much obliged

do they have a lot of migrant farm worker
Amish and Mennonite maybe

And yes, Illinois had tons of migrant workers.

Jamaicans do the bulk of that work, they come on temporary work visas.

And a lot of VT "help" on the vegetable and dairy farms se habla español:

http://www.smfws.com/articles_2012/articles_april_2012/art04042012.html

http://digital.vpr.net/post/farm-labor-expert-reacts-vermont-migrant-workers-isolation

http://digital.vpr.net/post/migrant-workers-activists-protest-farm-living-conditions

Nothing from nothing means nothing.

Lots of upbeat music so far.

More info at this thread: http://election.democraticunderground.com/10026827886

and old news.

You can watch it live here:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?326471-1/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-announcement&live

Then you'll know exactly what she has to say.

have not decided if I will tune in or not yet, but your link is welcome.

soon as I post this I will go there and listen to her

If she winds up being our nominee I'll happily vote for her, just not in the Primary

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Interesting song.

I'm listening now

...which is GREAT! I just hope she keeps it up even after the (possible/probable) nom. Time will tell...

And how she will work to make the economy work for the successful and for those struggling. She's both blaming and praising the 1%. She throwing out a lot of bromides. She's vague on solutions.

Couldn't even give it 2 or 3 hours, could you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026825116

Try being honest- if that's remotely in the realm of possibility. One more fucking time:

I said I would stay out of the celebratory threads started by Hillary fans. I did. I did not say I wouldn't critique or analyze her speech.

For today, I've refrained from starting a thread on her speech. Tomorrow, after reviewing it, I DNC well will. Don't like that? Tough.

Try using the word "fucking" a few more times. It might help you get your point across a bit clearer.

And tooting my own horn here, I have such an extensive vocabulary, that I can afford to liberally sprinkle profanities throughout my posts- and I fucking well do.

Oh, and I have a strong antipathy toward bullshit.

Your antipathy to bs is another!

shell.......

average Americans she's met or heard of. Now she's praising the "good" business tycoons and good corporations
Another "I'll get to the specifics later".

Talk is cheap. I learned that lesson hard in '08. Sanders has a long established history, I will stick to the proven advocate.

why her handlers kept her away from the public...................she's uninspiring!!

So scripted and fake.


Sorry, she will say and do anything to get elected.

And no doubt her supporters will give it rapturous reviews

.....Meanwhile, back in the real world, Bernie continues to inspire people to rise up and stand for the core issues that truly affect their daily lives.....


The nation will judge for themselves who qualifies and best represents their concerns at the coming debates..........it will be a turning point in this campaign.


Go Bernie!

I did not… But, I was vacuuming intermittently.

I was making a giant sucking sound that accomplished something, unlike our trade agreements. Did she say anything about them?

I'm gonna finish my vacuuming now and see how all of my "HOW" questions (not only to you, Segami) were answered.

Here I go! vaaruuuuuuummm!

Believing her now and ignoring the record and history of Clintons.

It's impossible. They both know that.

proposals. Praise for the "lots" of states that are innovating new ways to deliver services. Like what?

LOL

Her voice grates on me

Now I remember why Obama beat her.

This has been a yanking on sentiments, cliche strewn speech that threatened no one. And by no one I mean the hedge fund managers and bankers and captains of industry. In fact, it was a speech with a lot of reassurance for them.

Are you seriously suggesting that anything short of laudatory is just "bitter"?

Where was the answer as to HOW we enable workers a more fair workplace.

It never advanced from general to specific.

Did I miss something?

in a few days. If her approval rating went up then maybe you're right but if they don't then no cookie for you

This time, I'm on the sidelines and not seeing how she loses.

there's a lot of talk about the color of the pantsuit, how nice her hair looks, how young she looks and the all-important shape of the stage. Oh the spectacle !!1!
I also get the impression it's more about having a female president than
anything else. Never mind the WS$, the calculated, poll tested positions or complicated history.
Does it seems to be more about Herstory than History?

to quell the nerves of the Wall St crew

I don't watch tv on the weekends.
Weekends are radio only days.

The "overflow" areas were empty 20 minutes before she spoke. Given that the Texas shooting is dominating headlines, this looks like a flop


Bloomberg's chief reporter covering Hillary 2016:

2h2 hours ago
Jennifer Epstein ?@jeneps
Overflow area at the Hillary Clinton rally, sans overflow

she is one of them as this whole charade shows

This is in NYC with millions of people yet Bernie got these #'s in little Burlington Vermont.

How would a sensible person read these numbers?

"HOW?"

Did I miss something? I mean, I was vacuuming intermittently. But, I figured I would have heard something in the first 20 minutes.

Did I miss the answer to "HOW?"

I ain't just a whistling Dixie… I heard the SAME thing you described.

I must be an official intellectual… OR….. Is it that I've reach well beyond the point of appeal to sentimental stories, which mix with other words that I see as "nods" to the ruling class of this country.

I simply cannot believe this shit from any candidate anymore… not just HRC, though at one time, I would have plucked my eyebrows clean and painted my face "Clinton" to have it. I trusted, I reached for it…. IT'S. JUST. NOT. THERE.

Excuse me, it's time to donate again to Bernie Sanders. That's a candidate I can believe in.

Bernie's was dense with specific policy proposals and little in the way of an appeal to the emotions. No emphasis on "American Exceptionalism", and few stories either about himself or others, used convey a message. It was far more grounded in intellect. He also went after the greed of corporations and the 1%. HRC'S speech was an appeal to sentiment, with lots of stories and a lack of specifics. It was also quite conciliatory toward wall street and the "successful"

I figured from the start that this would be more like a pep rally to fire up her base. She's got a while yet to put some flesh on the bones.

But not TOO long, and I'm sure she and her battalion of advisors know it.

Hopefully that is revealed as we get closer to the election. Badly want to hear her TPP position. Personally think President Obama is a better speaker, but her speeches are well thought out enough to compensate. And she knows how to deliver the big lines.

I got the feeling she wants the 99% to do well, but is only on their side to a degree.

which made me think of "bootstraps" several times during her speech.

than a speech

This speech didn't really improve my opinion of Hillary nor lower it. Was about what I expected. I will support her though if she is the nominee. Have a deep fear of a Rupuke President.

"Have a deep fear of a Rupuke President."

I trusted Obama and got thrown under the bus. IMO she is just more of Obama with a little more war.