But it was too late, the goal had been accomplished, spreading the message about Wall St, lingo that made it easy to talk about now part of the language when it comes to the inequality and corruption that is pervasive in this country today.
Bernie was an early supporter of OWS meeting with them in Vt airc. I suspect he studied their methods and is putting the new media to good use as they did.
Great video, thank you.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Glenn Beck's impotent 9/12 event or any other TeaPatriot crap was always drummed up to be 10x bigger than anyone could imagine.
But to cover any real issue that affects the majority of people and threatens the oligarchy? PUT IT DOWN!!
Liberal media my ass.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)OWS, deliberately following MLK and Gandhi's peaceful protest philosophy, should have caused outrage, and when the UN Rappateur decided to appeal to the US Government to protect the protesters and got no response, that told ME a whole lot about where we stand as a nation.
But they started the uprising against the inequality, the racism, the corruption and the destruction of our electoral system by the money that is spent to buy politicians, then they moved to the next phase.
They were deliberately a-political and without leaders, a very clever decision which caused the Old Media hacks to whine over and over again 'but where are your leaders', because there was no one individual for them to smear, and they were frustrated.
Now they have found a candidate they can support and are doing so.
The results of their expertise using Social Media are obvious ....
That doesn't mean that as soon as Bernie starts beating Hillary in the polls, we won't see vicious attacks on him by the Corporate Media and in ads bought and paid for by the Ruling class on behalf of their bought candidates.
We can only hope that those attacks will work against them this time, since we are all much, much more aware of the 'rigged' system works.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)The new CEO of NBC is a right winger and they have been down playing Sanders from the get go.
And now that OUR MEDIA is showing him and others of this ilk that they are wrong they really don't know what to do----------because:
One: they are losing revenue dollars to the NEW MEDIA ----------Sanders is proving the point as we speak or write------right now
Two: now they can't fully exploit who they want as a candidate from those revenue dollars and that message of attacking the public and our programs or coming out saying absolutely nothing from the clown car.
I truly believe that in 2015 and 2016 debates they are going to be in for a really big rude awakening come election time
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)A little attention.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Yeah, that was CNN-worthy.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)old habits die hard. I noticed that. It made no sense, but then nothing the Corporate media 'stenographers' have to say makes sense except to whoever writes their scripts.
Having to acknowledge that Bernie is a serious candidate, in spite of all their foolish efforts to deny that, was probably hard enough for them to do.
It shows how little power they have though, doesn't it? Very little credibility for a 'news media' that helped their corporate bosses lie us into the ongoing disaster in the ME.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)global1
(25,251 posts)If Bernie starts siphoning off women's support of Hillary - this will get real interesting.
Bernie has a message that resonates with women voters.
Surely - Hillary appeals to women voters on many important issues that directly affect women.
Whether Bernie's message can capture the hearts and minds of women voters will be real interesting to watch.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... to help solidify the women's votes to offer a great move forward if he can win the general election as having the first woman as a VP (and maybe president later)...
Not only would it help to have someone like Warren as VP, someone like her helps provide him an insurance policy against the possibilty of a political assassination by an extreme corporatist group entity. If he were to try and be "less narrow" and pick a more conservative VP, then he would be very vulnerable to that future in that instance to those who might want him out of power, and replaced with a more corporate friendly head of state.
it would also offer him the ability to perhaps step down after one term, if age affects him too heavily over the course of his first term and have someone like him step in the second term from the VP slot.
I wonder if Bernie's women supporters might start to wear these boots!
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)far more by her leading the charge on the hill than being Funeral Attendee in Chief and hypothetically breaking ties.
I'm thinking more like elevating a trustworthy Congress person like Sheila Jackson - Lee who would double as a nice insurance policy and would elevate someone not hand picked by the establishment to the front bench too which I think is desperately needed as the big stars in the party are all up in years when we are talking Clinton, Sanders, Warren, Biden, Kerry, Gore, and the like. Hell, even AL Franken is already 65 and he still has new car smell and Sherrod Brown is 64.
Of course then so is Jackson Lee (wow, we have gotten old. I was thinking she was more in her 50's) but at least with her we wouldn't be pulling one of our few good Senators.
The only few young up and comers are establishment selections that folks insist are real deal but fail to explain how so like Julien Castro who seems straight up centrist to me. After them Castro brothers who do we have with any mojo? Gillibrand and who else?
Let's at least bring some folks in the progressive caucus to the "adult table" rather than loading everyone we have with any established gravity to a ticket while letting our bench get grayer and slim pickings.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Over 600 claims of child sexual abuse, also filmed. I followed it, and I won't put down here, who it went. Just so you know, it didn't. She spent the first year investigating / focusing on the 'adult facility'. So I continued to call, every six months, for three years....then in 2011 I hear they are closing three facilities. But what about the accountability? Who are these offenders that came to the facility???????? Please, no Sheila Jackson Lee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Youth_Commission
and....
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2008/feb/15/scandal-rocks-texas-youth-commission-youths-molested-by-school-supervisors/
"Scandal Rocks Texas Youth Commission; Youths Molested by School Supervisors
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Don't know much about her, but just Googled her. The fact that she is from Texas would drive the Teabaggers nuts. Certainly she seems to be very tough and can go after people when required which would be great as a VP candidate.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a stand against the Patriot Act when to do so took a whole lot of courage, they both voted against it, and both voted against the Iraq War.
They have collaborated on issues, such as recently, the petitions against the TPP, and others in the past.
Iow, both seem to be very much in sync on the issues and in having the courage to make the right decisions when it was necessary regardless of the personal price that was paid at the time.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)he is working to introduce himself to the many Americans who did not know him.
Several groups of women supporters are very active helping to do this, and apparently have helped to do it very well. You are correct though, the notion that women will vote for someone simply because of their gender, was a foolish one and an insult to women frankly.
What women want is the best person for the job, and his record proves that he is that person right now.
ms liberty
(8,579 posts)Even when he was just a member of the house, I wished he would run. He was nailing it before most of America realized how important these issues are!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I don't think that Bernie needs to siphon anyone from Hillary to win this thing.
We just need to make sure they register.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)If HRC crashes like 2008? Not prudent to have put all their eggs in one basket this early in the election process. HRC will be just fine, even if she loses the primary or general election. With those 10s of millions socked away in personal wealth, and the hundreds of millions controlled by the Clinton Family Foundation, she will be in the highest of cotton.
Omaha Steve
(99,655 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Go Bernie!
Melissa G
(10,170 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Alex Seitz-Wald can go fuck himself. Can't just report on a candidate without shitting on them too
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)were! Their bosses are not looking for smart people, who probably wouldn't work for them anyhow.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I imagine he's pretty bright, but is yet another shiny Ivy Leaguer who likely has no idea of struggle, hardship, etc. The "real world" is impressive degrees, historically low interest rates, $500K+ condos in gentrified areas, Zipcars, Dean & DeLucas, craft beer bars, and shiny new baseball stadiums. It's not surprising that Sanders' message wouldn't resonate with him. Oh, young Alex is bright alright, and that carefully crafted "stopped clock" swipe was about as corporate tool as it gets.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)That was some serious bullshit offered up by young Alex.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I mean, Jesus-- it's not like Sanders' economic talk is just suddenly resonating for no reason. It's been clear for years that the things he's talking about are indeed what got us into this mess, as all these corporate tools were so studiously ignoring the obvious facts.
diamondhead
(54 posts)Notice, I'm not discounting the very real possibility that Bernie Sanders can win the NOMINATION.
But he will NOT win the general election. You are living in a dream world if you think conservatives and independents will vote for him. He may win a few north eastern states and California. But the south and the midwest? Come on now.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Come on, you can try harder than that
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Sanders' entire message is about entrenched moneyed interests with too much control over the government, corruption, the billionaire class, etc...
Jeb is practically their Ronald McDonald.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)They like it. He is talking about making America work for We, The People again.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)Good luck, but Bernie is reaching the unknown. Tapping into many voters that Clinton has ignored or pretended to be for.
ms liberty
(8,579 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Otherwise I'm making sure my passport is current and bags are packed.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Do you really think Hillary can take NC? I'd give Bernie better odds any day of the week (especially the first Tuesday in November).
-app
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)He was my gubbernor for two terms and he fucked this state up with stand your ground, voucher programs, and the citrus canker scam. Not to mention that he gave the election to his idiot brother by cage screwing 100,000 black voters out of their votes. This guy is an asshole period. Choose life license plate? His idea also.
And fuck the conservative voters. They vote Republican anyway. Independents are known as non-voters (too lazy or don't care to vote) and they won't vote for either one anyway.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)we should consider him a loser?
Love the logic.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It takes a village
daleanime
(17,796 posts)that's some pretty dense thinking, care to give us the run down on why the longest servicing independent in congress won't appeal to independents?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Small state. White. Maple syrup. Cheddar. Ice cream. Bike-riding orange cats. Bongos. Unlike independents anywhere else in the United States.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)not.
But you may have a future as a comedy writer, just as long as your not too fond of eating.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)just like Politico! And hemp. Oh, the hemp.
There are close to 1,750,000 Unaffiliated voters here in North Carolina. Unaffiliated for whatever their reasons, but I'm sure being sick of the two major parties are among them. Bernie *might could* do it!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with either Party, I think I just might have to do it to vote for Bernie Sanders'.
Dems are going to notice a spike in their diminishing members, both parties have lost voters since 2008.
No doubt they will attribute that to their own expert and well paid consultants, think tanks etc. but when Bernie wins the primary they will once again, be scratching their heads, as they did after the last two midterms when they blamed the voters. Which they will do again no doubt.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)(In the south) when he toured the country and they were crazy for him.
He doesn't make people fearful, they know he understands them and he listens.
No one has ever done that, it's not about him, it's about them.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The GOP has no path to a Presidential victory...they haven't in years demographically.
All those assholes in the GOP clown-car are vying to see who is going to be the loser that parlays that loss into a TV gig or speaking engagements.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)People have had it with a corporate media that has clear ulterior motives.
Now, whatever the media says is closely scrutinized. We know they're misleading us most of the time.
What the people mostly want is an authentic candidate. One that won't say anything just to get elected. Then after they're elected they betray the interests of the people.
We really do deserve someone on our side this time. Someone on our side would NEVER support the TPP.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)"New Hampshire has been dominated by the Republican Party for generations and it is considered to be the most conservative state in the Northeast. But Sen. Sanders was greeted with a standing ovation from about 1000 Granite State residents. The Keene Recreational Center overflowed with people. Every seat was taken, the aisles were full, and the crowd spilled out into the parking lot to hear what the Democratic Socialist seeking the Democratic nomination for president had to say. "
Momentum!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)salib
(2,116 posts)"Does the growing support for Sen. Bernie Sanders surprise you?
Yes
No"
What is that supposed to mean?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I can hear the Beltway saying it doesn't matter as they mention money.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I have no idea what the author is trying to paint on Sanders message
lostnfound
(16,180 posts)If a clock stops (never changes its message), it will usually be wrong (out of sync with real time, as time passes), but twice a day it will be "right" because it will happen to match reality at some certain points.
They are trying to say Bernie doesn't change his tune, and it just so happens that his message is resonating with present-day reality (but not for long, it will pass).
Subliminal message is also that they think he is out of date..or boring..
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm reading it as "even a stopped clock is right twice a day" in the same manner as we use it for Rand Paul.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)This movement is for real and won't be denied.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)It's meant to be an insult, but I think it's really an unintended compliment. Politicians have spent 40 years touting all things new and glamorous and he's sitting there saying, "hey guys, we know how to deal with this already. Stop running around like idiots and do the damn job." Not only that, but Americans tend to respect people who are consistent. From what I've seen, he's nothing if not that.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)Bern it all the way to the White House!
svpadgham
(670 posts)Someone already mentioned this. I think his message is right on time. Go Bernie.
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)They may think it's an organization.
And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement."
Arlo Guthrie
Peregrine Took
(7,414 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)As his message spreads...it's gonna shake the shit out of "establishment" candidates.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)It's a CLASSIC message; it's a message we heard from FDR, from JFK, and nobody else since.
CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)Make a note of that media!!
BERNIE SANDERS 2016!!!!!
& recommend.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Bernie Sanders will be our next POTUS
Win by a land slide I might add
Triana
(22,666 posts)If you're there, let him know what you think of his 'stopped clock message' insult.
@aseitzwald "a stopped clock is right twice a day". @BernieSanders has been right for 50 years. He knows what works & it's not trickle-down.
@BernieSanders message isn't a "stopped clock" message. It's right and it's right on time. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-beginning-feel-the-bern
@aseitzwald
Stainless
(718 posts)Their weekend line-up with Prison shows and Caught on Camera is cheap mindless BS and not worth watching. Fox, CNN and MSNBC are all corporate shills who can't be trusted to tell the truth.