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Dallas Shooter Identified.. (Original Post) busterbrown Jun 2015 OP
And, because he's white and not Muslim, this won't get called "terrorism," either. Fawke Em Jun 2015 #1
GOP About To Pass A Bill In The House Today busterbrown Jun 2015 #3
here we go ... napkinz Jun 2015 #7
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jun 2015 #2
Well This is a Good Start.. busterbrown Jun 2015 #4
Pipe bombs are illegal Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #6
But what if you had to show a license to buy guns or bullets? Sancho Jun 2015 #10
You do have to go through a federal Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #12
I know what you have to do...and it clearly doesn't work. Sancho Jun 2015 #13
How? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #15
Yeah, silent as a tomb Warpy Jun 2015 #5
Yes..Also incredibly sad that he was able to procure weapons.. busterbrown Jun 2015 #11
He managed to live longer than Tamir Rice. nt BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #8
Skin color Glassunion Jun 2015 #14
Those guns are just great I tell ya. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #9
Some code... Glassunion Jun 2015 #16

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
1. And, because he's white and not Muslim, this won't get called "terrorism," either.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:06 PM
Jun 2015

Apparently, this guy was into zombies.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
3. GOP About To Pass A Bill In The House Today
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jun 2015

Naturalized American White Men Can Not be classified as Terrorists....

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
2. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jun 2015

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
4. Well This is a Good Start..
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jun 2015

As one who would love to see all guns banned... This is s good start and if I could see this kind of legislation in my life time, I would feel a lot more comfortable..

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
10. But what if you had to show a license to buy guns or bullets?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jun 2015

No one doubts that some people will always get around laws. The question is why do we allow it to be easy???

If this guy was known to the police, his family, etc. as unstable and a criminal - then he should not have been able to buy guns and bullets.

Right now, an unstable person can walk into Walmart and buy weapons.

About the same number of people are killed by guns as auto accidents. If pipe bombs start killing that many people, then it will get my attention.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
12. You do have to go through a federal
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jun 2015

Background check to purchase a weapon from walmart now. You have to show ID and be a resident of the state.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
13. I know what you have to do...and it clearly doesn't work.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:07 PM
Jun 2015

All the reasons are well-documented. The Federal "background check" is a joke.

That's the whole idea of a license as a reasonable way to keep obviously dangerous people from possessing guns.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
5. Yeah, silent as a tomb
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jun 2015

When your own mother sounds relieved that you've finally been blown away without hurting anybody else, it's an incredibly sad situation.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
16. Some code...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

If .%perp%.==.notwhite. (goto OMG)
If .%perp%.==.white. (goto OK)

:OK
If exist %ashittonofguns% (echo No worries, this was an upstanding citizen. Ignore the gunz & goto :eof)

:OMG
If exist %noguns% (echo Shoot the fucker!!!! & goto STF) else (echo Shoot the fucker anyway!!!! & goto STF)

:STF
Echo why didn't you shoot the fucker? He doesn't have white skin!!!!
Echo We will wait while you shoot the fucker
Pause
Echo Did you shoot the fucker?
Choice /C:YN /M "Is the fucker dead?"
If %errorlevel% EQU 1 (echo Good job!!! & goto :eof) else (echo Shoot the fucker some more!!! & goto STF)

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