dear fellow Bernie supporters, I have a request
It would be great if not a single one of us pissed on the celebratory Clinton kick off rally threads tomorrow. It was a drag when some Clinton supporters did that in Bernie kickoff threads, though it should be noted that most Clinton supporters did not.

Tomorrow will be a great day for Clinton's DU supporters and they shouldn't have to deal with people pissing on those threads.

Just like Howard Dean back then if you were here.

It is meta-politics played out on small-scale internet message boards.

Essentially, Hillary is being criticized for her positions and Sanders is being criticized, err strike that, his SUPPORTERS are being criticized.

Kinda weird, is it not?

They can't discuss issues so they only have ad hominem attacks.

I think that resorting to criticizing supporters indicates weakness in the other candidate/s. Isn't a primary supposed to be about picking the best candidate, and aren't issues the CORE of picking the best candidate? If a candidate loses on issues, it might be time to think about another candidate.

I have a fundamental disagreement with the pov that politics, and party politics, take precedence over issues. That politics is about winning elections, even when you lose the issues. That, somehow, electing people who sell us down the river on issues is still a win as long as they have a D after their name.

I don't think that way of thinking helps the party or the people.

I was a "fringe activist" for Dean. (to quote the defunct DLC turned ThirdWay)

The way they put us down for supporting him was sickening. I would like to think it won't happen again...silly me.

Have you visited cnn.com lately?
cringe-worthy

The "news" shows seem to be nothing but talking points.

what passes for mainstream "media" (CNN, MSN, etc) is nothing but top ten lists and celebrity "news".

That pretty well covers stuff, and if I see something interesting I do more research on it.

If you might share some of your preferred sources.

Here are just a few. I follow trending at twitter, if it's worthwhile I do more research.

http://ourfuture.org/

http://nyceducator.com/

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

https://preaprez.wordpress.com/

http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com/

http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/

https://bobsidlethoughtsandmusings.wordpress.com/

I also get the emails from Daily Kos, In These Times, Alternet, Truth Dig and a few others.

I follow a lot of educators on Twitter, much info there.

I can barely keep up. Behind on latest Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Democracy Now....not enough time in the day! Good for you. Envious.

I never had time when I was still teaching. Loving it now.

Miss the kids, but don't miss administrators and policy changes.

Thanks for holding down the absolutely most important job in the world. I love teachers. Married one.

Your posts are very informative and I learn a lot.

other dudes.....

In a rational world, she would not be considered a credible journalist. Or at least have to recuse herself from some issues. This being one of them. I'm real tired of the insiders' club.

.... Mrs. Greenspan-General Electric. For shame, she's a nice Irish girl trying to make an honest wage. Stainless steel fridge, driven to work.

It's so hard to be the Joan Rivers of everything that no one should listen to.

Keep warm.

for a number of decades. until "Al" retired.. talk about a fucking conflict of interest all those years and NOW!.

interview of the dem. candidates by the Guardian.
By now I trust them a bit more than our MSM.

But keep preaching it, Bernie.

Plus, her hubby and Mrs. Clinton have been pals during all those state of the union addresses.

He stayed on message, and the only time he 'went there' and talked about Hillary specifically was about TPP. Bernie won't get personal, and it's really remarkable how unmoved he is by the questioning.

Andrea is such a bore.

She may have made a complete fool (or possibly tool) of herself, but Bernie SHINED!

I emitted a tiny scream every time Bernie finished a thought and she said "Clinton."

any interview with Bernie must adhere to the strict rules Bernie supporters have engraved in stone. Right?

Do not mention that he's Jewish and do not under any circumstances refer to Hillary. Other rules will show up as they are broken.

FWIW, Mitchell's interview was entirely about how Sanders compares with Clinton, who is, btw, the frontrunner (in case no one noticed).

She specifically asked what differences there are between them, and let Bernie give some excellent, if perhaps well-practiced, answers.

There was nothing wrong with this interview.

And there is nothing we can do about it. The Bernie forum is working hard to keep it clean there. I think the Hillary forum is as well.

It was a lousy interview for an experienced journalist. It was really obviously trying to pit him against Hillary.

that's what this whole primary thing is about.

duh!

Since he's the underdog, she probed to find out what the differences were.

Most of the voting population has no idea who he is, so she gave him the chance to compare himself to someone everyone knows something about.

But, hey, there's a script that must be adhered to...

But anyone who gives him a chance to talk is doing the same.

But you are quite wrong about the Hillary forum. They plot in there against Bernie supporters and the OP gets rec'd and applauded. Where as in the Bernie forum OPs that are negative are asked to be self-deleted and then are.

Sorry, but that's the truth. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I got banned for calling them on it in the OP I'm talking about. They also have posts about gaming DU's jury system. And I had an ardent Hillary supporter edit a post of his well after replies were made just to make me look wrong in my reply. It's pure projection when they complain about Bernie supporters.

There is the conspiracy theory post about Bernie supporters. Rec'd by 2 hosts and positive answers by 2 other hosts.

I doubt that we would allow that in the Bernie group.

Must give credit to the hosts in Bernie's forum. And most of us really do try to keep things peaceful.

It's manufactured drama for the viewing audience meant to get and keep viewers not to inform viewers.

They just can't help covering this with a "horse race" style. All drama, no substance.

the REAL candidate, so everything has to revolve around her. It's so fucking transparent.

This is a primary. I don't know how old you are but I have been around for quite a few.

It does not matter who the 'front runner' is this far out.

Bill Bradley was the front-runner in the Dem primary in 1992. And Bill Clinton was further behind in the polls at this time and he won. Was Clinton constantly asked in media interviews about comparisons between him and Bradley? No.

In 2008, HRC was the front-runner and the sure bet as well for the Dem primary until that upstart Obama beat her. Was Obama asked in every fucking interview how he compared to HRC? No.

So your post is just that - horseshit.

No one has a problem if an interviewer actually asked questions about Sanders 'Jewness'. Is he a practicing religious Jew? Is he a cultural Jew? Does it influence his world view? Hell, those would be questions to ask for someone without a high name recognition.

But that was not what NPR's Rehm did. She stated (but did not ask!) that Sanders was a dual citizen of Israel. She saw it on a list. Who else is on that list? blah blah blah.

To pretend these two are at all alike is yet again....horseshit!

be bowed and scraped to.

FWIW, I remember Nixon being trashed for his beard shadow and then all those voting machines in the Chicago River.

I was around, but don't remember interviews with Adlai Stevenson, where he might have been asked how he compared himself with Ike, who wiped him out, as was expected.

Politics just sucks, and whining about an interview Bernie did very well in simply shows a certain amount of naivite.

Nice straw man you are erecting there buddy.

Nope, not a true believer or referring to Sanders as St. Bernie, but wow, those are some really choice insults.

Yes, he did well IN SPITE of the shitty interview.

Take off your blinders.

You just think you are brighter than the average Joe and it just makes you smug and sanctimonious.

they lost then, too.

I think the veiled and not so veiled attacks on his supporters are going to backfire. They are going to come back to bite someone in the butt.

that is was biased. Sen Sanders wants to speak to issues. Mitchell wanted him to attack HRC. No one said you can't mention he is Jewish, but why is that needed in an interview? The corp-media work for the Oligarchy and they support HRC. I guess some here feel a comfort in siding with the money, with the billionaires, with the biggest bully on the school ground.

When our founders fought against the British Oligarchy there were those that supported the British. Seems nothing has changed.

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They're not just try to get Bernie to attack Hillary, but just the shear mention
of her name keeps the focus on Hillary and away from Bernie.

When they interview Hillary, watch how many times they mention Bernie`s name,
even just to compare positions.
I'll bet they never mention his name once.

I haven't counted but I'll also bet that Hillary`s name was mentioned more in this
interview than Bernie`s name.

with Bernie is an underhanded way of keeping the focus on the candidate the interviewer wants to win. Bernie is great at ignoring her efforts to turn the attention to Hillary, but we should never forget that's what she tried to do. And yes, we should keep count of how many times Hillary's interview contains questions about Bernie and what difference is there between her views and Bernie's. I bet there is not even one.

progressives find Hilary too moderate which is BS. The problem with Hilary is she too too far to the Right.

Are you serious?

He is smarter than all of us smitten Sanders supporters.

I was just replacing the candles in my Bernie altar.

A poop so large that after you do one you have to lie down and look at the TV some more.

Take a powder - Stan-Bak perhaps? I noticed. Your logic is flawed. Nothing personal - but on my street, and I've got lots of neighbors Sanders is winning the current American argument by yards.


Still, Keep warm, vote early, and often.

for interviews, although I could be wrong.

In my view her interview was intended to put C.... on a high stool and Bernie Sanders on a low, sagging sofa.

EVERY SINGLE question she put to him, EVERY STATEMENT, without fail, started with C....... HC........ H........

Since he's been answering the same questions over and over for several months but I don't find them to be inconsistent with who he is.

The upside is that they will probably stick with her through the ge. It's the best of all worlds. They get a corporate conservative president while pretending to be liberal and feminist

If Bernie Shows in Iowa, and wins (or even narrows his gap) in Hew Hampshire, they HAVE to report it. When they do, word will be out in a way it's not now about what he wants to do and how he wants to do it, and if that reaches critical mass BEFORE super tuesday, my bet will be it's game over.

Now, to build up Hillary a bit...If she learned anything form her last attempt at this, it's not to ignore early caucus states. Her ground game will be MASSIVE this time around, and the machine that supports her isn't likely to brook any bullshit from thier in-state operators. They will lean as hard as they have to on local party officials, just to make sure they have the superdelagates lined up like they need to, JUST IN CASE.

I don't think it's going to devolve into a dirt-fight, but it's going to be a very serious-minded contest between 2 people who, I think, really do represent the best of the Democratic Party--it's past victories due to hard work, endurance and and understanding of the Long Haul (Progressive pragmatists and deal-making and Clinton) and it's future and the possibilities it rightly should contain (Liberals and radical reformers and Sanders). For Clinton to be effective, she needs only to win, because she knows how to cut deals and work out compromises with any opposition there might be in Congress. For Sanders to be effective, he will almost REQUIRE a Congress as idealogically motivated as he is, and good luck with that for the forseeable future. I suppose a President Sanders could roll back a lot of Executive Orders that aren't much to anyones liking, and probably issue some new ones that are, but he doesn't strike me as someone who would make use of the tactics of the Imperial Presidency, even in an effort to curtail a lot of the worst excesses OF the Imperial Presidency. He DOES strike me as a President who would use the shit out of the Bully Pulpit to hit any opposition HARD AND KEEP HITTING IT UNTIL HE GETS THE CONGRESS HE WANTS, and that level of willingness to FIGHT would be a nice change of pace for an off-year election, even if it means we would have to wait 2-4 years for anything really substantial to get done.

I signed up to volunteer for Bernie Sanders campaign.
That doesn't mean I'll be all pissy if Hillary wins, because there's good there, too.
I WILL SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT.
Yours in Solidarity,
Vol

Very well said.

That was amazing to watch. Sometimes, the manufacturing of consent is overt.

Beautiful.

and she calls herself a journalist? She is not even close to resembling one. Nearly as bad as Fox News.

Good for Bernie not letting her get away with what she tried.

Every question to him is about "Hillary Clinton"?! This is such a pathetic excuse for journalism.

And yes, EVERY SINGLE comment she made, every question, EVERY ONE started with "C....".

I don't have the patience that senator has, nor the smarts. if I had been sitting there I would have reached across the table, grabbed her by the throat and told her if she mentioned C once more I would strangle her.



Of course, that is why Bernie is where he is and I am sitting here typing while having my late Saturday morning Guatemalan FAIR TRADE coffee..

Need I say more?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ms+Alan+Greenspan,+andrea+mitchell&client=ubuntu&hs=Txe&channel=fs&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAGoVChMI9OSQ6OiLxgIVToCSCh28eACo&dpr=1

There is no question who she calls her peers and it aint us folks. Such a conning tool

I think she unintentionally made him look good.

The man is good at answering question even if they're all about someone else.

And she ends the fuckin' segment with a clip of Hillary shaking hands. She's such an asswipe POS.

That's inexcusable. I don't see how even the naysayers on this thread could defend that.

in a *Bernie* interview. Inexcusable.

All the repetitions of "Clinton" (both Hillary and Bill), yeah, I certainly heard.

especially since he was willing to share the room with this noted right-wing-favoring snarkist with no actual interest or skill in doing journalism. I.e., yet another would-be People magazine reporter's assistant.

Bernie giving am the time of day is a remarkable kudo. She should be kissing his feet. I don't at all blame him, the kudo was to him for being willing to wade into that swamp and more than hold his own. I just regret his giving her an iota of credibility.

Bernie, you are something indeed!

as far as Bernie's answers went. He got his points out despite Andrea babbling about someone else.

He got his points out in spite of her. Looked good doing it.

Yes, he looked very good doing it. I think he is aging backwards. We might have a regular Benjamin Button on our hands.

Except....uh...not...

He's playing such a different game than theyre used to...

If he wins the party nomination, I can almost promise you, the 'media' will be asking one question..

'no one could have predicted this outcome, RIGHT??????'

ANd then they will all sit around and re-assure each other that right, how could anyone have seen this coming? Wasnt possible, no way. WE COULDNT HAVE ALL MISSED IT. Must be the American People have all gone crazy or something, I guess we will have to wait for the exit polling data to figure out why this happened....

No. If you had been doing your jobs as professional journalists (which you're NOT) rather than acting like the gossip-mongering Court Stenographers you actually ARE, you would have known what the rest of us do. That not only is it possible, but for damn sure the American People are tired of your bullshit, 'lesser of 2 corporate evils' candidates.

Go, Bernie, GO

I'm not surprised by Andrea Mitchell's choice in mates she wears her ineptitude out everyday .

didn't get special treatment. I mean he really shouldn't have to put up with those pesky media types. The arrogance of the media, I tell you.

perfectly entitled to roll his eyes when all the 'interviewer' wants to talk about is the other person running. Please stop pretending you don't understand this.

about as much as people feign shock and anger at the media being unfair. Of course you lectured them as well right?

And about this listening tour ... she's listening to a hand picked constituency. There's nothing authentic about that.

to Senator Sanders. People want to hear about why Bernie is running and what he intends to do as President. He does a great job explaining it despite this so-called reporter's inane line of questioning.

We are smarter than that.

was doing the work of her masters in that interview. I don't watch any of these shows anymore and haven't for a long time now.

Took a beating for showing these assholes the back of her hand. What happened here isn't surprising. It would have been surprising if she did a good interview. This is par for the course, not an exception.

The media is bought and paid for. And the media is all about conflict. Conflict sells.

When you do listen to MSM, take it with a grain of salt, keeping in mind they want to stir it up and create controversy.

Then listen to the candidates. It's pretty easy for me to determine who to vote for based on the candidate.

Bernie is unique. He's like no other politician in my lifetime. No negativity, and sticking to the facts. He knows damn well, that if we go with the same ol, same ol, we're in for a major disaster to the middle class. The facts don't lie.

And Bernie is the only one that has the balls to address these issues, that no other candidate wants to discuss. This country is being bought by the 1%.

It's simple. Vote your conscience. Look at the numbers and how people are supporting him big time.

If I were Hilliary, I'd be worried. All that baggage is coming back to bite her.

And how can you not have an opinion on the TPP? WTF!!!

and Bernie has done a really good job of sticking to his campaign as he sees it. He won't fall for a trap.

OTOH, Hillary has also avoided coming out against either Bernie (or even Obama). She has named repubs and specifically described their policy problems. She has not gone after the other Democratic candidates.

Both candidates have been reserved on personal attacks so far.

As the campaigns gear up, Bernie will face more "dirty rumors" from the right wingers, just as the Clintons have been dealing with for decades. The birth certificate BS hasn't showed up much with Bernie yet. The dual citizenship FB list was just the beginning I fear. Stay tuned for more surprises because we know they are coming.

That's the way that Karl Rove, Cheney, the Koch brothers, and similar repubs work. I just finished reading "Sons of Wichita: How the Koch Brothers Became America's Most Powerful and Private Dynasty". If you really want to see how crazy and immoral one family can be - read that book. They make underhanded cheating, lying, and stealing into an art while rationalizing themselves into being "right". If it wasn't for fighting among themselves, they may have been even more powerful and rich than they are now.

TV stations and the media are owned and controlled, so don't expect them to stick to the issues; ever! They will create controversy or bring up crap about any candidate. Morning Joe was on Hillary's case all morning this week. I'm sure Martin O'Malley will see some BS soon too.

her questions about what Hillary would do... that was so lame and pathetic.. its obvious who Andrea Mitchell will be voting for, why bother Bernie with what Hillary is gonna do on this and that?

It's not. It's about the issues.

There are many issues.

And very few competent journalists. Disgusting.

and that prune face fuckwad of a husband is no better!

He's the schmuck who said to trust the Banksters.

Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite are spinning in their graves.

Hi Madfloridian, thanks for providing this clip for our edification and amusement.. Since I cut the cord several years ago my head explodes less often than when I subjected myself to these mealy mouthed corporate tools.

But Andrea Mitchell was always on the top of my list of amazingly pathetic and stupid people who call themselves news anchors for cable tv. The only reason she ever had a job with these circus clowns is because of her husband.

Bernie did indeed handle that really well, considering.. thanks agaiin!

Andrea is sitting just a few feet away from a serious national Presidential candidate - and yet EVERY DAMN QUESTION she asked was about Hillary! What unbelievable disrespectful behavior to Bernie - and he handled it superbly.

Hillary Clinton. Hillary? Hillary Clinton? Hillary. Hillary Clinton, Hillary? Hillary Clinton?

That's what the line of questioning sounded like...

Bernie tells the truth as he sees it...he always has...he is not much different from the young man who worked so hard on progressive issues years ago...since he speaks the truth, he doesn't have to worry about what he said last year, the year before, etc...

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I'm surprised she didn't end the interview with her referring to him as "well there you have the man running against Hillary Clinton for the democratic nomination".

What a pathetic interview!

Kudos to Bernie for going back to his campaign points.

But what do you expect from Mrs. Alan Greenspan? (You see what I did there?)

her Hubby a moron .

Do you know what year that was? Never mind, YouTube says 2003. Go Bernie.

When you post it give a link,okay?