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think

(11,641 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:49 PM Jun 2015

Obama's Last-Minute Trade Pitch To Dems May Have Backfired

Obama's Last-Minute Trade Pitch To Dems May Have Backfired

By Laura Barron-Lopez , Jennifer Bendery, & Ryan Grim - 06/12/2015 12:27 pm EDT

WASHINGTON -- With his trade agenda hanging in the balance, President Barack Obama unexpectedly ventured to Capitol Hill on Friday morning to meet with Democratic lawmakers still wavering in their support. He promptly insulted their integrity, took no questions, and left, those lawmakers said.

"Basically, the president tried to both guilt people and then impugn their integrity," Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) said. "There were a number of us who were insulted by the approach."

DeFazio was one of a number of Democrats who left the meeting saying Obama's message was off key. They said he repeatedly used the phrase "play it straight" in making his pitch: If you oppose TPA, vote against it. If you support TPA, vote for it. But if you've supported TAA in the past and will again in the future, don't oppose it now just to sink the entire trade deal.

TAA stands for Trade Adjustment Assistance, money doled out to workers who inevitably lose their jobs as a result of the trade deal. TPA stands for Trade Promotion Authority, which gives the president the ability to expedite trade deals through Congress on straight up-or-down votes. Because of the way House leaders have set up votes, the House must pass TAA in order to get to the TPA vote, but many Republicans oppose helping the dislocated workers. Influential conservative groups Club for Growth and Heritage Action both strongly oppose the TAA. So Obama and House Republican leadership had been counting on Democrats to get TAA approved, then would rely mostly on Republicans to pass TPA, which is also known as "fast track."....

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Obama's Last-Minute Trade Pitch To Dems May Have Backfired (Original Post) think Jun 2015 OP
Let's hope so... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #1
Now I am trying to brace myself for a ceremonial failure, and then over the weekend or djean111 Jun 2015 #4
You are absolutely correct, and it stinks. Red Oak Jun 2015 #40
Cynical? awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #70
yes, you are right... but we can at least appreciate this temporary victory Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #45
That's what I'm worried about. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #68
And Paul Fucking Ryan n/t Oilwellian Jun 2015 #25
Yep, and a few here don't see it awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #69
I wish, but I think enough of them are bought and paid for. CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #2
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #3
greatest president ever. fucking not cali Jun 2015 #5
Jury results B2G Jun 2015 #15
Juror 4 is straight out of one of Orwell's nighmares DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #26
That's how the Soviet Union dealt with dissadents amb123 Jun 2015 #34
The truth about the President shall remain a secret like the trade deal. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #58
The jury system DOES work. Good. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #27
Do you know the country of origin on that cut of meat? Enthusiast Jun 2015 #60
Nirvana? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #67
lol, my darling juror #4. Bet you lack the nerve to identify yourself to me. cali Jun 2015 #28
Lol. Don't hold your breath. B2G Jun 2015 #31
thanks, #1 cali Jun 2015 #36
It weren't me!! Hi Cali! Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #49
Juror #4 needs to work on his/her manners. City Lights Jun 2015 #29
Juror #4's post violates DU standards JimDandy Jun 2015 #41
^^ This! nt dorkzilla Jun 2015 #50
I completely agree. I hope someone alerted on it. City Lights Jun 2015 #52
It does! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #61
To me this looks more like a poll and the Vermont Cheddar beats Velveeta 6 to 1 in this taste survey corkhead Jun 2015 #65
Oh, and that is just bullshit to imply that the negative stuff is only about TAA. djean111 Jun 2015 #6
WOW! The arrogance....so sad... TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #7
Yes, the President promoting such an anti-worker anti-climate anti-sovereignty bill Trajan Jun 2015 #53
To oppose TAA now is to kill the program permanently. Republicans will never allow it pass under tritsofme Jun 2015 #8
+1 YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #10
how effective has it been? cali Jun 2015 #20
Most progressive Dems and liberal economists oppose TPP. lark Jun 2015 #42
Well, TAA failed under NAFTA, failed under CAFTA, failed under other trade deals jeff47 Jun 2015 #44
Aren't they wanting to take Medicare money to fund TAA newfie11 Jun 2015 #9
That was the plan according to what I read yesterday. Divernan Jun 2015 #33
That was my understanding too. Liberalynn Jun 2015 #39
Yes. The Republicans put in that poison pill and then passed it in the Senate. jeff47 Jun 2015 #46
DeFazio was on my TV and it sounded like it has nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #11
For the record- ruffburr Jun 2015 #12
"do not understand exactly what is on his mind" awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #71
I both emailed and called the WH and my rep. NO TPA NO TPP. No rip off of medicaid/medicare. jwirr Jun 2015 #13
Sounds to me like madokie Jun 2015 #14
Whoa! Multi-dimensional chess pscot Jun 2015 #18
You're funny madokie Jun 2015 #19
Something here makes no sense..he goes there as a last ditched effort but will not answer Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #16
TAA is them admitting there WILL be job losses Populist_Prole Jun 2015 #17
my sentiments exactly! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #47
Populist_Prole - you are absolutely correct. Red Oak Jun 2015 #57
Whatever it takes...nt City Lights Jun 2015 #21
Question - why is the TAA even necessary, if the TPP is so absolutely super-duper bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #22
Excellent question! Shemp Howard Jun 2015 #43
yep! exactly! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #48
Quit asking good questions. It annoys some people on this site apparently. RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #51
Such a GREAT question! Red Oak Jun 2015 #59
I think Boners endorsement might help sink it too. B Calm Jun 2015 #23
People don't want "money doled out to people"...they want jobs that pay a living wage CanonRay Jun 2015 #24
Good. nt silvershadow Jun 2015 #30
Opposition to Fast Track is more complicated than just opposing the trade deals Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #32
We don't want the assistance. We'll take it if we have to, but we want jobs . . . Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #35
Why would any American President... davekriss Jun 2015 #37
More presidential assholery - not a good look. polichick Jun 2015 #38
Feels like another desperate act to me. salib Jun 2015 #54
Good. forest444 Jun 2015 #55
Worse than that........................ Enthusiast Jun 2015 #62
My sentiments exactly forest444 Jun 2015 #63
I just do not know. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #64
See "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" davekriss Jun 2015 #66
Would you describe that approach as aloof? Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #56
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
1. Let's hope so...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

When your best buddy for a piece of legislation is John Boner you are officially doing it wrong...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Now I am trying to brace myself for a ceremonial failure, and then over the weekend or
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

next week, it will come up again and pass, and the Dems who vote yes will say well, we tried.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
40. You are absolutely correct, and it stinks.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

We've seen this charade over and over again. It shows our democracy is not working right now.

Soon fast track comes up again and, after all the theater of this week dies down a bit, some dumb excuse will be given as to why it is now a good deal, blah, blah, blah.... I am for it after I was against it....blah, blah, blah.

Dems that switch should be dumped in the primary elections.

Cynical? Just watch for a few weeks and tell me I am cynical. Glad to have egg on my face with this one.

BTW - where is Hillary? Some leadership, that. Really makes me want to vote for her.

However cynical my position, I will not give up calling my rep and trying to make my views heard, nor will I give up my right to vote for a candidate that leads from the front, where the real hard choices are faced, not relegated to a focus group.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
69. Yep, and a few here don't see it
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:44 PM
Jun 2015

Of course, it is hard to make someone see what they are paid not to.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
5. greatest president ever. fucking not
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

I hope he sees what he has called the cornerstone of his legacy, crumble.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
15. Jury results
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jun 2015

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DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
26. Juror 4 is straight out of one of Orwell's nighmares
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jun 2015

Yes, let's lock the poster up in a mental facility for speaking her mind about the President.

amb123

(1,581 posts)
34. That's how the Soviet Union dealt with dissadents
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jun 2015

Declare them mentally ill and lock them away in asylums.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
65. To me this looks more like a poll and the Vermont Cheddar beats Velveeta 6 to 1 in this taste survey
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jun 2015
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. Oh, and that is just bullshit to imply that the negative stuff is only about TAA.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jun 2015

Utter bullshit. But a great ruse - put it in, then dramatically pull it out again, and act like that was the big negative.
Yes, exactly like being fucked.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
53. Yes, the President promoting such an anti-worker anti-climate anti-sovereignty bill
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jun 2015

Is VERY arrogant ... And sad. ..

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
8. To oppose TAA now is to kill the program permanently. Republicans will never allow it pass under
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jun 2015

different circumstances.

President Obama's message rings very true. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

lark

(23,158 posts)
42. Most progressive Dems and liberal economists oppose TPP.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jun 2015

If opposing TAA sinks TPP - EXCELLENT - BEST POSSIBLE RESULT. The president is wrong on TPP.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
44. Well, TAA failed under NAFTA, failed under CAFTA, failed under other trade deals
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:51 PM
Jun 2015

Why should we expect it to work under the TPP?

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
9. Aren't they wanting to take Medicare money to fund TAA
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

I heard they want to fund workers that loose jobs due to TPA with Medicare funds. Not sure if that's for TAA or not.

This stuff is confusing and probably made that way on purpose!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
46. Yes. The Republicans put in that poison pill and then passed it in the Senate.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

The "plan" was to pass TAA, and then pass another bill to not steal the money from Medicare.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
12. For the record-
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jun 2015

I always supported Pres.Obama, At this point I quit, I do not understand exactly what is on his mind, but this is a betrayal of all of his supporters, Mr Obama, I never wavered from support for you till now and I will never again have respect for you, I won't vote for you or buy any memoirs etc. That you are sure to pen.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. Sounds to me like
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jun 2015

the O man doesn't really want this after all.

Remember how he stopped the cuts to SS a while back. All he has to do be for something to kill it.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
18. Whoa! Multi-dimensional chess
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jun 2015

makes a comeback. This has all been a charade to lure Republicans into his snare. He and Hillary probably planned it together.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
16. Something here makes no sense..he goes there as a last ditched effort but will not answer
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

questions, so that is presumably what backfired? Or he went there after knowing he does not have the votes
and went as a last ditched effort to express his frustration....if you're trying to persuade people, how do you
do that by not answering questions?

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
17. TAA is them admitting there WILL be job losses
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jun 2015

The TAA is just an insidious attempt at greasing the TPP through via redistribution of a sort.

Why not just prevent the job losses in the first place? Then, no need to play football with medicare, or any other safety net programs.

"Free Trade" or "Globalism" is not "inevitable", it's not an unstoppable law of physics: It's a deliberate, man-made policy to transfer wealth from the working class to the one percent.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
57. Populist_Prole - you are absolutely correct.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

These trade bills never have supported the American worker, they only allow more ability to export jobs to places that don't have to play by the same rules we do. There is no way TPP will EVER benefit the American worker outside Wall Street or the executive suite, thus the secrecy.

Dem Reps that switch votes in the near future on this issue should be voted against in their primary election. Dump the sorry DINOs.

Presidential candidates that choose to hide when such a HUGE issue is in front of Congress should not be voted for. TPP is much too important an issue to parse with " I can't speak now because I'm on a listening tour...." Yeah, right. How convenient for you.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
22. Question - why is the TAA even necessary, if the TPP is so absolutely super-duper
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jun 2015

amaze-balls fan-fricking-tastic for the American economy and its workers?

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
43. Excellent question!
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not posting much anymore, but I just had to sign in after reading your question. Well done, bullwinkle.

CanonRay

(14,118 posts)
24. People don't want "money doled out to people"...they want jobs that pay a living wage
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jun 2015

Fuck TPA, TPP, TAA and all the other acronyms.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
32. Opposition to Fast Track is more complicated than just opposing the trade deals
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jun 2015

Even if I supported these awful, hideous trade deals, I would oppose the TPA. No President should have that power, no matter what trade deal he is promoting. Congress should wait and see what is finally negotiated, and then puts its input to the deal with a vigorous debate and voting for amendments.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
35. We don't want the assistance. We'll take it if we have to, but we want jobs . . .
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jun 2015

Good paying jobs. We want to produce stuff. We want to live American exceptional-ism. We want to avoid eroding our living standards for the enrichment of multinational corporations. They (corporations) seem like takers. If corporations are people, then that guy is a dick.

"if you've supported TAA in the past and will again in the future, don't oppose it now just to sink the entire trade deal."

davekriss

(4,628 posts)
37. Why would any American President...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jun 2015

...never mind a Democratic President who, according to Poltical Compass in 2008, was only slightly right of center, push ANY legislation that "displaces" workers?

We need a government that - minimum - will directly invest and encourage private capital to invest in infrastructure and human capital, not one that pushes policies that benefit the few at the cost of the many.

But then there's that darn Princeton study that points out we do not have a democracy anymore, we live under the rule of the oligarchs and the political class are their servants.

On edit: "...pushes policies that benefit the few...": The policies increase the rate of return on capital by reducing the costs of labor and regulation. Um, the vast majority of us, 99% of us, are in fact "labor" - where did we sign up for a government that is willing to reduces our wages to bolster profit for the 1%? Where did we sign up to have our air polluted, our water besmirched, our medicines kept outrageously expensive, just so the capitalist can accumulate more capital?

salib

(2,116 posts)
54. Feels like another desperate act to me.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015

Like he did not want to face up to the possibility of an embarrassing loss.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
55. Good.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jun 2015

Shame on him.

I was helping an elderly Republican neighbor of mine (a Ben Carson supporter) move some things upstairs over the weekend; and when the conversation (inevitably) turned to politics, the first words out her mouth were that "Obama is a coward and a puppet."

And for the first time in my life, I agreed.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
62. Worse than that........................
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jun 2015

I don't actually know what Obama is. Mystery man. I thought I knew when I cried actual tears at his inauguration. Since then I have been proven wrong several times.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
63. My sentiments exactly
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

And of so many other Democrats and progressives.

I mean, this is a president who's job has been made next to impossible by corporate power grabs like Citizens United.

This is a man who started his career advocating for people in the very Southside Chicago neighborhood devastated by the first wave of outsourcing in the steel and mechanical industry in the 1980s. He saw first hand what corporate economic treason does to people- and ultimately to a country.

And yet, there he is. Catering like an obsequious butler to the whims of those who despise him and give his political enemies every assistance and support they can.

Frankly, it's things like this TPP spectacle (and other shows of cowardice, notably his coddling the vulture funds that launder drug money and are silently destroying our standing abroad) that give credence to these rumors the tea baggers like to spread about his supposed trysts in Chicago bath houses in the '80s and other skeletons in the closet.

I know he knows better than to embarrass himself as a cheerleader for the TPP; could it be that he is, in fact, being extorted?

davekriss

(4,628 posts)
66. See "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jun 2015

I've long wondered in dreamy moments if something like that has been in play. After all, the powers that would threaten foreign leaders with ruin or, if those leaders still disobey, removal by coup or assassination, their ethics would hardly stop their behavior just because there is an arbitrary boundary defining the "United States of America".

They are run amok. Witness the impeachment of Clinton; the December 12, 2000 traitorous decision of the SCOTUS; 911; lying us into war; repeated election theft; 2 tax cuts this century giving away more for the 1% in ten years than the projected shortfall of social security over the next 75. What's to stop them? Like rapacious cockroaches on automatic they consume what was once known as the middle class.


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