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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:09 PM Jun 2015

Pundits Who Toasted Bush's "Base" Campaign Strategy Now Attack Democrats For Doing Same Thing

Is there a "right way" and a "wrong way" to win elections? Is it "too easy" for presidential candidates to simply win more electoral votes than their opponents? Or are they responsible, for the sake of our democracy, to try to win big?

That odd debate was sparked this week by the New York Times in a widely, widely ridiculed article that seemed to chastise Hillary Clinton's campaign for not trying to win over swing voters and voters in deeply red, Republican states. Despite the ridicule, the "narrow path" critique was quickly embraced by columnists David Brooks at the Times and Ron Fournier at National Journal, who attached ethical implications to the campaign strategy.

Fournier complained that simply winning more votes than your opponent in 2016 is definitely the "wrong way" to get elected. "It's not the right path." Brooks agreed, insisting that by not spending an inordinate amount of time, money and resources chasing swing voters, Clinton would be making a "mistake." Worse, it's "bad" for "the country."

Sure, she might be elected. Sure she might be able to lead the country in a direction she wants and beat back Republican initiatives she thinks are bad for the country. But it would all still be a terrible "mistake," according to Brooks.

Why? The optics wouldn't be right. It's too "easy." Because entire presidencies are now determined by how elections are won. If races are won the "wrong" way, the four-year term is a waste. Because national elections in a deeply divided nation are supposed to be unifying events. Or something. (Did I mention this "narrow path" critique has been widely, widely ridiculed?)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/12/pundits-who-toasted-bushs-base-campaign-strateg/203981

Widely, widely is bolded -- this is one of the articles ridiculing the article.

No, Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Strategy Isn’t Bad for America

The newest meme in the 2016 campaign is the idea that Hillary Clinton is running a “narrower,” more partisan campaign than her husband did, thereby endangering her ability to govern if she wins, and possibly endangering her campaign itself. To call an idea a meme has certain insulting connotations — it implies that it spreads from person to person on the basis of its cosmetic appeal, without having any analytic heft to support it. In this case, the insulting connotation is fair.

The main basis for the meme is a mostly good front-page news analysis from Sunday’s New York Times, by Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman, which contrasts Hillary Clinton’s campaign strategy with her husband’s 1992 version. Centrist pundits like Ron Fournier and David Brooks have loaded Martin and Haberman’s analysis with moral connotations, producing columns that excoriate Clinton as divisive, partisan, liberal, and bad for America. The meme is powerful because it appeals to deep-seated emotions that animate centrists like Fournier and Brooks. But it is based on a series of misapprehensions about American politics piled atop each other, producing a conclusion that is bizarre and incoherent.

1. Martin and Haberman identify an important ideological difference between the current Clinton campaign and the previous version. Bill Clinton ran in 1992, during a conservative era, when most social issues favored the Republican Party. Bill Clinton adopted heterodox positions on criminal justice and welfare in order to rebuild his party’s trust with white voters, who had fled in the mid-1960s.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has the luxury of social issues that unite her basis with the center. The Times story correctly identifies her “liberal positions on gay rights, immigration, criminal justice, voting rights and pay equity for women.” The article does not mention that those positions, in addition to appealing to liberals, also appeal to the center, though Martin and Haberman have made this point in previous stories. Those liberal positions place Republicans in a bind between their base and the political center. All this is to say that Hillary Clinton, like her husband, is attempting to occupy the political center on social issues but has the benefit of more favorable terrain. One reason for this is that the electorate looks dramatically different than it did 24 years ago. In 1992, nonwhite voters constituted just 13 percent of the electorate. In 2016, they will probably cast 30 percent of the votes.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/clintons-strategy-isnt-bad-for-america.html

This is the "widely, widely" ridiculed article

Hillary Clinton Traces Friendly Path, Troubling Party

WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to be dispensing with the nationwide electoral strategy that won her husband two terms in the White House and brought white working-class voters and great stretches of what is now red-state America back to Democrats.

Instead, she is poised to retrace Barack Obama’s far narrower path to the presidency: a campaign focused more on mobilizing supporters in the Great Lakes states and in parts of the West and South than on persuading undecided voters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-traces-friendly-path-troubling-party.html?_r=1

I can see the problem. Obama's "far-narrower path" including electoral college blowouts and according to polls the political center are progressive policies so Hillary Clinton has the right ideas when it comes to votes. I think the trouble is during policy decision time who has their ear.

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Pundits Who Toasted Bush's "Base" Campaign Strategy Now Attack Democrats For Doing Same Thing (Original Post) JonLP24 Jun 2015 OP
It is all about putting their Enemy in a defined box. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #1
I could be wrong but maybe someone should inform politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2015 #2
I think the criticim of her strategy is focusing on positions she is taking JonLP24 Jun 2015 #3
"appealing to the Obama coalition basically rather than white moderates." BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #4
I figured posting the Media Matters article would hint my disagree with JonLP24 Jun 2015 #5
If you look at the demographics of WV BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #6
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. It is all about putting their Enemy in a defined box.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jun 2015

Every single so called Pundit mentioned here,use's the same phraseology and the same descriptive verbiage in every and all their comments, about any opposition to their preferred candidate. Just a fancy Lobbyist for the D.C. agenda.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
2. I could be wrong but maybe someone should inform
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jun 2015

David Brooks at the Times and Ron Fournier at National Journal, that Hillary was just in Texas the other day. You know Texas, that last great bastion of Blue Democracy. I swear I just read about her trip there this week, but than again I could be mistaken.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. I think the criticim of her strategy is focusing on positions she is taking
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

on stump speeches -- appealing to the Obama coalition basically rather than white moderates.

In Texas there is a fighting chance with the Southern part of the state with cities like Houston and Austin.

It does say this but it lacks details: Twenty years later, Mr. Obama convincingly won a second term without competing in states like Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee or West Virginia that powered Mr. Clinton. And because of his strong appeal among liberals, Mr. Obama did so even while losing among independent voters.

-----(From the NYT article)

There is a reason Obama forfeitted Kentucky and West Virginia and it was over anger with regulations on coal. Especially the coal counties. The coal counties in Kentucky traditionally vote Democrat -- McConnell biggest gains from his previous Senate election -- the top 8 were coal counties but they still voted Democratic in statewide races hence the Democratic legislature. Don't know too much why Obama would forfeit Tennesee or Louisiana but do know Landrieu lost over 90% of the unfavorable view of Obama vote.

On edit -- the article widely, widely ridiculed makes sense at first but falls of the rails "incoherent" was a good word to describe it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,125 posts)
4. "appealing to the Obama coalition basically rather than white moderates."
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jun 2015

If you do an analysis of the 2008 primary, you will see that she won states like Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky and others that would refuse to vote for a black man.



If anything, the aim might be to hold his states and pick up some that didn't go for him - notably those that left him in 2012 like NC, IN, etc.



JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
5. I figured posting the Media Matters article would hint my disagree with
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jun 2015

article criticizing her strategy though the one part on issues and policies it is clear who she is trying to appeal to and "Obama coalition" is a reference to 2008 and 2012 General elections. Taking stances on taking "money out of politics", criminal justice reform, and similar progressive policies rather than Welfare Reform or the triangulation of 1992. A wise campaign strategist would try to replicate Obama's general election strategy.


West Virginia is a very racist state "Rand University" is an excellent documentary highlighting this and besides there are Youtube videos of angry white Hillary Clinton supporters saying they were going to vote for McCain.

Louisville & Eastern Kentucky are traditionally Democratic until the "war on coal" though the counties Louisville was the only area Alison-Grimes carried so probably a little bit of both when it comes to "refuse to vote for a black man". The Southeast or "The South" was the only region the Republican candidate carried both times -- I think Romney got 55% to 45% so certainly there is that but with Demographic trends Georgia through North Carolina could be shifting to more purple to blue hence the appeal to the "Obama coalition".

BumRushDaShow

(129,125 posts)
6. If you look at the demographics of WV
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jun 2015

vs the states around it, it's interesting. I.e., it became it's own near-homogeneous state in the midst of more diverse states.

WV - 3.6% black
VA - 19.7% black
MD - 30.1% black
KY - 8.2% black
OH - 12.5% black
PA - 11.5% black

The issue of the "south" is that the coastal SE belt has black populations running from 22% (NC) - near 40% (MS).

It's a sleeping giant that has generational & regional connotations... And oddly, I expect that Bill's southern heritage will be brought to the fore later in the campaign..

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