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Has anyone read Mike Rowe's Facebook post in response to a comment from one of his followers? It made me feel uncomfortable, but I can't quite articulate it.
I don't think he fully understands the psychological effect that poverty has on people. Or how hard it is to survive on minimum wages.
Your constant harping on work ethic is growing tiresome. Just because someones poor doesnt mean theyre lazy. The unemployed want to work! And many of those who cant find work today, didnt have the benefit of growing up with parents like yours. How can you expect someone with no role model to qualify for one of your scholarships or sign your silly Sweat Pledge? Rather than accusing people of not having a work-ethic, why not drop the right-wing propaganda and help them develop one?
Craig P.
Hi Craig, and Happy Sunday!
Im afraid youve overestimated the reach of my foundation, as well as my ability to motivate people Ive never met. For the record, I dont believe all poor people are lazy, any more than I believe all rich people are greedy. But I can understand why so many do.
Everyday on the news, liberal pundits and politicians portray the wealthy as greedy, while conservative pundits and politicians portray the poor as lazy. Democrats have become so good at denouncing greed, Republicans now defend it. And Republicans are so good at condemning laziness, Democrats are now denying it even exists. It's a never ending dance that gets more contorted by the day.
A few weeks ago in Georgetown, President Obama accused Fox News of perpetuating a false narrative by consistently calling poor people lazy. Fox News denied the Presidents accusation, claiming to have only criticized policies, not people. Unfortunately for Fox, The Daily Show has apparently gained access to the Internet, and after a ten-second google-search and a few minutes in the edit bay, John Stewart was on the air with a devastating montage of Fox personnel referring to the unemployed as sponges, leeches, freeloaders, and mooches. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ /daily-shows-jon-stewart-bu /
More at https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/1001750199835123:0
Warpy
(111,267 posts)by knitting "liberal pundits" out of thin air, putting words into Democrats' mouths that they have never uttered, and refusing to see what his own party has done in the way of policy to create the largest number of poor possible without a revolution.
He's a typical blinkered, pig ignorant Republican apologist. Why are you bothering with him?
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)A very carefully worded piece of, as you so perfectly put it, pig ignorant Republican apologia.
My back stiffened as soon as I read the words "liberal pundits" and everything below pretty much confirmed my initial reaction.
Pull your pants up poor people and tuck in your damn shirts!
Got a finger for you right here Mike Rowe ... does that count as a "soft skill"?
Pisces
(5,599 posts)he is willing to help pay for training in high paid manual labor jobs. These jobs may require that you move, or that your
work out in the sun, or that you get filthy dirty. He is talking about high paying undesirable jobs because they require physical
work. I thought he was very clear that he was not representing any side but the working class side. Jobs that are looked down
upon by most people.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If they're not greedy, then why aren't they giving away all of their extra money, so as not to be wealthy? You don't amass wealth by giving fair value in trades. You do so by always expecting a 'profit'. That whenever you make an exchange with someone else, they give you greater value than you gave them. In a fair trade, people make an exchange of equal value. While both get 'what they want', neither makes a profit, because what they got is equal to what they traded away. In an exploitative trade, one person gives lesser value for greater return, and a 'profit' is born, that profit being the amount of value out of which the other person in the trade was cheated.
So you don't get wealthy unless you're 'profiting' off the losses of others in some fashion. Whether you exploit them directly by charging them more than the value you give them, or exploit the public purse by getting access to valuable resources (land, oil, water, grazing space) at less cost than you benefit from them.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Of course people make a profit. Every day every single person who goes to work hopes to make a profit.
My time is valuable, and I want to be paid for my time. I do accounting, Im not going to spend 8 hours at your company for free. If I dont make a profit, how do I pay my power bill? Do I show up at Duke energy for a few hours a month and help them with their accounting?
I would argue the fact that the trade was made at all is often proof that it is fair if no party was coerced. If I charge 50 an hour, I will tell you that up front. You can hire somebody else, or if you later find out Im not worth what I am charging you you can fire me. I would argue when I have been with a client for 10 years or more both sides have agreed its a fair trade.
Lets ask another question. My grandparents spent 10k on their home in the 1950's. They sold a few years ago for 100k. Were they exploiting somebody because they bought it for 10k? I would assume the seller has happy with the price, as was the buyer. If they were not happy either side could have walked away from the deal.
hunter
(38,316 posts)That attitude traditionally involves unions.
The workers with the strongest work ethic I've ever met are Mexican immigrants. Unfortunately they are frequently underpaid and abused, especially those workers who are undocumented.
I personally believe a generous welfare, unemployment, education, and disability system ought to compete directly with the crappiest jobs out there.
Anybody ought to be able to say to an employer "take this job and shove it" without any fear of homelessness and starvation.
This is the 21st century. Automation has made many jobs obsolete. Every job ought to pay a comfortable living wage, otherwise it's a job not worth doing.
Those that are unemployed now, even those who are unemployable now, deserve our support too. Our society is wealthy, we don't have to leave anyone behind. Nobody should be homeless, hungry, illiterate, or lack appropriate medical care.
Even those who appear to be "lazy."
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)He does Walmart commercials and has a brand of watches that are made in China.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)Dude they call themselves Greedy. They think Greed is Good. They are proud to be greedy. Liberals don't call them greedy, they call themselves greedy. Who would have thought a failed opera singer turned pseudo-reality star wouldn't understand politics or economics at all...
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)He's a right wing asshat.
dawg
(10,624 posts)For the most part, it seems to me to be a concept designed to shame workers into accepting whatever exploitation is dumped their way.
I believe in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. To Hell with your "work ethic". Work is a means to an end, not an ethos unto itself.