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By Laura Barron-Lopez , Jennifer Bendery, & Ryan Grim - 06/12/2015 12:27 pm EDT
WASHINGTON -- With his trade agenda hanging in the balance, President Barack Obama unexpectedly ventured to Capitol Hill on Friday morning to meet with Democratic lawmakers still wavering in their support. He promptly insulted their integrity, took no questions, and left, those lawmakers said.
"Basically, the president tried to both guilt people and then impugn their integrity," Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) said. "There were a number of us who were insulted by the approach."
DeFazio was one of a number of Democrats who left the meeting saying Obama's message was off key. They said he repeatedly used the phrase "play it straight" in making his pitch: If you oppose TPA, vote against it. If you support TPA, vote for it. But if you've supported TAA in the past and will again in the future, don't oppose it now just to sink the entire trade deal.
TAA stands for Trade Adjustment Assistance, money doled out to workers who inevitably lose their jobs as a result of the trade deal. TPA stands for Trade Promotion Authority, which gives the president the ability to expedite trade deals through Congress on straight up-or-down votes. Because of the way House leaders have set up votes, the House must pass TAA in order to get to the TPA vote, but many Republicans oppose helping the dislocated workers. Influential conservative groups Club for Growth and Heritage Action both strongly oppose the TAA. So Obama and House Republican leadership had been counting on Democrats to get TAA approved, then would rely mostly on Republicans to pass TPA, which is also known as "fast track."....
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truebrit71
(20,805 posts)When your best buddy for a piece of legislation is John Boner you are officially doing it wrong...
djean111
(14,255 posts)next week, it will come up again and pass, and the Dems who vote yes will say well, we tried.
Red Oak
(697 posts)We've seen this charade over and over again. It shows our democracy is not working right now.
Soon fast track comes up again and, after all the theater of this week dies down a bit, some dumb excuse will be given as to why it is now a good deal, blah, blah, blah.... I am for it after I was against it....blah, blah, blah.
Dems that switch should be dumped in the primary elections.
Cynical? Just watch for a few weeks and tell me I am cynical. Glad to have egg on my face with this one.
BTW - where is Hillary? Some leadership, that. Really makes me want to vote for her.
However cynical my position, I will not give up calling my rep and trying to make my views heard, nor will I give up my right to vote for a candidate that leads from the front, where the real hard choices are faced, not relegated to a focus group.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Nah, more like realist.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)It looks like a prelude to that very thing.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Of course, it is hard to make someone see what they are paid not to.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I hope he sees what he has called the cornerstone of his legacy, crumble.
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DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Yes, let's lock the poster up in a mental facility for speaking her mind about the President.
amb123
(1,581 posts)Declare them mentally ill and lock them away in asylums.
Enthusiast
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ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Cuz, Cali is 100% USDA prime correct on this.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)- Juror #1
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)That was too funny.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and should be alerted on.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Comments like that make DU suck.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Utter bullshit. But a great ruse - put it in, then dramatically pull it out again, and act like that was the big negative.
Yes, exactly like being fucked.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)Is VERY arrogant ... And sad. ..
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)different circumstances.
President Obama's message rings very true. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
cali
(114,904 posts)lark
(23,158 posts)If opposing TAA sinks TPP - EXCELLENT - BEST POSSIBLE RESULT. The president is wrong on TPP.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Why should we expect it to work under the TPP?
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I heard they want to fund workers that loose jobs due to TPA with Medicare funds. Not sure if that's for TAA or not.
This stuff is confusing and probably made that way on purpose!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The "plan" was to pass TAA, and then pass another bill to not steal the money from Medicare.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)ruffburr
(1,190 posts)I always supported Pres.Obama, At this point I quit, I do not understand exactly what is on his mind, but this is a betrayal of all of his supporters, Mr Obama, I never wavered from support for you till now and I will never again have respect for you, I won't vote for you or buy any memoirs etc. That you are sure to pen.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Ensuring a comfortable retirement.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)the O man doesn't really want this after all.
Remember how he stopped the cuts to SS a while back. All he has to do be for something to kill it.
pscot
(21,024 posts)makes a comeback. This has all been a charade to lure Republicans into his snare. He and Hillary probably planned it together.
madokie
(51,076 posts)but no go.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)questions, so that is presumably what backfired? Or he went there after knowing he does not have the votes
and went as a last ditched effort to express his frustration....if you're trying to persuade people, how do you
do that by not answering questions?
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)The TAA is just an insidious attempt at greasing the TPP through via redistribution of a sort.
Why not just prevent the job losses in the first place? Then, no need to play football with medicare, or any other safety net programs.
"Free Trade" or "Globalism" is not "inevitable", it's not an unstoppable law of physics: It's a deliberate, man-made policy to transfer wealth from the working class to the one percent.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Red Oak
(697 posts)These trade bills never have supported the American worker, they only allow more ability to export jobs to places that don't have to play by the same rules we do. There is no way TPP will EVER benefit the American worker outside Wall Street or the executive suite, thus the secrecy.
Dem Reps that switch votes in the near future on this issue should be voted against in their primary election. Dump the sorry DINOs.
Presidential candidates that choose to hide when such a HUGE issue is in front of Congress should not be voted for. TPP is much too important an issue to parse with " I can't speak now because I'm on a listening tour...." Yeah, right. How convenient for you.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)amaze-balls fan-fricking-tastic for the American economy and its workers?
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)I'm not posting much anymore, but I just had to sign in after reading your question. Well done, bullwinkle.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Red Oak
(697 posts)Why don't we see the media types asking it?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)CanonRay
(14,118 posts)Fuck TPA, TPP, TAA and all the other acronyms.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Even if I supported these awful, hideous trade deals, I would oppose the TPA. No President should have that power, no matter what trade deal he is promoting. Congress should wait and see what is finally negotiated, and then puts its input to the deal with a vigorous debate and voting for amendments.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Good paying jobs. We want to produce stuff. We want to live American exceptional-ism. We want to avoid eroding our living standards for the enrichment of multinational corporations. They (corporations) seem like takers. If corporations are people, then that guy is a dick.
"if you've supported TAA in the past and will again in the future, don't oppose it now just to sink the entire trade deal."
davekriss
(4,628 posts)...never mind a Democratic President who, according to Poltical Compass in 2008, was only slightly right of center, push ANY legislation that "displaces" workers?
We need a government that - minimum - will directly invest and encourage private capital to invest in infrastructure and human capital, not one that pushes policies that benefit the few at the cost of the many.
But then there's that darn Princeton study that points out we do not have a democracy anymore, we live under the rule of the oligarchs and the political class are their servants.
On edit: "...pushes policies that benefit the few...": The policies increase the rate of return on capital by reducing the costs of labor and regulation. Um, the vast majority of us, 99% of us, are in fact "labor" - where did we sign up for a government that is willing to reduces our wages to bolster profit for the 1%? Where did we sign up to have our air polluted, our water besmirched, our medicines kept outrageously expensive, just so the capitalist can accumulate more capital?
polichick
(37,152 posts)salib
(2,116 posts)Like he did not want to face up to the possibility of an embarrassing loss.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Shame on him.
I was helping an elderly Republican neighbor of mine (a Ben Carson supporter) move some things upstairs over the weekend; and when the conversation (inevitably) turned to politics, the first words out her mouth were that "Obama is a coward and a puppet."
And for the first time in my life, I agreed.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I don't actually know what Obama is. Mystery man. I thought I knew when I cried actual tears at his inauguration. Since then I have been proven wrong several times.
forest444
(5,902 posts)And of so many other Democrats and progressives.
I mean, this is a president who's job has been made next to impossible by corporate power grabs like Citizens United.
This is a man who started his career advocating for people in the very Southside Chicago neighborhood devastated by the first wave of outsourcing in the steel and mechanical industry in the 1980s. He saw first hand what corporate economic treason does to people- and ultimately to a country.
And yet, there he is. Catering like an obsequious butler to the whims of those who despise him and give his political enemies every assistance and support they can.
Frankly, it's things like this TPP spectacle (and other shows of cowardice, notably his coddling the vulture funds that launder drug money and are silently destroying our standing abroad) that give credence to these rumors the tea baggers like to spread about his supposed trysts in Chicago bath houses in the '80s and other skeletons in the closet.
I know he knows better than to embarrass himself as a cheerleader for the TPP; could it be that he is, in fact, being extorted?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)At all. I have entertained every imaginable explanation.
davekriss
(4,628 posts)I've long wondered in dreamy moments if something like that has been in play. After all, the powers that would threaten foreign leaders with ruin or, if those leaders still disobey, removal by coup or assassination, their ethics would hardly stop their behavior just because there is an arbitrary boundary defining the "United States of America".
They are run amok. Witness the impeachment of Clinton; the December 12, 2000 traitorous decision of the SCOTUS; 911; lying us into war; repeated election theft; 2 tax cuts this century giving away more for the 1% in ten years than the projected shortfall of social security over the next 75. What's to stop them? Like rapacious cockroaches on automatic they consume what was once known as the middle class.