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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:12 PM Jun 2015

It's shocking so many people including NAACP are defending Dolezal

I can only surmise that her defenders have never been involved with a compulsive liar and are totally unaware how much havoc and pain they leave in their wake. Her parents know as she has made them out to be liars and abusers. True to form this compulsive liar ends up looking like the victim and having her lies taken as the truth.

Given that lots of white people have worked for civil rights, she didn't have to be black to so. Of course, being a white civil rights activist probably would not have got her to the position of president of any branch of the NAACP but she still could have been effective However it clearly wasn't enough for her to be any old foot soldier but like all compulsive liars she had no qualms about manipulating events to suit herself.

What she needs is therapy not defenders and those around her should run for the hills until she gets serious therapy.




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It's shocking so many people including NAACP are defending Dolezal (Original Post) snagglepuss Jun 2015 OP
I feel empathy. bravenak Jun 2015 #1
What havoc and damage has she caused? kwassa Jun 2015 #2
What she has said about her parents is horrible. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2015 #5
Exactly. What she needs is treatment. snagglepuss Jun 2015 #7
Her parents might be horrible. kwassa Jun 2015 #12
When she was attedding that all black university she got snagglepuss Jun 2015 #6
How does it hurt the NAACP? kwassa Jun 2015 #13
It feeds the "minority privilege" meme, like Warren's claiming to be Native American Recursion Jun 2015 #15
this doesn't sound like that to me. kwassa Jun 2015 #16
And people are making the "transrace transition" argument all over the blogosphere Recursion Jun 2015 #17
Is it going to remain active after this? mythology Jun 2015 #18
I feel bad for her...and she does need help... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #3
They didn't 'out' her. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2015 #8
I'd heard they went to the local news station in Spokane... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #11
Is she a compulsive liar, or is she mentally ill with a dysmorphia? MADem Jun 2015 #4
Figure... jberryhill Jun 2015 #10
I think she has a good record with the NAACP. Maybe she got along better with her siblings than MADem Jun 2015 #14
Did she defraud the NAACP or work for their benefit? NightWatcher Jun 2015 #9
I don't see the big deal. woolldog Jun 2015 #19
Did you my my post? To maintain her lie she has implicated snagglepuss Jun 2015 #20

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
2. What havoc and damage has she caused?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

She apparently revived the NAACP chapter in Spokane. This is not a bad thing.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
6. When she was attedding that all black university she got
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jun 2015

a scholarship which meant that someone who didn't have the options she had didn't. To ingratiate herself into the black community she concocted lies about her family which have made them appear to liars. She accused them of whipping her like a slave because of her skin color. She said they have lied about her real father; she maintains that the man who says he is her father is only her step-father.

She may have revived that chapter of the NAACP but at what cost? Does the end justify the means?


How does it help the NAACP now that her lies have surfaced? They look like they have been played as fools.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. It feeds the "minority privilege" meme, like Warren's claiming to be Native American
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jun 2015

In both cases, they claimed to be members of a minority group they weren't in order to advance their careers. This feeds the "white people don't get the advantages other races do" line, which we don't need any more of right now.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
16. this doesn't sound like that to me.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jun 2015

this has more to do with her real psychological identity, to me, rather than a calculated career move.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. And people are making the "transrace transition" argument all over the blogosphere
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:44 PM
Jun 2015

Hell, if anything that's more intuitively understandable than the transgender position, since race is much more clearly a social and political artifact than gender is.

I've seen a few people argue "why would she step away from white privilege?" Well, she found a purpose, which is worth that to some people.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
18. Is it going to remain active after this?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

The leader of an organization having such a high profile fall will have an impact.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
3. I feel bad for her...and she does need help...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

And considering it was her parents who "outed" her and created a media circus, clearly there's blame on their part for her emotional and mental state.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
11. I'd heard they went to the local news station in Spokane...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

Either way, appearing on CNN was sure to help their daughter's fragile state.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. Is she a compulsive liar, or is she mentally ill with a dysmorphia?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know a thing about the woman. Has she been effective in her job, otherwise?

Some people might care more about results, and how she's treated them. I've seen two POC speak up for her, and a few against, as well. All of the white people I've seen opine on this subject have either a torch or a pitchfork.

Like I say, I wasn't even aware this woman existed until yesterday. I'd say that her issues have more to do with the way her brain is processing information than simple mendacity. The fact that she has defenders might give my lousy opinion a bit more weight.

I'm not invested in any outcome, here--my mind could easily be changed with more information.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Figure...
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jun 2015

Of course, I don't know enough to have any real opinion.

These are two facts:

1. She was the biological child of parents who adopted several African American children.

2. She seems to have ongoing legal and personal issues with her parents.

I would imagine that it is difficult to be the "real" child of parents who also adopt, and she may have not adapted well to the family dynamics.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. I think she has a good record with the NAACP. Maybe she got along better with her siblings than
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jun 2015

her parents, for whatever reasons.

Sometimes weird things go on behind closed doors...who knows what the family dynamic was.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. Did she defraud the NAACP or work for their benefit?
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jun 2015

I thought I heard she was a good advocate. If she committed no crime or fraud, I don't see what the big deal is. We live in time where people can identify as either gender and we respect their wishes, I don't see a difference or a problem.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
19. I don't see the big deal.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jun 2015

If she prefers to be black, why not? Kudos to her.

If it really upsets you then you probably think race is something other than a socially defined and meaningless convention.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
20. Did you my my post? To maintain her lie she has implicated
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jun 2015

other people in her lies, notably her parents. She also under false pretenses got a full scholarship at a mainly black college. Would they have awarded her it had they known she was white? I doubt it as the university is there to nurture black scholars who don't have the same opportunities as whites. She also fabricated the story of receiving hate mail which has taken up police resources. The list goes on.

Your opinion seems to be tough luck that others have been hurt, only her needs matter and that lying all the way to get her needs met is of no significance.

Do you really think that if she didn't wear fake tan and create this elaborate web of lies, she would hold high office in the NAACP even though she deeply and sincerely identifies as black?

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