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marmar

(77,084 posts)
Sun May 13, 2012, 06:09 PM May 2012

Germans Can't Fathom US Aversion to Obama's Healthcare Reform


from Der Spiegel:


In Germany, people are baffled by how hostile a country as religious as the United States can be to the principle of mandatory healthcare insurance. Not even conservatives question the system, which businesspeople say gives Europe's largest economy a competitive advantage.

As the United States Supreme Court considers whether requiring people to have health insurance is unconstitutional, Germans are bewildered as to why so many Americans appear to be against universal coverage.

They also question the continued portrayal of US President Barack Obama and his health reform backers as socialists and communists, noting that healthcare was introduced in Germany in the 19th century by Otto von Bismarck, who was definitely not a leftist, and is supported by conservative and pro-business politicians today.

"It's a solidarity principle," says Ann Marini, a spokesperson for the National Health Insurers Association. "Not every 'S' automatically means socialism." ...............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-attitude-toward-barack-obama-s-healthcare-reform-a-832002.html



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Germans Can't Fathom US Aversion to Obama's Healthcare Reform (Original Post) marmar May 2012 OP
Because Americans have been brainwashed into thinking it's sinister. nt Speck Tater May 2012 #1
neither can this american spanone May 2012 #2
America's crackpot right must seem like zoo animals hifiguy May 2012 #3
watching republicans provis99 May 2012 #11
DUzy over here! DUzy over here! Brigid May 2012 #19
But if you think of being against it Turbineguy May 2012 #4
I was thinking today about all the things the gop has done since George I was elected to destroy jwirr May 2012 #12
If I had one of those "if you could ask ......, what would you ask?" Turbineguy May 2012 #21
This Obama plan seems more like insurance reform joelz May 2012 #5
The Obama plan is most similar to what the Germans have bhikkhu May 2012 #16
because they don't get Skittles May 2012 #6
EXACTLY ... I imagine they think that we are going to get real reform like they have Raine May 2012 #7
yup Skittles May 2012 #8
they don't understand that for years and years the people making billions off of our .... Botany May 2012 #9
Having read "Hitler's Willing Executioners", I am bewildered at the millions of ordinary Germans Nye Bevan May 2012 #10
There were church leaders who spoke out against it - they were lined up in pits along with the Jews jwirr May 2012 #14
Your math doesn't add up Blecht May 2012 #17
Okay, he was behind the iron curtain at 16. So I got the facts messed up it has been almost 40 years jwirr May 2012 #18
And what year is this? marmar May 2012 #23
well shanti May 2012 #13
Too many Americans are ignorant pawns in a profits game. polichick May 2012 #15
Mostly a language problem. German health insurance bears little resemblance to our Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #20
That's maybe because they aren't fully informed about Obama's Healthcare Reform. Quantess May 2012 #22
Please, don't count *me* in that US aversion! BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #24
People come first in Germany malaise May 2012 #25

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. I was thinking today about all the things the gop has done since George I was elected to destroy
Sun May 13, 2012, 11:08 PM
May 2012

this country and agree with you. Anything that breaks the government up or makes it look like a failure in the eyes of the people is their policy.

Turbineguy

(37,355 posts)
21. If I had one of those "if you could ask ......, what would you ask?"
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:33 AM
May 2012

If I could ask Putin any question I would ask "Who was Dick Armey's Case Officer?"

joelz

(185 posts)
5. This Obama plan seems more like insurance reform
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:44 PM
May 2012

where he takes your tax money and gives it to the insurance co. so they can continue to make enormous profits without seeming to cold hearted (pre-existing conditions etc.) the Canadian and Euro systems have the government(people) run them without profit so it is very hard to see why the insurance companies and right wing nut cases could be upset by anything in the plan Maybe like most canadians the germans think it is real health reform

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
16. The Obama plan is most similar to what the Germans have
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:13 AM
May 2012

...and different from many other country's plans. Lots of different ways to fix the problem, and lots of them work very well.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
7. EXACTLY ... I imagine they think that we are going to get real reform like they have
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:56 PM
May 2012

instead of a give-away to big insurance and big pharma.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
8. yup
Sun May 13, 2012, 08:58 PM
May 2012

I don't think they have clue how dysfunctional our healthcare system is, and how the mandatory stuff is just bandaid fix, IF that

Botany

(70,524 posts)
9. they don't understand that for years and years the people making billions off of our ....
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:04 PM
May 2012

.... health care system have been lying to the American people. Hell, some people are still
mad @ FDR for social security and go along with the lie that it is going broke and
that it adds to the national debt so why not let those good old boys of Wall Street
play with the trillions of dollars in the trust fund.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. Having read "Hitler's Willing Executioners", I am bewildered at the millions of ordinary Germans
Sun May 13, 2012, 09:10 PM
May 2012

who allowed the Holocaust to happen under their very noses. And I can't fathom the German religious leaders who did not speak out against it. I read about one church that was near the railway line to the death camps, and simply had the congregation sing a little louder to drown out the screams of the doomed Jews.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. There were church leaders who spoke out against it - they were lined up in pits along with the Jews
Sun May 13, 2012, 11:13 PM
May 2012

and killed beside them. Fear is a real silencer when it comes to that type of situation. After a few are killed it is much harder to stand up. That is why they did it but it is still not an excuse. I had a teacher from Germany who was 9 years old when Hitler was in control - he told us that he was as guilty as any other because he did not speak up. At the age of 16 he escaped over the wall from East Germany. He was ready to speak up at that age.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
17. Your math doesn't add up
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:34 AM
May 2012

9 in 1945 (the last year Hitler was in power).
16 in 1961 (when construction began on the Berlin wall).

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. Okay, he was behind the iron curtain at 16. So I got the facts messed up it has been almost 40 years
Mon May 14, 2012, 10:56 AM
May 2012

since he was my teacher - 1970s.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. Mostly a language problem. German health insurance bears little resemblance to our
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:25 AM
May 2012

completely predatory insurance system. While the insurance reform law is a baby step in the right direction, its numerous flaws and lack of universality make it an incredibly expensive bandaid at best and growing monster with the capability of destroying the whole health care system at worst.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
22. That's maybe because they aren't fully informed about Obama's Healthcare Reform.
Mon May 14, 2012, 11:41 AM
May 2012

"What's not to like?" they may wonder, way on the other side of the world.
Mandatory health insurance is a far cry from single payer.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
24. Please, don't count *me* in that US aversion!
Mon May 14, 2012, 03:18 PM
May 2012

It's ass-brained repukes, "prosperity-gospel", Angry-God pastors and congregants, and the corporate masters who are against it. Since they're the ones running rampant in the legislative bodies, it LOOKS like it's the US against it.


most Americans are for it. Aside from those afore mentioned ass-brains.

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