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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI really dislike the phrase "shared economic prosperity"
Prepare to hear it a lot this morning. In my view, it's a bullshit phrase. It was coined by Larry Summers and others at the Center for American Progress. Now, maybe HRC will clarify the term and make clear that shared prosperity means the 1% has to make some "sacrifices". I'd welcome that, but it needs to be more than vague crap. Raising the minimum wage is the bare minimum. We cannot make progress without changes to the structure of income distribution that so heavily favors the very wealthy.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Ergo, the prosperity is shared.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)from the Apartheid era South African term for secret police. The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere is what the Imperial Japanese euphemistically called their World War Two occupied colonies.
I do wish that American politicians and aparachiks understood the derivation of their terminology
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)threads on her rally, NOT TO FUCKING NOT critique what she says in OTHER threads. And you know that. Fuck the disingenuous crap.
Here it is in plain English, your majesty.
It would be great if not a single one of us pissed on the celebratory Clinton kick off rally threads tomorrow. It was a drag when some Clinton supporters did that in Bernie kickoff threads, though it should be noted that most Clinton supporters did not.
Tomorrow will be a great day for Clinton's DU supporters and they shouldn't have to deal with people pissing on those threads.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026825116
Marr
(20,317 posts)Cali was one of the magnanimous ones who encouraged others not to piss on HRC's parade in their actual celebratory threads-- not to ignore her positions (or lack of same) in general.
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Look up passive aggressive and apply to this thread.
frylock
(34,825 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)So, it's not like you thought of this yourself. I suppose it depends if you have a negative or a favorable opinion of Clinton.
To me, the phrase is not bullshit. Sharing to me is good. Sharing in prosperity to me is code for helping the 99%, not boosting the 1%.
cali
(114,904 posts)genesis. I wrote an op about it when HRC first used it 2 months ago.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)care what you would "welcome" from HRC? Because you have already indicated that there is nothing she says or does (with respect to what you pretend to be asking) that will be believe.
She could define down to the micro-level, the meaning of "shared prosperity", using the sainted words of DU, and you would respond by initiating 1,000 more anti-HRC threads.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It promotes, in non-critical listeners/readers, the notion of a caring interaction. Of course, sharing a pot of boiled chicken can and often does mean breast meat for some and thin stock for others.
Sharing is a potential weasel word, but then it is not necessarily deceitful. The critical issue is to discern what is meant/intended by the person using it.
As campaign speeches are essentially marketing, we know they are manipulating appeal and likeability. Nothing wrong in that, but we need to ask what is really being promoted? And we need to guard against our biases as much as we guard against manipulation in the message.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Very interesting what you like and don't like.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Do you believe these attacks on Luis Vicente Gutiérrez will endear those making them with Latino Democrats?
frylock
(34,825 posts)he's being attacked and has a sad.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It seems Senator Sanders would benefit by expanding his base.
But among non-white Democrats (the survey did not break them down by ethnicity), Clinton had 72 percent support, compared to 5 percent for the Vermont senator.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-surging-among-white-democrats-others-love-hillary-n369251
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The National Journal article that was used to attack Gutierrez was over a year old. The op refused to answer as to the current state of Conaways committee. In response to the question for follow up was simply a rash of name calling by the op. That was the ops first line of attack against who I consider to be an extremely consistent progressive voice. I read no further into their op. Here is the link that was used.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/rep-luis-gutierrez-s-house-ethics-investigation-will-continue-20140505
They refused to talk about the current state of the investigation of Conaway.
Here is a little about him.
Serving his sixth term in the U.S. House of Representatives, Congressman Mike Conaway represents 29 counties in Texas 11th congressional district, including the cities of Midland, Odessa and San Angelo.
A conservative Republican, Rep. Conaway believes in the principles of lower taxes, smaller government and a secure nation. His background as a CPA gives him a unique perspective on fiscal responsibility and ensuring every taxpayer dollar is being spent wisely.
In the House, Congressman Conaway is the chairman of the House Committee on Agriculture and also serves on the House Armed Services Committee and the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
He is a deputy Republican whip, a position he has held since the 112th Congress.
http://conaway.house.gov/biography/default.aspx
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)and a solid progressive.
azmom
(5,208 posts)How is that progressive and pro immigrant.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/237011-gutierrez-buries-the-hatchet
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)An absolute fool. For the jury, this is who this poster is claiming to be anti-immigrant. One of our best and strongest voices for immigration reform and a progressive across the board.
http://gutierrez.house.gov/
This is a right wing attack.
azmom
(5,208 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)when you insinuated he was anti-immigrant. An easily provable lie.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Immigrants. Which is also a provable lie.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have never said what he did was ok. You are stacking it up in the dishonesty column. Along with spreading a lie with respect to one of our parties strongest voices on immigration reform.
Please back up your three assertions.
1) "But it's okay for Gutierrez to insinuate" Where did I say it was okay? One link is all you need. It is clear you have it.
2) Your claim that Gutierrez is not a progressive
3) Your claim that he is anti-immigrant
Those are the only three claims you have made. Every one is a lie. It should be extremely easy for you to back up #1. Extremely easy. It is clear you already have a post of mine saying that his actions were "okay". The next two you are going to have more problems with. The op went is supporting Michael Conaway in order to do it. How far will you go to attempt to prove your false claim?
azmom
(5,208 posts)That's all I was saying.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Every assertion you have made to me here is false. Every one. You made the false assertions and are asking me to back myself up. Very strange. Make things up and then ask someone to do tricks for you.
Please read my last post. Back up your blatantly false assertions about me and an the extremely solid progressive Gutierrez.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Wow.
frylock
(34,825 posts)fuck this toadie.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not sure who you are referring to as a toadie, not sure it matters. You are surrounded by a sea of agreement on the issue of Sanders.
cali
(114,904 posts)2 months- almost to the day:
Hilary Clinton, The Center for American Progress and "Inclusive Prosperity"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026510496
I have several other posts about it.
Got that?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Seriously? You know exactly who he is. You used him yesterday. His name was all over the national journal article you were praising as truth of corruption. It was also mentioned multiple times to your op. Seems you didn't read my post here either. I understand this is how you plan on backing down from your support of Conaway yesterday. Still won't work as it is blatantly obvious you know who he is. You are doing opposition research against progressives. You know who you are siding with. You posted directly to a reply addressing Conaway himself. It is in black and white. You are very familiar with his work. You used him to attack a progressive. Literally, you replied to comments directly questioning your support of his committee yesterday. He was your proof of corruption. He is who you used. Not in a slight of hand way. It was very transparent.
1) You used an article from the National Journal touting a committee headed up by Conaway as you conducted opposition research against a progressive.
2) Conaway was mentioned multiple times in the article you posted as proof of corruption.
3) You responded to posts just yesterday questioning your use of Conaway to attack a solid progressive.
4) You now act as if you don't even know who he is.
cali
(114,904 posts)I didn't note the author. It was just one of several articles about that slime, Gutierrez.
And no, I'm doing opposition research on smearing corrupt lying asswipes.
And the article from NJ was hardly my only link.
Love how YOU excuse lying smears against Sanders.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Another way to attempt to act like you don't know who he is. Too funny considering it is all in black and white. His name was mentioned often in the article you posted. Didn't even have to go far. You replied to questions about using him for your opposition research against a progressive. Directly.
For transparency so all can see. Here is the link you used.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/rep-luis-gutierrez-s-house-ethics-investigation-will-continue-20140505
Here is the quote from the link you used.
"Rep. Luis Gutierrez will continue to be investigated by the House Ethics Committee regarding whether he broke House rules by keeping a staffer-turned-lobbyist working and paid by his congressional officeto the tune of more than $590,000 over 10 years, the panel's top leaders said Monday."
By Monday they are talking about a Monday over a year ago. His name was mentioned in the article as being head of the committee exactly two sentences after the over year old quote you used. This was how you started your opposition research findings. It was your first quote and link. Not buried somewhere. You were questioned about him directly.
Same question I asked you yesterday. What is the current state of Conaway's investigation that you have used to smear a good progressive? You refused to answer that yesterday.
This is not about the author of the article you used or about the NJ itself. It is about your support for Conaways witch hunt you are touting in your opposition research against a good progressive.
"Love how YOU excuse lying smears against Sanders. "
Show me one single post where I have excused a lying smear against Sanders. You cannot because that is a lie itself.
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Autumn
(45,108 posts)It's a throwaway line that is supposed to make people think a wealthy politician who gets into office because the fucking wealthy pay to put them there gives a fuck about income inequality. It will be vaguely used and touted as a shining example. Every time a politician uses that phrase it pisses me off.
cali
(114,904 posts)not officially but he's at the Center for American Progress- where Harris
was last. CAP is very, very closely tied to Clinton.
In fairness, Summers seems to have changed his thinking.
Her language re inclusive prosperity is a Summerism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532157
HRC has been speaking of "inclusive prosperity" What is it?
and yes, Larry Summers is the major force behind it.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2015/01/15/104266/report-of-the-commission-on-inclusive-prosperity/
http://www.vox.com/2015/1/16/7557803/inclusive-prosperity-hillarynomics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026532461
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)a kinder and gentler way of saying "trickle down economics." Almost a compassionate conservative way of expressing that concept.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)for free trade deals. Gotta 'share the prosperity' with poor workers around the world, don't you know.
kath
(10,565 posts)Woot!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)very Frank Luntzy.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Doesn't really work for those of us without boats.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)TBF
(32,067 posts)But it is not a complete leveling. We will have a global billionaire class & a peon billionaire class. Guess which one Hillary is in. Now guess which one the rest of us are in.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)These internet fabrications get stranger by the day.
Info on tax returns released in 2008. While an average of $13 million a year is a hell of a lot of money, it doesn't approach billionaire status. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/clinton-releases-tax-returns/
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)What should we make of that, cali? See this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026828411
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Or does Sanders propose? How should they be implemented?
Autumn
(45,108 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)is disliked.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)where people are asking that millionaires, billionaires and wealthy corporations pay a greater share of taxes to help the needy and afflicted.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Managing our fiscal health: An improved federal fiscal system of taxation and expenditures can be created to meet the nation's needs, raise revenues fairly, respond to economic downturns, and be fiscally responsible by not escalating government debt relative to the size of the economy over the long run. "
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)who are working for the same or less money every year while their company profits rise and their bosses/owners benefit. They see it. There really is a sharing problem. Larry Summers? No one knows who he is or gives a shit.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)As long as the economic prosperity continues to require assuredly turning the planet into a hot mess, I'll keep trying to limit the reach of its power.
We don't need to share economic prosperity, we need to share economic disparity. At least or until such a time as we are taken seriously and science, education, remediation, renewable energy and sanity can rule the day and enlightenment, the advancement of our species and the love of our children become our only concerns.