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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:20 PM Jun 2015

You can ignore it all you want

But it's here.

Fukushima has increased the background radiation levels in the Pacific ocean by 600%.

Before Fukushima blew up and began dumping radiated water in the ocean, rad levels were at 1. Those levels are now above 6 and due to increase.

All kinds of sea life is being washed up on the shores of the west coast and the scientists are befuddled, and they specifically state they are not testing for radiation in the dead animals.

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You can ignore it all you want (Original Post) RobertEarl Jun 2015 OP
How stupid is that? 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #1
Who is paying the scientists? LiberalEsto Jun 2015 #2
They are only scientists... Fairgo Jun 2015 #16
Japan has a lot of power in this world. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #3
Who is they? Make7 Jun 2015 #4
That's my question too. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #33
'They' is RobertEarl Jun 2015 #38
Links to info? PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #5
Inb4 Arnie Gunderson, Helen Caldicott and ENEnews... SidDithers Jun 2015 #6
but seriously, G_j Jun 2015 #7
Source RobertEarl Jun 2015 #20
Screw that link RobertEarl Jun 2015 #28
Isn't the EPA's Maximum Contaminant Level for Cs137 in drinking water 7400 Bq/m3? ( n/t ) Make7 Jun 2015 #34
Would you drink that? RobertEarl Jun 2015 #35
Bullshit. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #8
Lol! zappaman Jun 2015 #9
rad levels of 6 what sharp_stick Jun 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author FBaggins Jun 2015 #11
Which is it? Dishonesty... ignorance... or just really bad at math? FBaggins Jun 2015 #12
(cover ears) La-la-la... nt raccoon Jun 2015 #13
"Those levels are now above 6 and due to increase." NuclearDem Jun 2015 #14
OK. Thanks. I'll do that. MineralMan Jun 2015 #15
Correction RobertEarl Jun 2015 #19
I would be very interested in hearing more about this Chemisse Jun 2015 #17
Data RobertEarl Jun 2015 #18
According to your source, the levels are not rising and may be dropping csziggy Jun 2015 #21
Yeah, they are afraid of posting new data RobertEarl Jun 2015 #22
so you can't actually link to anything showing what you're claiming then? tammywammy Jun 2015 #23
Best I could find right now RobertEarl Jun 2015 #27
Keep searching. zappaman Jun 2015 #30
How can you expect him to link to his imagination? FBaggins Jun 2015 #31
So your source does not post the data to support their claims? csziggy Jun 2015 #24
I took a screen shot from there RobertEarl Jun 2015 #25
The data hasn't been "scrubbed" FBaggins Jun 2015 #32
Yep RobertEarl Jun 2015 #36
There are more oxygen depleted dead zones, resulting in applegrove Jun 2015 #26
Everyone has ignored cwydro Jun 2015 #29
What sea life is washed up on shores that befuddle scientists? Velella velella, like have happened uppityperson Jun 2015 #37
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. How stupid is that?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jun 2015

They specifically say they DON'T check for radiation?

I though "scientists" were supposed to be smart.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
2. Who is paying the scientists?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jun 2015

The scientists are plenty smart. But their paychecks ikely come from folks who don't want the radiation levels tested.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. Japan has a lot of power in this world.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jun 2015

They've pressured the Canadian government to ban Paul Watson,a Canadian citizen, from entering the country.

Make7

(8,543 posts)
4. Who is they?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jun 2015

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #bfbfbf inset;"]... they specifically state they are not testing for radiation in the dead animals.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
38. 'They' is
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:18 PM
Jun 2015

The scientists who are looking after the dead sea life.

There is not one report of the pathologists looking for radiation signs.

But there are reports of them stating they are not looking for radiation signs.

Weird, right?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
6. Inb4 Arnie Gunderson, Helen Caldicott and ENEnews...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jun 2015

Or maybe Mangano and Sherman. They're always good for a laugh.

Sid

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
28. Screw that link
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:55 AM
Jun 2015

rad ocean is so out dated they even go so far as to lie about not finding Cs134, which was found. Sorry about that, I had thought theyd' be honest....

so here's the good stuff.....

http://www.vancouversun.comnews/Toxic+waters+Nuclear+radiation+found+pose+health+concerns/9606269/story.html




From:
http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=14652

F#5049
Coordinates: 41.46, -126.18
Sample Date: Aug 07, 2014 12:00
Depth: 20
Thanks to: Captain Curtis Collins, RV Point Sur, Moss Landing Marine Lab.

Cs137*: 6.4 ± 0.2Bq/m3
Cs134*: 1.7 ± 0.1Bq/m3

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
35. Would you drink that?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jun 2015

I sure wouldn't.

Besides, just drinking a cubic meter of water in one day would kill a person.

The problem is that the sea life lives, rather, is dieing from the man made nuclear pollution, being as it lives in the slop and all its food absorbs not just cesium but a multitude of deadly material emitted from Fukushima.

Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
12. Which is it? Dishonesty... ignorance... or just really bad at math?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jun 2015

There is no fourth option.

Fukushima has increased the background radiation levels in the Pacific ocean by 600%.

Nope. Fukushima increased the background beta radiation (at the currently most contaminated spot off the West Coast) by a few hundredths of a percent.

So... you're only off by multiple orders of magnitude. Not your worst effort... but not exactly impressive.

All kinds of sea life is being washed up on the shores of the west coast and the scientists are befuddled, and they specifically state they are not testing for radiation in the dead animals.

That's because they're scientists... and they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's zero chance that radiation from Fukushima killed them.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
14. "Those levels are now above 6 and due to increase."
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

Six what, Robert?

Oh dear, is this going to be fun.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. OK. Thanks. I'll do that.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jun 2015

It was a busy news day. Fukushima happened some time ago. It was bad. We get that. In the meantime, many other things are happening right now.

Panic about Fukushima now will not make it go away.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
19. Correction
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jun 2015

There is no 'was' bad. It is bad and has been bad for four years and now the level of rads in the ocean off California is at 600% increase. It is getting worse since rads are long lasting.

You should not panic. You should just sit back and enjoy what is left of life. Of course it's way too late for the sea life in the Pacific.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
17. I would be very interested in hearing more about this
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jun 2015

But only if there is a link to scientific data and discussion.

Anybody can post numbers and opinions. You need to back them up with proof.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Data
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:01 PM
Jun 2015

The http://www.ourradioactiveocean.org/ has been sampling for cesium-137 in the Pacific. The level was 1 and now is above 7.

And more is on the way, since Fukushima is still dumping rads into the Pacific as it has been for four years now.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
21. According to your source, the levels are not rising and may be dropping
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jun 2015

Since the only semi-consistent location tested on their map are locations near Los Angeles I've taken it as a point for comparison:

2011

F# UCSB-8
Coordinates: 34.25, -118.91
Sample Date: May 12, 2011 12:00
Depth: surf
Temperature: 12.9529
Salinity: 33.7037
Cs137: 1.8 ± 0.1Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection


2012
F# SEA1
Coordinates: 32.2, -123.87
Sample Date: Oct 07, 2012 12:00
Depth: 0
Temperature: 18.7
Salinity: 33.18
Cs137: 1.7 ± 0.2Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection


2013

F# P91
Sample Type: profile
Coordinates: 31.28, -121.27
Sample Date: May 30, 2013 12:00
Depth: 38
Temperature: 15.02
Salinity: 33.37
Cs137: 1.8 ± 0.1Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection

F# P90
Sample Type: profile
Coordinates: 31.28, -121.27
Sample Date: May 30, 2013 12:00
Depth: 175
Temperature: 9.29
Salinity: 33.75
Cs137: 1.4 ± 0.1Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection

F# P89
Sample Type: profile
Coordinates: 31.28, -121.27
Sample Date: May 30, 2013 12:00
Depth: 375
Temperature: 6.84
Salinity: 34.15
Cs137: 0.9 ± 0.1Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection


2014
CS034, Laguna Beach, California
Coordinates: 33.49, -117.74
Sample Date: Apr 13, 2014 12:00
Cs137: 1.7 ± 0.1Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection

CS017, Santa Monica, California
Coordinates: 34.03, -118.52
Sample Date: Feb 07, 2014 12:00
Cs137: 1.4 ± 0.1Bq/m3
Cs134: below detection


All results from http://www.ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html

There is NO SAMPLE near LA that has tested "above 7" for Cs137 - over the last four years it has tested between 0.9 and 1.8, no indication of spikes. Checking results from all along the coast, I found one sample (Bodega Head in 2014) that was 2.1 ± 0.1Bq/m3 but the most recent sample is 1.1 ± 0.1Bq/m3.

Where exactly was the "above 7" reading taken? What date? Who took the sample and did the testing?
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Yeah, they are afraid of posting new data
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jun 2015

Back when they started they even found a level of C-134 at 7 off the coast of SoCal. You had to hunt through about 10 pages to find it, but it was there. Now? hahahaha

Couple of months ago, from near Vancouver, data was presented and posted on DU LBN about C-137 level above 7.

Its here and it's only gonna get worse. Just look at all the dead and dieing sea life.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
23. so you can't actually link to anything showing what you're claiming then?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:36 PM
Jun 2015
Back when they started they even found a level of C-134 at 7 off the coast of SoCal. You had to hunt through about 10 pages to find it, but it was there. Now? hahahaha
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. Best I could find right now
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:25 AM
Jun 2015

By - Associated Press - Wednesday, April 8, 2015

VICTORIA, British Columbia (AP) - Radiation from the leaking Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor has been detected on the shores of Vancouver Island, four years after a deadly earthquake and tsunami in Japan killed 16,000 people.

University of Victoria chemical oceanographer Jay Cullen said Monday that it’s the first time radiation has been found on the shorelines of North America since the quake and tsunami ravaged the Japanese north coast and disabled the nuclear reactor.

Low levels of the radioactive isotope Cesium-134, which scientists say can only come from Fukushima, were found in waters collected on Feb. 19 off a dock at Ucluelet, British Columbia, about 195 miles west of Victoria, Cullen said.

Last November, the first sample containing detectable radioactivity from Fukushima was discovered about 90 miles off the coast of northern California.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/8/japanese-reactor-radiation-detected-off-bc-coast/

...........................

My memory was that a level 7 found, was Cs137.
Note that this report says they found Cs134, which the rad ocean link does NOT report. Which goes to show the rad ocean site is hiding something. I figured the rad ocean people by now would be reporting up to date data, but it is not. My bad for trusting them and using them as a source, because even the AP is a better source than them.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
31. How can you expect him to link to his imagination?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:20 AM
Jun 2015

You're really not being fair with your standard of proof.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
24. So your source does not post the data to support their claims?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jun 2015

Then I agree with the other posters. Bull fucking shit.

Have a nice life.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
25. I took a screen shot from there
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jun 2015

Here's the location and date and data

F# UCSB-1
Date Mar 22, 2011 03:00
depth: surf

Cs137: 7.3

Cs134: 7.4

---------

If you care you can search for it but it has probably been scrubbed...??

I looked for the LBN post... no luck. Then I looked at another site and it wouldn't load. On that site was data that showed, well offshore, a level of close to 20 of Cs137. It's coming.




FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
32. The data hasn't been "scrubbed"
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:28 AM
Jun 2015

It's still there... you're just missing that that's from just a couple weeks after the explosions - when airborne contamination had just arrived, but before it diluted away (as shown by the most recent reading from the same area).

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
36. Yep
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jun 2015

We had a convo about this a while back. Thanks for the confirmation that I am accurate about the deposition.

Lots of folks have ignored the fact that there was a lot of airborne deposition from the cores exploding and spreading around the world. But there is proof of the core material landing on the US. Thanks for backing me up!!

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
26. There are more oxygen depleted dead zones, resulting in
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jun 2015

a die off of all aquatic life, up the west coast. Caused by global climate change. So it could be more of that.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
29. Everyone has ignored
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:00 AM
Jun 2015

the Gulf disaster too.

We can thank Obama for allowing Corexit to be used there. Killing multitudes of sea animals.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
37. What sea life is washed up on shores that befuddle scientists? Velella velella, like have happened
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

since at least 1978 when I saw them covering the beaches in WA and OR? These are the ones the omgpress is calling "alien sea creatures" and while they don't wash up regularly, they have been doing this for for 30 years that I know of personally.

Or do you mean sea lion pup starving due to warm waters causing lack of prey?
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/13/3633743/sea-lion-pups-washing-ashore/

“unusually warm waters,” which are driving away food sources for sea lion moms. Because the moms can’t find food, they’re either abandoning the pups, or not getting back to them in time to feed them.

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