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BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
Sun May 13, 2012, 07:29 AM May 2012

Saverin gives up US citizenship to save on taxes

This guy is a real asshole. Can't bear the idea of paying taxes to the country that gave him the big bucks.

http://www.agi.it/english-version/world/elenco-notizie/201205130729-cro-ren1003-facebook_co_founder_gives_up_his_american_citizenship

(AGI) Washington - Brazilian-born Eduardo Saverin, the co-founder of Facebook, has given up his American citizenship.
Shortly after the quotation of the number one social network in the world on the stock exchange, Mark Zuckerberg's 30-year old Harvard marketing class-mate has decided to move to Singapore in order to gain some tax benefits. Saverin owns a 4% stake in Facebook and his shareholding could be worth up to 3.80 billion Dollars.

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Saverin gives up US citizenship to save on taxes (Original Post) BlueToTheBone May 2012 OP
This does highlight why trying to capture taxes on the rich exboyfil May 2012 #1
That if the IRS follows those rules BlueToTheBone May 2012 #2
This is capital gains money exboyfil May 2012 #4
From what I understand, the US is like a psycho ex. It's not over even if you say it is. Edweird May 2012 #3
Good, one less Rethug vote in November CanonRay May 2012 #5
He is moving to Singapore...interesting. dkf May 2012 #6
I think he renounced in September, Lucky Luciano May 2012 #7
Good riddance. But I hope the IRS sticks it to him. nt Ilsa May 2012 #8

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
1. This does highlight why trying to capture taxes on the rich
Sun May 13, 2012, 07:50 AM
May 2012

to a confiscatory level will not work (I hear talk on this board all the way up to 99% marginal tax rate). On the flip side I hope the IRS is very aggressive about pricing his portfolio - is he going to have to liquidate prior to the IPO? He was a U.S. citizen during the run up. According to Forbes the taxes will become due if he tries to move the dollars off shore. I wonder if there is a look back period (tries to move it in a few years). As I understand it for normal people, if you try this tactic (drop citizenship and move to another country), your portfolio is immediately treated as liquidated and all taxes are owed. I guess you can delay this by not bringing the money out with you? I never knew that.

The U.S. is unusual in one way. As a U.S. citizen you are taxed on income received in any country even if the income has nothing to do with the U.S. (lets say you are living and working abroad). We are the only major economy that does this.



BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
2. That if the IRS follows those rules
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:07 AM
May 2012

I feel much better. Good riddance to someone who wants to have it all without ever giving back.

Edit to ask: Would the tax rate be ordinary income or capital gains?

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. This is capital gains money
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:17 AM
May 2012

As he gets paid for his shares on the IPO. I guess it drops into limbo as he no longer becomes a U.S. citizen? Normally the tax bill would come due when he liquidates his portfolio. He becomes like a foreign national who invests in the U.S. going forward. I guess most normal people who might try this have their money in a IRA/401(k) (like me). That I know gets immediately treated as a withdrawal for tax purposes, and is taxed as ordinary income.

 

Edweird

(8,570 posts)
3. From what I understand, the US is like a psycho ex. It's not over even if you say it is.
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:17 AM
May 2012

Once you're a US citizen, you will ALWAYS be a US citizen no matter where you go.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
7. I think he renounced in September,
Sun May 13, 2012, 10:00 AM
May 2012

So the IRS will value based on that time. He has been living in Singapore for a while.

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