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applegrove

(118,793 posts)
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:25 PM Jun 2015

Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods

Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods

By Tim Devaney at the Hill

http://thehill.com/regulation/244620-obamas-bid-to-diversify-wealthy-neighborhoods

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The Obama administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, drawing fire from critics who decry the proposal as executive overreach in search of an “unrealistic utopia.”

A final Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule due out this month is aimed at ending decades of deep-rooted segregation around the country.


The regulations would use grant money as an incentive for communities to build affordable housing in more affluent areas while also taking steps to upgrade poorer areas with better schools, parks, libraries, grocery stores and transportation routes as part of a gentrification of those communities.

“HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all,” a HUD spokeswoman said. “The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.”



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Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2015 OP
This is a mistake. greytdemocrat Jun 2015 #1
If you spread it out, all across the city, in new developments, in middle class areas, in old applegrove Jun 2015 #3
My sister lives in Section 8 housing. You have a problem with people who need rent assistance? smokey nj Jun 2015 #5
That wasn't the question. nt greytdemocrat Jun 2015 #10
Your point was perfectly clear. You don't want to live around "those" smokey nj Jun 2015 #11
Wrong. greytdemocrat Jun 2015 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #30
i wouldn't have a pRoblem with it JI7 Jun 2015 #7
This is a very good thing BainsBane Jun 2015 #8
This^^^^^ Vattel Jun 2015 #9
Co-sign. nt Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #16
Yep, the affluent kids will benefit by getting in early practice mocking the poor Fumesucker Jun 2015 #13
Your answer is funny. greytdemocrat Jun 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jun 2015 #15
But everything else has been worse Recursion Jun 2015 #18
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Thanks apple~ Cha Jun 2015 #2
Mahalo Cha! applegrove Jun 2015 #4
Aloha, apple~ Cha Jun 2015 #6
Potemkin housing projects Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #17
what are the other costs ? JI7 Jun 2015 #19
Electricity, water, groceries, services, etc. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #22
those are usually about the same JI7 Jun 2015 #23
Really? Because most of the high income communities I'm aware of also cost more in local prices. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #24
not much difference and lower income people already usually drive to higher income areas to shop JI7 Jun 2015 #25
This is actually real, tangible change. DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #20
The last few decades were spent daredtowork Jun 2015 #21
Very good. Cities work the best when they're not segregated along economic/racial lines. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #26
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #28
Lol! Try a little harder next time. n/t demmiblue Jun 2015 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #31
LOL BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #32
President Obama is not running in the next election. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2015 #33
Really? Well congratulations! MrScorpio Jun 2015 #34

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
1. This is a mistake.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jun 2015

I'll be blunt here, if you just bought a nice home
in a nice development, would YOU want section 8
housing down the street??? Be honest.

applegrove

(118,793 posts)
3. If you spread it out, all across the city, in new developments, in middle class areas, in old
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:11 PM
Jun 2015

developments, YES! A little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit everywhere. You need mixed market buildings. And make a few low income/disability units a condition of any new condo/rental developments. Montreal does it. Especially in areas that are being gentrified. Then it is an easy sell. But no reason it has to be only those units. Why not the richer areas. What I worry about is the nature of clusters of small cities that is common in the USA might make it hard to put that into local development law. But section 8 might be easier.

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
12. Wrong.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jun 2015

I asked do YOU want to after spending a goodly
sum to purchase a nice home (that obviously isn't section 8).

Do you want the government to have the power to just walk
in to yours and others lives and say, hey, there has to be section 8
housing across the street from your development.

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BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
8. This is a very good thing
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

The greatest factor for a life of poverty and crime is growing up and living in areas of concentrated poverty. Building subsidized housing in more affluent areas--with much better schools--helps those people move out of poverty. Additionally, it is not good or healthy to live in homogeneous neighborhoods, so the affluent will benefit from the opportunity for their kids to go to more diverse schools and lessen their propensity to be complete fucking assholes in life.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. Yep, the affluent kids will benefit by getting in early practice mocking the poor
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jun 2015

And the poor kids will benefit by learning early their proper station in life as objects of ridicule.



greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
14. Your answer is funny.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jun 2015

And I think you know exactly what would happen.

Power like this would be abused and used as a political weapon.
Bank on it.

Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #1)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. But everything else has been worse
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jun 2015

Sorry for people who lose some property value, but that's a risk you take.

Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #1)

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
17. Potemkin housing projects
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jun 2015

The other costs for living in the area are still going to be too expensive for low income families and if the other costs of living do come down (though they probably won't) all that does is benefit the higher income families.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
25. not much difference and lower income people already usually drive to higher income areas to shop
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:13 AM
Jun 2015

so they actually end up spending more on gas/car costs . there is also a lack of options when it comes to shopping for lower income areas.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
21. The last few decades were spent
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:20 AM
Jun 2015

selling off public housing to private developers and handing over HUD money - taxpayer money - meant to help the poor - to rich developers.

I will be very interested to see if this program doesn't turn to be another give away to rich real estate developers and investment funds with ultimately very little benefit reaching the poor.

The real folly is in thinking we can maintain an inequitable economy (relying on a 6% unemployment rate and an enormous underclass) while critiquing people for failing at personal responsibility on the other side. If you want to see real mixed neighborhoods, pipeline people into good, high-paying jobs, give them full support for buying HOUSES in those neighborhoods. Let them enjoy the appreciation and equity that their white counterparts are enjoying right now - that's paying for white retirement and eldercare.

That said, I agree that cordoning off a "poor" part of town is recipe for future class war. I can see it fermenting right now where I live.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. Very good. Cities work the best when they're not segregated along economic/racial lines.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:08 AM
Jun 2015

No one wants poor people living by them but then decry isolated neighborhoods that turn into modern ghettos because we segregate our communities. It's ridiculous - and sad.

Don't get me started on the segregated school systems.

I grew up in an undesirable part of my city. I went to a poor public school. It sucked - despite my parents being hard working all around.

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