Seemed like a lost opportunity to be specific...

When the transcript comes out will be time enough to dissect it sentence by sentence.

But I won't comment anymore until I see the transcript. Then I can be specific as to why it didn't sit well with me.

Plans to do to make it happen or is that part missing?

and the other about CU. That's it. I took notes, as I did with Bernie's speech. And she said that specific policy will come in the future. Again.

and thought they were good.

"I am not suggesting that there shouldn't be other threads discussing and critiquing what she says in her speech, just that folks don't jump into celebratory threads to piss on them."

...everyone here knows why it didn't sit too well with you.

It's an introduction to the campaign, not a policy speech. She'll be making plenty of those. Campaign launch speeches are never full of details about policy implementation.

It was a good speech, well delivered. On to the campaign.

on DU. Thanks.

I don't believe that for some of the progressives on this board that they will ever provide her an ounce of congratulations or approval. It seems to me that some progressives are as determined to discredit her as much as the vengeful conservatives. She is being stigmatized as little more than a corporate whore. Democrats in the past have in hindsight made some bad decisions in regard to trusting corporations. Can I remind all that virtually every Democrat was in favor of the deregulation measures taken by President Clinton. It was herald as a boon to the economy that would benefit workers with a prosperous economy. I turned out to be an unmitigated disaster.

Corporations are not evil, but must be closely regulated to provide them the conscience they lack. Many industries could not exist without a corporate structure. They have one and only one goal: maximize profits. Far to often the shareholders greed is also a prime factor since they are the source of capital and demand high returns.

... As she just has a crazy craving for power and little discrimination in how it is acquired.

She gives off a vibe, to me at least, that if focus groups showed that puppy kicking would give a. 02% increase in the polls, she would be out with a bunch of chihuahuas and some steel toes the next day.

YMMV...

That sounds like a pretty good definition of evil to me.

A corporation does NOT have to behave that way. Many don't.

The concept of a corporation in itself is not evil. Just as apply to many organizations, churches for instance come to mind, it is their abuse of power that is evil. They can be a source of good or evil. We have lost something like 60,000 manufacturing plants in over the last 15 years or so. A great many of these were the direct result of outsourcing to maximize profits for their CEOs and shareholders.

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Yes, it was. It may not have appealed to you, but you aren't the audience. It's a campaign launch speech. It was aimed at her supporters. It's an outline. You'll hear more, if you are listening, during the campaign, I'm sure.

Why? In any case, I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth with you today. I have to go grocery shopping right now.

gave specific policy proposals in his campaign kickoff speech?

worth remembering. He also was never banished after 23,000 posts after spending so much time at that other site.

Read Bernie Sanders’s populist, policy-heavy speech kicking off his campaign

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8662903/bernie-sanders-full-text-speech-presidential-campaign

"MineralMan wrote:
Hillary is too stupid to be President. Her RFK remark sealed the deal. It won't go away, and will also end any chance she might have had at being the VP choice. Way to go, Hill..."


http://forum.darwincentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=13378&start=75

Yea, He's a real fan.

but he wasn't, afaik, posting concurrently on any liberal site, certainly not here.

Hillary lost that year. Obama won. She's learned a good deal since then. She blew a large lead during the 2008 primaries, largely because she did stupid things. Her awful RFK comment in May was one of those things. Barack Obama didn't do or say stupid things, and captured the enthusiasm of voters. I was correct back in May of 2008. By that time, I had already caucused in MN for Obama. This year, I'm caucusing for Bernie Sanders. Will history repeat itself? I don't know.

I'll be supporting whoever is the nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016.

I'm done with this. The Meta Forum is closed. I was trolling Free Republic. I was banned as an "anti-freeper." That was 2006. Nine years ago.

and linking to posts from 9 years ago.

I heard lots of great liberal policy proposals.

I'd like to give a special shout out to the secret service for putting all the restrictions (given to ALL former presidents and first ladies') in place to ensure the safety and well being of all that attended .

caucusing for, when he gave his kickoff speech. Oh wait....

Democratic candidates. Nothing more.

I thought she did well. You might think otherwise.

... you'll be branded a heretic.

Some people would rather I didn't, I guess. Here's the deal: There is a very good chance that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. Even some people who dislike her intensely here have said that many times, and even say they'll vote for her if that is the case. I'm interested in her launch speech today. It will have an impact on how she proceeds.

All in all, I thought she did a very good job in this speech. It is a campaign launch speech, not a policy statement. It's an outline for her campaign. I can't imagine that anyone expected anything else. The audience in attendance certainly responded positively throughout the speech. Those are her supporters. They like her. They will campaign for her. That was her audience.

If a candidate gives a good speech, and I have listened to it, I will say so.

The objection isn't to Hillary. It's to me. Many people object to me and what I write.

mm says he's a Bernie supporter.

Yes, I am a Bernie supporter. I will reissue my invitation to you to attend and observe the caucus for my precinct in St. Paul on March 1, 2016, where I will caucus in support of Senator Sanders. I can invite you to our state senate district convention as well, but the date has not yet been set. At that one, you will have to leave the room during any voting, but you're welcome to attend as an observer. I'll be forming a walking caucus for Bernie Sanders and Single Payer Health care at that convention. If I get enough people to join me, I'll try to be elected as a delegate to the state convention. I don't believe I can invite you to that, though, if I am a delegate.

As I have said multiple times, though, I expect Hillary Clinton to be the official nominee of the Democratic Party. Like you, I will vote for her and campaign for her if that is the case. You will campaign for her, right? I mean, she would be the nominee and would need everyone's support.

Right now, I support her right to campaign for the primary races. To that extent, I am a Hillary supporter. I wish her, and all primary candidate good luck in their campaigns. One of them will be President if I can do anything to make that happen.

Now, I'm going to the supermarket. You're welcome to continue snarking at me in this thread. I'll look in later on.

Months and months to go. We'll hear much more from everyone.

For pete's sake, it's as though people don't believe any planning or strategy went into this speech. You make claims you want and expect to be asked to elaborate on and hold to in the course of a long campaign. That's how this works.

kickoff speeches. And she's been in this for 2 months+ now. I'm not interested in sentimental and emotion driven. I'm not interested in American Exceptionalism. I would like to know how a candidate will address issues that she or he has identified as problems.

It would be just as easy for me to say those two didn't cover enough ground on what they intend and were too driven by a few issues, or they didn't specifically say how they were going to do it and who they would appoint to cabinet positions and where the hell was that foreign policy experience on which they base their intentions? It's very much speculation at this point. I'll wait to see how they flesh things out and I'd hope that others would do the same rather than just complaining that what was done today wasn't done yesterday and what will be done tomorrow wasn't done today.

Plenty of time to have some specifics in her stump speech

I'll happily engage when there's an idea on the table.

...this was a very standard recitation of Democratic ideals and policy, to be sure - but it embraced the current presidency so much; embraced the current Democratic establishment to such a degree; that it didn't seem to represent enough of a clean break from what I view as a stale and overly compromising politics practiced by our national legislature.

She did hit on all the right points of opposition to republican politics, though. There's that.

I do need to actually read the speech, though. Her delivery probably doesn't match the substance. Fantastic crowd. It looked formidable.

(hope that's not too dismissive. I really don't want to start my own thread on this, so I left this here)

There was a lot of bootstrappy rhetoric as well between other points. But like you I need to read it word for word and sentence by sentence to be sure I heard what I though I did.

I take issue with one point but it is minor and I don't think either of us would actually be correct, as it is opinion. Other than that, I understand what you said here and those sentiments are felt by many. Not just with this speech.

Plenty of Democrats there to call on for an audience. The audience appeared to be very, very enthusiastic. I watched the live feed, which focused closely on Clinton, but the photos indicate a large audience was there.

There was not a sole in the overflow area. it looked like more to me, but the space makes it hard to judge

Or perhaps a pike?

I hope it at least got a smile.

And her historical voting record is atrocious compared to Bernie's.

Just pseudo-progressive blah, blah, blah . . . z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z.

... why she spent last summer in Canada earning $1.6 million for delivering paid speeches for Canadian oil and pharma.

Guess I'll have to wait for her next speech . . .

Of course you don't.

and will be a great president.

I've heard a few great speeches in my life. They're exceedingly rare.

Stopping Keystone XL?

Restoring Glass-Steagall?

Stopping taking huge amounts of cash from Wall Street?

Stopping fracking?

Not starting another war in Iraq or other ME nations?

Significantly cutting military spending?

Significantly raising taxes on the rich and the corporations?

There's more, but that will do for a start.



Inquiring minds want to know.

to launch her campaign with. I imagine we'll hear from her on all of those issues during the campaign.

... then apparently she isn't interested in the issues that are critical to me and the Democrats I know and listen to.

Noted, thanks.