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babsbunny

(8,441 posts) Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:53 PM Jun 2015

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Donald Rumsfeld: George W. Bush was wrong about Iraq

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-rumsfeld-george-w-bush-was-wrong-about-iraq

By Amanda Sakuma
President George W. Bush was wrong to try to build democracy in Iraq, former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in a recent interview, marking a striking admission from a key player behind the 2003 U.S. invasion.

In an interview with British newspaper The Times, Rumsfeld said that efforts to oust Saddam Hussein and replace his tyrannical regime with democracy were unworkable, and that he had concerns about the plan from the beginning.

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Donald Rumsfeld: George W. Bush was wrong about Iraq (Original Post) babsbunny Jun 2015 OP

Then the very next question is .......... Exilednight Jun 2015 #1

the political repugs seem very cowardly to me - they do not defend the nation samsingh Jun 2015 #6

Ironically, I get the same response here when I question Exilednight Jun 2015 #21

I guess 12 years of Faux pas Jun 2015 #2

Save your comments for The Hague, Rummy. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #3

Say what???? Fuck you, Rumsfeld. Something is up. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #4

Lemmee take a wild guess here: Contrary1 Jun 2015 #5

IT WAS ***YOUR*** PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JHB Jun 2015 #7

Well -- it most certainly wasn't Bush's plan! immoderate Jun 2015 #26

Bullshit Fumesucker Jun 2015 #8

He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #12

So why is that rat fleeing the ship? Interesting... Rex Jun 2015 #9

Rummy was right there with him, pushing the war. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #10

Nine letter word for color changing lizard. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #11

More here KamaAina Jun 2015 #13

must be indictments coming.... spanone Jun 2015 #14

Then why did Rummy scuttle Sec. Colin Powell's "Future of Iraq" plans? KeepItReal Jun 2015 #15

A little 28 Pages suspense, perhaps? johnnyreb Jun 2015 #16

Where's a Bolt of Lightning When you Need One? Skraxx Jun 2015 #17

This must be alternate reality nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #18

Too little, way too late. Go fuck yourself, Rummy. (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #19

Key point being... Scootaloo Jun 2015 #20

Or a figleaf president-in-name, dictator-in-reality JHB Jun 2015 #22

+1. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #23

The words "lying crock of shit" come to mind. Atman Jun 2015 #24

Chris Hayes is about to discuss this malaise Jun 2015 #25

What was he waiting for? Turbineguy Jun 2015 #27

He is complicit in the war crimes of the bush regime. liberal N proud Jun 2015 #28

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)

1. Then the very next question is ..........

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:54 PM

Jun 2015

Why didn't you speak up?

samsingh

(17,599 posts)

6. the political repugs seem very cowardly to me - they do not defend the nation

Reply to Exilednight (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:02 PM

Jun 2015

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)

21. Ironically, I get the same response here when I question

Reply to samsingh (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:15 PM

Jun 2015

People about Hillary's tenure at state. If I ask about policy x and why she supported it, the response is "she was carrying out Obama's foreign policy and it is not her place to say anything".

Maybe I'm wrong, but I always believed that all of these secretaries are appointed to advise the president on policy, and speak up for the American people when they know it's bad policy.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)

2. I guess 12 years of

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:55 PM

Jun 2015

hindsight is 20/20 huh?

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)

3. Save your comments for The Hague, Rummy.

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:55 PM

Jun 2015

You know, just before the sentece you.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

4. Say what???? Fuck you, Rumsfeld. Something is up. n/t

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:57 PM

Jun 2015

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)

5. Lemmee take a wild guess here:

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:59 PM

Jun 2015

Rummy wrote a book? We'll be seeing his vileness all over the place until its release.

JHB

(37,160 posts)

7. IT WAS ***YOUR*** PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:03 PM

Jun 2015

Un-effing-believable.

immoderate

(20,885 posts)

26. Well -- it most certainly wasn't Bush's plan!

Reply to JHB (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:17 PM

Jun 2015

--imm

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)

8. Bullshit

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:03 PM

Jun 2015

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/09/09/244373/-Army-General-Rumsfeld-threatened-to-fire-anyone-who-tried-to-plan-ahead

"The secretary of defense continued to push on us that everything we write in our plan has to be the idea that we are going to go in, we're going to take out the regime, and then we're going to leave," Scheid said. "We won't stay."

Scheid said the planners continued to try "to write what was called Phase 4," or the piece of the plan that included post-invasion operations like security, stability and reconstruction.

Even if the troops didn't stay, "at least we have to plan for it," Scheid said.

"I remember the secretary of defense saying that he would fire the next person that said that," Scheid said. "We would not do planning for Phase 4 operations, which would require all those additional troops that people talk about today.

"He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war."

Romeo.lima333

(1,127 posts)

12. He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going

Reply to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:20 PM

Jun 2015

He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war."

meaning we were lied in to war

Rex

(65,616 posts)

9. So why is that rat fleeing the ship? Interesting...

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:04 PM

Jun 2015

Is the USS BFEE sinking? Could we be so lucky?

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)

10. Rummy was right there with him, pushing the war.

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:05 PM

Jun 2015

Baitball Blogger

(46,719 posts)

11. Nine letter word for color changing lizard.

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:10 PM

Jun 2015

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

13. More here

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:21 PM

Jun 2015

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026801096

And why do the dupe threads always do better than mine?!

spanone

(135,841 posts)

14. must be indictments coming....

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:29 PM

Jun 2015

i wish....these fuckers would turn on each other like crazed jackals.....

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)

15. Then why did Rummy scuttle Sec. Colin Powell's "Future of Iraq" plans?

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:33 PM

Jun 2015

Powell's State Department had an actual plan created for rebuilding Iraq.

From PBS Frontline :

turf wars and the future of iraq

Much has been written and said about the internecine warfare between the State Department and the Pentagon in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Yet it has only recently become clear just how much those bureaucratic battles over turf and ideology affected the planning for the postwar occupation. In early 2002, the State Department began forming what became known as The Future of Iraq Project, bringing together a diverse group of Iraqi exiles with experts from the department's Middle East bureau to begin a process of planning for a post-Saddam Iraq. But in January 2003, a mere two months before the start of the war, postwar planning was wrested away from the State Department and handed to the Pentagon, which proceeded to discard the State Department-led efforts.

johnnyreb

(915 posts)

16. A little 28 Pages suspense, perhaps?

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:57 PM

Jun 2015

Oh and I have to put this 39 second clip in most Rumsfeld threads:

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)

17. Where's a Bolt of Lightning When you Need One?

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:57 PM

Jun 2015

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)

18. This must be alternate reality

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:00 PM

Jun 2015

Donald Rumsfeld...

Paladin

(28,262 posts)

19. Too little, way too late. Go fuck yourself, Rummy. (nt)

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:01 PM

Jun 2015

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

20. Key point being...

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:06 PM

Jun 2015

In an interview with British newspaper The Times, Rumsfeld said that efforts to oust Saddam Hussein and replace his tyrannical regime with democracy were unworkable

Rummy didn't want democracy, he wanted a pliable dictator.

JHB

(37,160 posts)

22. Or a figleaf president-in-name, dictator-in-reality

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:16 PM

Jun 2015

Except Chalabi couldn't even get to the starting line in that race.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

23. +1. n/t

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:08 PM

Jun 2015

Atman

(31,464 posts)

24. The words "lying crock of shit" come to mind.

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:09 PM

Jun 2015

malaise

(269,022 posts)

25. Chris Hayes is about to discuss this

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:14 PM

Jun 2015

after commercials.

Where are the fucking garlands Rumsfeld the war criminal?

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)

27. What was he waiting for?

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:18 PM

Jun 2015

The statute of limitations to run out?

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)

28. He is complicit in the war crimes of the bush regime.

Reply to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 08:43 PM

Jun 2015

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