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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 03:51 AM Jun 2015

Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying

The Obama administration has asked a secret surveillance court to ignore a federal court that found bulk surveillance illegal and to once again grant the National Security Agency the power to collect the phone records of millions of Americans for six months.

The legal request, filed nearly four hours after Barack Obama vowed to sign a new law banning precisely the bulk collection he asks the secret court to approve, also suggests that the administration may not necessarily comply with any potential court order demanding that the collection stop.


US officials confirmed last week that they would ask the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court – better known as the Fisa court, a panel that meets in secret as a step in the surveillance process and thus far has only ever had the government argue before it – to turn the domestic bulk collection spigot back on.

Justice Department national security chief John A Carlin cited a six-month transition period provided in the USA Freedom Act – passed by the Senate last week to ban the bulk collection – as a reason to permit an “orderly transition” of the NSA’s domestic dragnet. Carlin did not address whether the transition clause of the Freedom Act still applies now that a congressional deadlock meant the program shut down on 31 May.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/obama-fisa-court-surveillance-phone-records


FOUR HOURS AFTER HE SIGNED THE BILL.

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Obama lawyers asked secret court to ignore public court's decision on spying (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jun 2015 OP
I don't think the collection of material from my Yahoo account has stopped yet. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #1
Well, say if you were someone half-way important, about to do a deal. delrem Jun 2015 #3
Your weather report has nothing to do with bulk collection. Indydem Jun 2015 #13
What I don't get is that webpages frequently consider me to be living all over Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #16
The first three numbers of your IP Indydem Jun 2015 #18
Thanks. That was one that often puzzled me. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #19
Would that also explain why my Facebook account was accessed from Herndon, VA., where JDPriestly Jun 2015 #21
His betrayal of we the people who voted him in... Paka Jun 2015 #2
Four hours after 'vowing to sign' ... which is not the same thing as 'signing' ... brett_jv Jun 2015 #4
Hope And Change - A Marvelous Thing cantbeserious Jun 2015 #5
Obama Above The Law? billhicks76 Jun 2015 #6
It's his feet he has stinky feet stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #8
Some of us on DU have been trying to cleanse his feet with fire, others have been A Simple Game Jun 2015 #15
The Question Is billhicks76 Jun 2015 #23
I knew it was to good to be true. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #7
. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #9
lame. cali Jun 2015 #10
this is precisely why Bernie will sweep the polls and election Demeter Jun 2015 #11
It makes me wonder who is in charge Ichingcarpenter Jun 2015 #12
I can make a guess as to who is in charge of Obama Demeter Jun 2015 #14
I'm against a tax on retirement funds stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #17
Because of COURSE that's what a constitutional scholar would do... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #20
K&R nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #22
Germany drops inquiry into claims NSA tapped Angela Merkel's phone (Ewen MacAskill 6-12-15 Guardian) bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #24

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
1. I don't think the collection of material from my Yahoo account has stopped yet.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:04 AM
Jun 2015

I still get the weather report for Herndon, Va. every time I log into Yahoo.

It seems inconceivable to me that Booz whatever would be so sloppy with their snooping, and I have no idea why I would be of any interest to them. My e-mails are generally just family news and then stuff so boring and so generally disseminated as to definitely not be worth collecting. At one time I had documents from my local Democratic Club on an e-mail account. Maybe the Boozes are interested in political data? That would defy all tenets of our Constitution. But what else could it be?

I started a Facebook account with the past 6 months and was immediately asked about my location because my account was accessed from Herndon, Va. right away.

I'm a boring 72-year-old grandmother with Progressive Democratic opinions and no enemies to my knowledge. I don't engage in any criminal or remotely terrorist activities. That is I am assuming that American-born children under 5 and their parents who practice respectable professions without any questions about their character are not subjects for investigation from our government.

But until the Herndon, VA. weather report disappears from my Yahoo opening page, I am going to believe that the collection programs have not been ended.

What a waste of money and talent.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
3. Well, say if you were someone half-way important, about to do a deal.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:39 AM
Jun 2015

It doesn't have to be a political deal. It could be just a plain old vanilla economic deal.

Perhaps your opponent gets to know about it before your partners. Tough.

Or say you're about to enter politics by contesting an overwhelmingly powerful incumbent with big money backers. Guess which politician has all the info, all the clues where to look. Not you.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
13. Your weather report has nothing to do with bulk collection.
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:45 AM
Jun 2015

Your ISP's main office or jumping off point in in VA and your IP Address looks like it originates in VA.

My comcast IP regularly gets me content from Indianapolis and Lafeyette, IN.

Pure ignorance.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
16. What I don't get is that webpages frequently consider me to be living all over
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:54 AM
Jun 2015

and I have a fixed IP, I'm not assigned one from a pool of availables. So you'd think that even if they got it wrong, they'd always get it wrong in the same way.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
18. The first three numbers of your IP
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jun 2015

Providers (in their infinite wisdom) often shift the "home" of these three groups around. Your IP may stay the same, but they are messing with locations and assignments on their end. Often to balance loading based on users.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
21. Would that also explain why my Facebook account was accessed from Herndon, VA., where
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:09 AM
Jun 2015

the largest employer is Booz, Allen?

Paka

(2,760 posts)
2. His betrayal of we the people who voted him in...
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:06 AM
Jun 2015

is more overt each and every day. It saddens me to think how badly I was duped.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
4. Four hours after 'vowing to sign' ... which is not the same thing as 'signing' ...
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 04:40 AM
Jun 2015

So there IS that ...

Trying to laugh through my tears, you understand ...

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
6. Obama Above The Law?
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 05:04 AM
Jun 2015

He's acting like Bush. Do they have embarrassing phone calls, emails, texts or videos from before he was President that causes him to go along with anything federal intelligence or law enforcement agencies want?????? Defies logic.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
15. Some of us on DU have been trying to cleanse his feet with fire, others have been
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 07:06 AM
Jun 2015

telling us to leave his feet alone.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
23. The Question Is
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:40 AM
Jun 2015

Do you have a good leg to stand on and can you imagine what it's like to walk in another's shoes.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
11. this is precisely why Bernie will sweep the polls and election
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:27 AM
Jun 2015

And then, Obama better invest in his own lawyers.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
20. Because of COURSE that's what a constitutional scholar would do...
Wed Jun 10, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jun 2015

But sure, let's jump all over John Cusack for having the unmitigated gall to say that Obama was worse than Bush in some regards...

Hope and change my hairy white arse....

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