Anyone politically aware enough to be here will vote.

There are a number of posters who consistently claim they'll stay home before they'll vote for HRC. I'm sure at least some of them are being truthful.

I don't buy her progressive "come to Jesus" transformation for a second.
However, I will happily vote for her if for no other reason than she's talking about Republican efforts to prevent people from voting.

Happily NEVER. I'm storing up clothespins at the moment on the off chance that dreadful days occurs.

Several Bernie supporters continuously stomp their feet and scream they will NEVER vote for Hillary.

Very few real Dems here at DU would even consider NOT voting, let alone following through with that neglect.

But I know of quite a few long-time members who have said things like this:

declaring they refuse to vote at all, would be a rarity. If there is anything DUers are most aware of it is the Supreme Court.

"because she's not young enough or "fun" enough or not perfect enough."

Young voters...we don't know how many will turn out. Also, black voters. Remember the sexist crap from the Obama camp??? (Infamous cardboard Clinton being groped by jackass staffers???)


The midterms were a disaster.

You may not think you've seen my off the top of my head examples here, but there are enough "purists" who may stay home .

Its about "honest", "consistent" and "trustworthy". Im sick to fucking death of this supreme court scare tactic. You want you corporate candidate? Reap the consequence. I dont know who you are, Gloria, but your condescending, patronizing post has helped me make a decision. Thank you.

of "corporate candidate", that also is scare tactic. It isn't a scare tactic for me, but others are running on the same comment.

The SC has enacted Citizens United, we do not need any more corporate judges to sit on the SC.

How can one be for a candidate who is against money in politics while taking money for politicking. Candidates beholden to corporations will do whats best for corporations while trying to dupe the rest of us into thinking we benefit. Enough of that.

As an example Elizabeth Warren spent $42 million to run for Senator, this is in just one state. Multiply this times 50 states and then you can see it takes a large campaign fund. I know there are lots of people who does not like corporations, but there are also lots of people who co-exist with corporations, who works for corporations, who makes purchases from corporations. Members of Congress meets with lobbyists from corporations as well as unions and other special interest groups. Yes, members of Congress are beholden to corporations also.

and skirting election laws by teaming up with SuperPacs. How many BILLIONS does she plan to raise for this election?

And THATs the problem. If you have money you count. If you dont, you dont. Im sick of it.

president.

You ask me how Hillary can be against Citizens United and still take the money to run a campaign, simple, just like environmentalist can be against the oil industry but use the products delivered by vehicles which uses the oil company products.
Just like those who dislike corporations but use products produced and delivered by corporations. Corporations deliver internet services, since you are a poster on DU then you use services from corporations, how can you do this?

Nobody can run with no money whatsoever.

Bernie had voted against some gun control measures, does that mean I can't listen to him on other issues?

I' ll tell you who I am..I was a McCarthy supporter.I was writing the Media Watch at Buzzflash for years, right from the beginninning in 2001, watching all the crap shows at night and going after their inaccuracies and doing it with humor. I wrote essays. Then, to save my sanity, I did the World Media Watch digging up news that never made it here, particularly on the resource wars. Then I contributed research to Will Pitts' book on Iraq (credited).


Then I blogged and dug up crap on Boren and how he undermined enviromental policy. I dug a ton of crap on Obama, cozying up with Bush budies in Justice and bringing in evangelical media bigwigs before 2008. And the money from Exelon. I delved into Daschle's involvement in the healthcare sell out of the public option/single payer.

Don't accuse me of favoring corporate candidates. Our system has been taken over. Citizens United means it's even worse. ALEC writes bills.

You want purity...nice, but naive. You think the Supreme Court concerns are a scare tactic? What is the Roberts court all about? Corporate power...corporations are people, remember?

Politicians are not saints. The system swallows them all to some degree.

I also know that Clinton has fought for many progressive causes. She spoke out in China, was a leader on promoting micro-lending to women in undeveloped countries, etc etc....She is not a one-note song....are you??

Right now, I want to beat Republicans, the lesser of 2 evils. The GOPs on the march at the state level. They control both houses. They are blocking all judicial nominees ftom now on. Their legal tactics are squeezing Roe with the help of the 5th circuit court.

I don't want to wake up and live in a total GOP sweep. I was part of the OLD generation who marched for civil rights and women's right. They have been frittered away by complacency.

If you are going to walk away from voting over purity and we get stuck with the GOP, it will be on your shoulders, not mine. Screw it...

Hillary Right Now, and that if we do, others will follow. It does not work like that. Wait and see who gets the nomination.
If Hillary does not get the nomination, that is on her and on her campaign. Like last time. Not on anyone else.
And if Hillary gets the nomination and loses the general election - that is on her and on her campaign. Not on anybody else.
The GOP hates Hillary. They probably have impeachment proceedings readied right now, just in case. My feeling is that they would start by tripling down on Benghazi and emails, and go on from there. Total gridlock, except for getting things that the GOP wants. And - given that they dislike HRC so much - how can anyone assume they would okay any of her SCOTUS nominations? Unless the nominee was someone that they liked. Think about that.

On shoulders? None of us here is responsible for Hillary. Oh, and I don't think Bernie or O'Malley supporters expect purity from their candidates. Much to the disappointment of others.

Not to sit at home and pout in self-righteous glory. The 60's are long gone, the gains made are on life-support. It is urgent that we do not have apathy like the hideous midterms.

In this lousy real world, there has to be some pragmatism as part of strategy. It's the Hillary camp filing law suits for voting rights restoration...that should get some respect.

I think that pisses me off the most...the lack of respect, lack of interest in Hillary's long activism. She is not a one note song...she's had to survive a helluva lot. And done a lot of good.

Successes, failures, mistakes..it's not la a land, it's how life goes.

I want the knee jerk rejection of Clinton to stop...don't want extra fodder added....that goes for any contestant. Circular firing squads make me angry.

I want people to not become fanatic and tear apart any of the candidates...it's poor politics and rigt right wingers will add this to their arsenal.

is cool, but tying it to people not voting for anyone weakens your argument.
In essence, you are saying everybody needs to vote, and they should be voting for Hillary. I don't get the feeling that you hope people will vote for anybody else.

I keep bringing up Clinton because I'm feeling there is an element of hostility there that isn't willing to be open to seeing her whole path, but fixate on one issue.

Too quick a judgment without much reflection of the larger picture and compexities of this election cycle.

I'm damned scared about losing the election...scared to see all I worked and marched for being erased. That is a mindset that many don'understand!!!!!

for Hillary. I can assure you, however, that many of us have had years and years to think about Hillary - good points and bad points, and some of us just like other candidates better, because of policy.

You know, the GOP hates her and has got quite a lot of stuff to campaign against her with. They are going to dredge up everything, and then frost that over with Benghazi and emails and whatever else. Their base will eagerly lap that up. So there is that to consider. And the female vote - I would not count on that. Personally, as a woman, I resent the assumption that I would vote for a candidate because of gender. Never felt the slightest wish to vote for Palin, would not vote for Fiorina, will not vote for Wasserman, would happily vote for Warren. It is the ISSUES.

What are the chances of even a middle of the road nominee getting past today's Senate makeup?

Thanks for pointing that out.

I will be completely disheartened and certain we were going to lose should Hillary not be nominated. I'd still do all I can, but it would be with the knowledge that I don't even think it will be close.

I would never not vote for the Democratic presidential nominee, but if Hillary loses the primary I will be very, very afraid.

One shudders at the thought.