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shireen

(8,333 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:52 PM Jun 2015

as I listened to Hillary, all I could think was ...

we also need to get a Democratic majority in the House and Senate to make any substantive progress!!

I don't know who will get the Democratic party nomination. I'm still rooting for Bernie. I don't know much about Lincoln Chafee, but I like Hillary and Martin O'Malley. Those three that I know of will make good presidents.

But he/she will get very little done unless we do something about Congress!!!


And I have a plea. Please let's try to be civil when discussing these candidates. Tearing them down with mean-spirited comments is simply not necessary. Please.



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as I listened to Hillary, all I could think was ... (Original Post) shireen Jun 2015 OP
Truth. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #1
It isn't going to happen running Republican-lite candidates. Scuba Jun 2015 #32
I agree. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #33
Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #38
Thank you for the video link PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #41
+1 JaneyVee Jun 2015 #2
Which basically means turnout is the key, you could say that nothing else matters Fumesucker Jun 2015 #3
all of them shireen Jun 2015 #5
I don't really see it that way but it's an interesting perspective Fumesucker Jun 2015 #9
Not going to happen until 2020, and possibly not til 2030, as I understand it. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #4
This ibegurpard Jun 2015 #6
this is interesting ... and depressing shireen Jun 2015 #8
We saw what happened with Obama. We had the senate, but it was filled with Exilednight Jun 2015 #13
Yup. We might get the senate back, but the house is on lockdown tishaLA Jun 2015 #23
We need Democrat candidates who can beat the Republicans, we know they do not want Hillary Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #7
I think everyone agrees on that Fumesucker Jun 2015 #10
Hillary's coattails will win back the Senate. onehandle Jun 2015 #11
Yes! SoapBox Jun 2015 #12
Hillary has the best chance of getting that done. ellisonz Jun 2015 #14
There are going to be more Republican seats up for grabs in this election.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #15
That's the one case where too much of THEIR "good thing"can still be bad for them. calimary Jun 2015 #20
I really expect Dems to take back the Senate..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #22
i think it's going to be hard for my dem senator to hold his seat fizzgig Jun 2015 #24
He needs to be primaried by a woman. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #28
i'm not knowledgeable enough about state politics to be even able to throw out a name fizzgig Jun 2015 #29
Words.... Hulk Jun 2015 #16
A very important step has been made with the Affordable Care Act.. Stuart G Jun 2015 #17
A large number of her policies will go over well with -R's GummyBearz Jun 2015 #18
Yes. She'll make a very effective President for some. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #19
spot on!! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #27
I agree abakan Jun 2015 #21
Yes, yes yes! Delmette Jun 2015 #25
Thinking ahead... coattails Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #26
Democrats are getting destroyed in state elections..especially in non-Presidential years davidn3600 Jun 2015 #30
That's why we have to have some "20-20 vision." calimary Jun 2015 #34
Where is the evidence of that? davidn3600 Jun 2015 #35
Evidence of what? calimary Jun 2015 #36
... davidpdx Jun 2015 #37
Agreed! Fritz Walter Jun 2015 #31
Thanks, shireen. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #39
We must embrace the 50 state strategy in midterms. joshcryer Jun 2015 #40
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
41. Thank you for the video link
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:30 AM
Jun 2015

I did not really learn anything new watching this, but it was a fantastic compilation of the last decade's events. Probably could benefit many people that do not spend as much time on this stuff as most of us do. The end speech by Hedges was new to me, I enjoyed it and was inspired by it.

Thank you.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. Which basically means turnout is the key, you could say that nothing else matters
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jun 2015

So, who do you think is more likely to motivate hitherto non-voters to come out and vote for the Democrats?

shireen

(8,333 posts)
5. all of them
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jun 2015

First, i think that Bernie being in the primary is generating more interest in the Dems. That means more people will be paying attention to Clinton, O'Malley, and Chafee.

If Bernie does not win the primary, he will be campaigning hard for the nominee. Ditto for the other candidates if they don't win. In the end, they will all be united.

But the issue of turnout is not primarily on the shoulders of presidential candidates. The quality of grassroots efforts are most important.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
4. Not going to happen until 2020, and possibly not til 2030, as I understand it.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

I'm far from an expert, but my understanding is that the congressional districting is such that the odds of the Democrats taking the House before 2020 are very, very slight indeed.

And Republicans still control a lot of state legislatures, so it's probably not safe to assume that things will improve rather than getting worse in 2020.

The most the Democrats can realistically hope for before then is to control the presidency and the senate, and to make a start on taking some states.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
8. this is interesting ... and depressing
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015


I can only hope that many Republicans will be pissed off enough to vote for Democrats. Some of those Congressional clowns are totally batshit crazy!

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
13. We saw what happened with Obama. We had the senate, but it was filled with
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jun 2015

Rahm's candidates. They weren't very progressive, and far from liberal, that it didn't make any difference.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
23. Yup. We might get the senate back, but the house is on lockdown
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jun 2015

at least until 2021. The 2010 disaster is biting us in the ass big time.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. We need Democrat candidates who can beat the Republicans, we know they do not want Hillary
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

in the general election. Sending a Democrat nominee into the general who can not win will give the presidency to the GOP.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. I think everyone agrees on that
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

The disagreement is more about which candidate or candidates cannot win.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. There are going to be more Republican seats up for grabs in this election....
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jun 2015

That's the main reason the Republicans have tried to keep a low profile.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
20. That's the one case where too much of THEIR "good thing"can still be bad for them.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jun 2015

All those Sennate seats they have now - that just means they have more territory to defend. And more at potential risk. Don't care how much they raise, somebody (hopefuly quite a few somebodies) will come up short.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. I really expect Dems to take back the Senate.....
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015

Harry Reed said he was retiring so there will be a new leader.

Patrick Leahy is next in line followed by Dick Durbin.

I'd rather see Al Franken.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
24. i think it's going to be hard for my dem senator to hold his seat
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jun 2015

colorado voted out a good liberal last year in favor of a bagger puke (lots of dark money was spent on that race) and i think michael bennet has burned himself with some of the unaffiliateds with his support for keystone and tpp. personally, i would like to see him primaried from the left.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
29. i'm not knowledgeable enough about state politics to be even able to throw out a name
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jun 2015

i am lucky that both my state rep and senator are wonderfully progressive and i'd love to see either of them in my seat, but i'm sure either of them would be considered too fringe.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
16. Words....
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jun 2015

I am a supporter of the Democratic Party, especially for "a progressive". Listening to Hillary was just another speech. I just can't get excited about anyone that speaks from a script anymore. I listen to Bernie Sanders, and I see a real difference. The guy speaks form the heart...all the time.

As someone earlier mentioned though, if we don't take the Congress, we are just stuck with another four years of battle to move the boulder down the road; and we're really not moving this country forward at all. We're just slowing the gap that is widening between us and the rest of the democratic nations.

A revolution is more than likely necessary to get anything substantive done, and that's NOT going to happen.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
17. A very important step has been made with the Affordable Care Act..
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jun 2015

If the Supreme Court allows it to continue as is, that one step will save thousands of lives. That one ain't perfect, but it passed by 3 votes in the House of Representatives. I recall that especially close vote. 217-214 on that vote. Yes, we must get that majority or as close as possible. If very close to a majority perhaps a few will join us. There are very few moderates GOP left, but maybe ?? Clearly the Senate must be brought back to us. We will see.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
18. A large number of her policies will go over well with -R's
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jun 2015

She should be able to make a lot of progress having them in control

abakan

(1,819 posts)
21. I agree
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jun 2015

If you think the republicans lost their collective mind, over a man of color being elected president. Wait until a female Clinton is elected. You thought congress was out of control during Bill's term, just wait, you will see a temper tantrum the likes of which has never been seen in history. The only way to get anything done is to target congress. Dump the bros and get some states persons, preferably more dem women.

Delmette

(522 posts)
25. Yes, yes yes!
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jun 2015

Every Senate or Representative seat that is open for election in 2016 needs strong Democrats running and being supported.

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
26. Thinking ahead... coattails
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015

Id rather see progressives be given a choice too, downticket with Bernie as Democratic nominee. This will end the rightward tilt.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
30. Democrats are getting destroyed in state elections..especially in non-Presidential years
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jun 2015

Which is actually typical of American political trends. The party in control of the White House will struggle in the states. Why? It's an odd fact of our political landscape. But it's been that way for several decades and there is no indication that is changing at all.

The Democrats continue to get routed in the state and local levels of American government. We may get the Senate back in 2016 because the GOP is playing defense with so many seats up. But we'll likely lose it again in 2018 if a Democrat is in the White House. It's just how the cycles go.

Holding the White House while winning back the House is something that I just don't see in the realm of possibility.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
34. That's why we have to have some "20-20 vision."
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

Look into the DLCC's Advantage 2020 - where they're focusing, NOW, on that very thing in the three election cycles ahead, 2016, 2018, and 2020. They're FINALLY catching on about what's happening at the state level and why Dems won't be able to get much of ANYTHING done unless we take back the statehouses AND the state legislatures. Because THAT is where the poisons are spreading. THAT is where the bad guys are fucking with the right to vote, a woman's right to choose, ANYBODY'S right to marry, anyone's right to have affordable health care, immigrants rights, workers' rights to organize, unions' rights even just to exist.

It all stems from who controls the state on the "0-years" - EVERY TEN YEARS ON THE ZERO YEAR. That's when the census is taken, population shifts are noted and Congressional reapportionment happens accordingly, and whoever's in power gets to make all the decisions about how Congressional districts are drawn to respond to those new population realities as determined by that new census. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE that DEMS control the majority of statehouses in the "0-years."

http://dlcc.org/news/2020-war-room-inside-secret-plan-beat-gop-gerrymandering-0

Our team is FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY starting to wake up.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
35. Where is the evidence of that?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jun 2015

We just got spanked in 2014's midterms.

The reality is, most Democrat voters seem to believe the Presidency is all that matters. That seems to be the only political race most people give a damn about. Ask the average people on the street who their governor is, who their state reps are, who their mayor is, and the vast majority will draw a blank.

Look at ballot totals in 2012 and notice how many more votes the president race got compared to other races down the ballot. That means we have a ton of people in this country that go to the voting booth, they vote for president, and then leave the rest of the ballot blank. It boggles the mind on how the hell a person can vote that way....but the numbers don't lie. It's happening.

People seem to want the federal government to fix ALL their problems. But that's not the way our government is organized. There are certain things that the states do for themselves. Your governor is likely to have a far greater impact on policies that directly effect your life than the president.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
36. Evidence of what?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jun 2015

Not sure I understand your question.

Advantage 2020 only just got STARTED in 2014. I'm just glad SOMETHING has. It seems mighty urgent to me, so I'm just glad somebody in our party decided to wake up and focus on this for a change, instead of being myopically focused on what's inside the almighty freakin' Beltway.

"Your governor is likely to have a far greater impact on policies that directly effect your life than the president." Clearly true. That's why it makes perfect sense to turn more attention to what's going on at the state level.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
37. ...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015
Democrats are getting destroyed in some of the state elections..especially in non-Presidential years


Just pointing out that there are specific states where we are getting wacked, not all state elections.

Certainly Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, and Ohio are four examples that come to mind off the top of my head. There are plenty more though.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
31. Agreed!
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

It's no coincidence that Mittens (Romney) chose this weekend to attack President Obama's foreign policy at his assembly of sheep in Utah this weekend, and give a whole new meaning to "Death by PowerPoint."

Regardless, we need to load the ballot with viable candidates who can seize the majority in both houses, not just retain the White House. I, too, believe it's time for an American Spring,a peaceful political revolution that eliminates the power of special interests -- on both sides of the aisle. However if the forces that be bring Hillary to the ballot, so be it. We must show solitary. Too much is at stake here!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
40. We must embrace the 50 state strategy in midterms.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:35 AM
Jun 2015

It's the only viable way.

And yes that means running Blue Dogs.

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