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(27,247 posts)who are keeping Maybelline and Revlon in business trying to purty up that pig.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)all this time I thought it was the mudpack.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"We could have Abu Dhabi..."
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)That pig needs roasted.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)My speciality, beatings.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)He's the Bernie Sanders of the airwaves.
K & R
marmar
(77,081 posts)It is indeed a vile pig.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)ABOMINATIONS.... And, if they Pass the Results will Haunt Us ...Down the Road...as did NAFTA and DEREGULATION of BANKERS, FCC and WELFARE REFORM did under our Dem President in the PAST.
WHY ARE WE DEMS SUPPORTING THIS?
loooneranger
(34 posts)And from what I saw most of the tea p's are against the TPP also. What does it tell you when the base of both parties is against it and the powers that be are going to do it anyway?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026793057
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)are against it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)BRUCE STOKES, Foreign Policy, MAY 29, 2015:
This is particularly true among young people and Hispanics, a potent new constituency for trade which also happens to be disproportionately Democratic-leaning.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/29/when-did-democrats-become-americas-free-trade-believers/
Ross Perot lives but his FUD has retired. It happens.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)don't have any idea just what is in the damn thing. In all likelihood, if this poll actually does reflect the opinions of non-politician "liberal Democrats" (and I have my doubts about that), it is a case of "Obama's for it, so I'm for it".
But I have heard a speech, and read a book, about the TPP by a former Japanese government minister who is now a leading opponent of TPP in Japan. He was actually involved in some of the negotiations, and still has connections with insiders. He has laid out, in terms anyone can understand, why it is an abomination for the average citizen.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It is what it is.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)which is an opinion poll, taken of people who in all likelihood have no idea about just what is in the TPP.
On the other hand, I have heard, and read, information from people who have actually had inside information about TPP, and they don't like what they see. I trust their assessment much more than I trust some opinion poll of non-insider "liberal Democrats".
snort
(2,334 posts)Seeing how it is made may cause vomiting.
Nay
(12,051 posts)to conclude that those polled agreed with what's in the TPP. In fact, if they are truly for free trade, they would not approve of the TPP at all.
But, as others have said, most people who are polled on any subject usually don't know much about the subject; bet they heard the word "free" and that triggered a "yes."
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)what they use as their base.
I'm going with you on this.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)before I believed it.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)That's not the same thing as supporting TPP, et al. Those things are about corporate sovereignty, not free trade.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That's how polls work. The questions get the answers they want to get.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Hi mad
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)MFrohike
(1,980 posts)Your quoted and bolded text directly contradict the assertion you made. You are citing a poll that shows support for free trade in the abstract, not in a particular case. To use evidence that does not say what you claim it does is lying.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the people.
So, I guess the Unions are no longer part of the Dem base, the Liberal Organizations, Labor, in fact every organization that used to be traditionally part of the Dem base is opposed to this.
When DID the makeup of the Dem base change? If these huge organizations are no longer counted as the Dem base, when did THAT happen?
And where will all these former members of that base be going now?
Right to where they should go, they will endorse Bernie Sanders who speaks for them.
So, great news for Progressives I guess. Nothing will build Bernie's campaign support like the party abandoning what used to be its base.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Because it's been referred to as "Obamatrade" on wing nut radio and inter webs. Which means that they've taken the correct position for entirely the wrong reason.
And I'd venture to say that many of that 58% of Americans who claim to "believe that free trade is good for the nation" have no clue WTF "free trade" actually means. Anything that's "free" must be good, huh? This is the land of the "free" after all. If it's free it's gotta be OK! And besides, Obama is pushing it.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and it ain't us.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Of course if the tea party told me anything I would double check it, but labor, environmental, and progressive groups were against the TPP long before the tea party ever heard it existed.
Also I garauntee you there are probably plenty of Teahaddists that are in favor of the TPP, at least once their corporate masters tell them to be in favor of it.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)it's sad knowing all this garbage is pretty much inevitable and we can't do anything about it.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)Not much discussion about giving corporations the power to overrule local governments world wide.
The TPP is "totally different" though-- don't look at the Investor-State Dispute Resolution section. Corporations will be able to sue local and national governments whose pesky regulations may damage their future profits. Even if the local regulations are in place to prevent damaging our environment or protecting people's health.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Mexico didn't want a toxic waste dump, got sued and lost. Canada has been sued over its prohibitions against the importation of the neurotoxin MMT and its ban on fracking.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So get ready to not be able to tell if your meat came from a slaughterhouse that met the (already lax) USDA standards.
JEB
(4,748 posts)this thing is so bad in so many ways and on so many fronts that I will not vote for anyone from school board on up that is not a strong and active opponent.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,658 posts)K&R!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Love the meter, keeping track of it.
I have only had 3 emails from his campaign, yet I have donated several times. Is the campaign sending out many?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)almost instantly received a thank you. Their campaign seems to be run by some pretty efficient people, his event plans eg, his media appearances, his online army of supporters.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The TPP is so popular, yet everyone treats it like toxic sludge...gee I wonder why. Free trade is the garbage Reagan forced upon us in the 80s.
How many decade are we going to keep eating the same old garbage, while the elite dine on the fruits of our labor?
wolfie001
(2,251 posts)....if we get along with the evil-doers (Wall Street), maybe they'll treat us better.
"You'll get pie in the sky when you die".....Famous lyric by Joe Hill 1911 sung in response to the Salvation Army's propaganda.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Whitehouse Comments: 202-456-1111
United States Capitol switchboard: 202-224-3121
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)They only rub elbows with others like them.
For an investor, the thought they may inadvertently catch a glimpse of the eyes of a child they left to poverty, left to pain and suffering to satisfy themselves and those they financially assist, is the greatest fear of all.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Hundreds!