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Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:40 AM Jun 2015

So a few family friends came down, and we talked politics.

First time in over the 7 years we've all known each other that the talk wasn't My dogs bigger than yours...The gramma and grampa have always voted R across the board, the uncle (grandsons uncle, son to gramma and grampa) has as well. The grandson (the one graduating) this is his first year to vote, his GF also her first year to vote. I'm hoping to talk to them a little later.

FYI each and every time we've talked about politics in the past they've been part of the "Thanks Obama" blame game crowd no matter how many times I've explained to them how it works, or pointed out that it's pretty hard to get anything accomplished when people are putting land mines down in front of you constantly. The grandma even bought into the whole birth certificate crap. For the sake of peace we just all agreed to not talk about that, his religion, or anything else.

So we're in the car(Gramma, Grampa, Uncle, myself), heading to grandsons graduation and the uncle pipes up with "Hear anything good about any of these jokers running?" So I say "You ever hear of Bernie Sanders?" They had, but hadn't heard very much. I tell them he's a progressive Independent and is running under the D in the primary. I share with them some of his voting history, talk about some of the speeches he's made etc. I didn't lay it on thick because I've learned with them that a little goes a long way.

After I talk about him a little bit, chalk me up as surprised when they started asking questions. Specifically about social security, medical, etc. Then I ask the uncle, who is a long distance truck driver, how the roads were on the way down. (They are from Ohio BTW) He said they get worse every year.

So I pop in there Bernie Sanders drive to get our infrastructure fixed, roads-bridges-schools etc. His response? "It's about d*mn time someone focused on that." Gramma pipes up and says "Well there's no way I'm voting for any of those whackadoodles they have running. Where do they find these people?" She was talking about the R party. Grampa then says "I'm going to have to seriously look at this guy(Bernie) when we get back home, if he's on the up and up I could vote independent." Everyone, all of them agreed. I'm forwarding a few links I have about him to them The conversation was much more detailed than what I'm putting down for the sake of simplicity but you get my drift.

While we talked it smacked me in the face, he can really win this. I support him but I've been pretty down about his odds, especially with all the negative back and forth I've been reading. His secret strength? Being an (I) makes long time (R)'s take a closer look and consider voting for him in a very real way. He's not just going to appeal to Democrats, he's going to appeal to all walks because his message crosses those political lines in a way that none of the other candidates do. He's not appealing to a party, he's appealing to PEOPLE.

PS if you notice not once did I slam HRC in this message and I don't intend to so please don't slam me for supporting my choice of candidate? Thanks for letting me share my feel good moment.

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So a few family friends came down, and we talked politics. (Original Post) Mother Of Four Jun 2015 OP
Bernie People for the Win RobertEarl Jun 2015 #1
Sanders becomes more viable every day. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #2
Great! keep working on them! ms liberty Jun 2015 #3
Ironic how branding Bernie as (I) helps caraher Jun 2015 #4
Indeed, he really can win this thing, Mother... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #5
More Stories! Paka Jun 2015 #6
I have noticed this interest in Bernie from people on the right too. indivisibleman Jun 2015 #7
yes he can, if he can atttract people who have become disillusioned with our usual politics Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #8
I haven't heard the term "whackadoodle" in a monkey years. snagglepuss Jun 2015 #9
I think he has a good chance LiberalCatholic Jun 2015 #10
His odds are long for precisely the reason you describe DFW Jun 2015 #11
Just curious jaxind Jun 2015 #12
They left to head back to Ohio this morning, Mother Of Four Jun 2015 #21
I feel very good about your feel good moment! Go Bernie! secondwind Jun 2015 #13
Great! rock Jun 2015 #14
Thanks Rock! Mother Of Four Jun 2015 #22
Right you are! rock Jun 2015 #25
I'm happy to see this. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #15
Bernie is one of my senators... gregcrawford Jun 2015 #16
I have been happily blown away by how well Bernie has been doing. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #17
Ideological purists swilton Jun 2015 #18
Replying to find later, thanks, nt stopwastingmymoney Jun 2015 #26
What will they do when they find their 'Independent' is running as a Democrat? freshwest Jun 2015 #19
Cool thing is they do know he's running in the D primary - Mother Of Four Jun 2015 #23
That part is cool. Main thing is they don't default to R again. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #28
Thank you for your concern :) Caretha Jun 2015 #30
People on the right will not vote for Bernie treestar Jun 2015 #20
How do you know what they are thinking of? truebluegreen Jun 2015 #32
If they are Republicans, they will soon figure out treestar Jun 2015 #35
Your words on not the reality that's happening in the real world. cui bono Jun 2015 #34
One person here and a family there treestar Jun 2015 #36
Shows exactly why Bernie is capable of winning big. Octafish Jun 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #27
I've been saying this all along Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #29
I've seen a couple of right wing acquaintances on Facebook Oilwellian Jun 2015 #31
FEEL THE BERN!!! cui bono Jun 2015 #33
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. Bernie People for the Win
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:22 AM
Jun 2015

This is the first real deal, People campaign I've ever seen and Bernie even said he will win because People, and not big money, will decide.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
2. Sanders becomes more viable every day.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:25 AM
Jun 2015

The fact that an unnamed team tries a new smear every day to drag him down is testament to that.

But these feel-good stories about his appeal way beyond party lines - Is Sanders capable of a re-allignment, do you think?

caraher

(6,279 posts)
4. Ironic how branding Bernie as (I) helps
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:39 AM
Jun 2015

They probably wouldn't listen if they knew he's generally to the left of (D)! Well done!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
5. Indeed, he really can win this thing, Mother...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:01 AM
Jun 2015

Your story is a prime example of the message finding its way to every day experiences of living in the USA.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
6. More Stories!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:36 AM
Jun 2015

I know there will be lots more stories like this as we move along. If we get the message out, he's in...like flinn, whoever he is.

indivisibleman

(482 posts)
7. I have noticed this interest in Bernie from people on the right too.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:37 AM
Jun 2015

It is mostly folks that are centrist but usually vote R when the election comes around. But what is interesting is that they are bringing up Bernie on their own. It is like they are willing to listen to him because he isn't a Democrat.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
9. I haven't heard the term "whackadoodle" in a monkey years.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:39 AM
Jun 2015


Enjoyed reading your post .You're a good storyteller

LiberalCatholic

(91 posts)
10. I think he has a good chance
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:41 AM
Jun 2015

He makes sense when he talks and with more exposure will gain more support. I like HRC and will support her if she gets the nomination. I worry about her chances in the general election. She is very polarizing. My 18 year old son is a passionate progressive. He has stated he will not vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. He loves Bernie, though. Even wants to volunteer in the campaign.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
11. His odds are long for precisely the reason you describe
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jun 2015

The Media will not go on in detail about his positions, so it is word of mouth plus the internet that will have to do it unless and until he provokes some serious media attention.

Once THAT happens (IF it happens) then look for the true barometer of a non-Republican's impact--if Fox Noise starts slamming him with any regularity, THEN you'll know the other side has sat up and noticed.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
12. Just curious
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:53 AM
Jun 2015

Just curious - you said grampa was going to seriously read up more on Bernie. I'm wondering - did you hear from him after he read up more? I'm wondering if he likes Bernie even more now.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
21. They left to head back to Ohio this morning,
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jun 2015

So he's probably not read much on him yet. I'm giving him a couple days.


rock

(13,218 posts)
25. Right you are!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

I tickled pink because our choices are so good. Though I don't have much feel the other two, they're at least Democrats.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
16. Bernie is one of my senators...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:34 AM
Jun 2015

... and he's the real deal. I've met him and spoken with him several times. I remember when he was first elected as the Mayor of Burlington. The only time I've disagreed with him is over basing the F-35 with the Vermont Air National Guard in Burlington.

But he'll have my vote. And the mealy-mouthed trolls who claim he's "not good on race" have not done their homework. Bernie got his start in politics by working in the trenches and marching during the fight for civil rights in the sixties. He, and thousands of others, risked their lives in support of equal rights for people of color. We obviously have a long way to go, but Bernie is the man to lead us in that fight.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
18. Ideological purists
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

are critical of Bernie because of some of his foreign policy decisions.

I think that that is foolish if you think of what Bernie is doing - he's essentially making this current political process more like a European system with multiple parties....to present a crude depiction of the spectrum.

far, far right (Republican)

neo-liberal (Democrat)

left (Social Democrat)
hard left (Green)

The ideological purists don't recognize that even in Europe - there would not be political unanimity - the Greens just don't have that much power....what they do do is participate in coalitions. Sanders demonstrates that he is trying to open up the US duopoly political spectrum: evidence is lobbying the Democratic National Committee to open up the primary debates to different voices and to have those debates issues based (rather than the soft-ball silly questions normally raised). The other evidence of opening the political spectrum is that Sanders 12 points supports publicly funded elections.

This is extremely sophisticated political posturing btw and I am convinced Sanders campaign offers opportunities for fundamental and revolutionary change. The memes going around about him not appealing to non-whites is being pushed by the Hillary camp - the non-white/minority vote is the way that she's tailoring her campaign...That doesn't have to be Sanders' strategy and I don't think it is...I think he is basing his campaign on class. Like Clinton I he's going for a 50 state strategy. Unlike Clinton I, his base won't be conservatives and Blue Dog Democrats but on progressives and class issues that transcends race and political parties.

It would be interesting to reconcile this strategy with Ralph Nader's book UNSTOPPABLE: The Emerging Left Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. What will they do when they find their 'Independent' is running as a Democrat?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jun 2015

Will they fall back on older ways of thinking?

HRC was called out by the GOP as 'big government.' So has Obama.

You may not get the conversion you're hoping for, but I certainly hope so.

Keep at them... Especially the GOP plan to eviscerate SS.

Of course during the last shut down, the baggers had already bought into the 'It's Obama's fault' routine. They said that he refused to work with the GOP!

But they didn't know what the GOP was trying to get away with, and couldn't answer me when I tried their old meme on them - 'Have you ever heard of a 'tax and spend liberal' who didn't want to spend?

They had no answer, but kept on with the 'If Obama was being reasonable, the government would not have had to be shut down.' Completely disregarding that Cornyn and Paul were giddy about it. Paul said he could frame the idea of default as being reasonable.

With that, their money would mean nothing, and as Paul said, they would cut SS for everyone to 40% of the current payout.

They likely never followed the process closely. You've got a hard road with them but keep up the good work.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
23. Cool thing is they do know he's running in the D primary -
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jun 2015

I know it's not a slam dunk. They didn't commit to anything but saying they would look into him further. I'm just tickled that they ARE looking into him you know? It's a start, and I definitely am going to follow up on it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. People on the right will not vote for Bernie
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

And why would that be a good way to get liberals to like him? Makes no sense. Once they find out he is a socialist, it'll be the end of their interest. They are thinking of a Perot-like independent.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
32. How do you know what they are thinking of?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015

Sounds to me like they were talking about policy. And as has been pointed out over and over, liberal policies without the liberal label are very much mainstream in this country.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. One person here and a family there
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jun 2015

Republicans are not going to flock to Bernie. Dream on.

What is hilarious is some people (may not be you) are against things because the Republicans are for them. Then they should turn against Bernie in that dream world where Republicans want him.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. Shows exactly why Bernie is capable of winning big.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jun 2015

People are sick of the screws getting turned on them. D, R, I -- doesn't matter as much as a candidate with INTEGRITY who will do after elected what they talked about as a candidate is what everybody wants.

Response to Mother Of Four (Original post)

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
29. I've been saying this all along
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary's support is a mile wide and an inch deep. She has Wall Street and Yellow Dog Democrats. That's it. She has ZERO crossover appeal. Bernie has a LONG history of putting his legislation/votes where his mouth is. He's not all talk unlike EVERY other person running for their respective nomination. The guy is the real deal and the more people learn about him the more support he's going to have. He has ENORMOUS cross-over appeal.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
31. I've seen a couple of right wing acquaintances on Facebook
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jun 2015

upload pictures of Sanders with some of his quotes. Both pertain to the work he's done for veterans. The first time was a nice surprise...the second time makes me think there's an interesting undercurrent bubbling up. The country is so hungry for a leader that cares about the people.

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