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applegrove

(118,677 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:01 PM Jun 2015

A Bank CEO Said Elizabeth Warren Doesn’t Understand Wall Street. Her Response Was Perfect.

A Bank CEO Said Elizabeth Warren Doesn’t Understand Wall Street. Her Response Was Perfect.

by Bryce Covert at Think Progress

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/06/12/3668972/elizabeth-warren-response-jamie-dimon/

"SNIP.............


On Wednesday, JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon said of Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren (D), “I don’t know if she fully understands the global banking system.”

By Thursday, Warren already had a response. Speaking on the Huffington Post’s “So, That Happened” podcast, she said, “The problem is not that I don’t understand the global banking system. The problem for these guys is that I fully understand the system and I understand how they make their money. And that’s what they don’t like about me.”

Warren’s résumé comes with nearly 20 years of experience teaching corporate law at Harvard University, publishing nine books, chairing the Congressional Oversight Panel that oversaw the bank bailouts in 2008 (of which JP Morgan was a beneficiary), and coming up with the idea for and helping to create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which has already helped consumers avoid numerous predatory lending schemes and recouped more than $4.8 billion through its enforcement actions.

She has also become widely known for her tough critiques of the banking industry. She has questioned why the government didn’t break up the biggest banks, like JP Morgan, when it offered bailout money in 2008 and joined a group of Senators in 2013 to propose reinstating a Depression-era rule that separated commercial and investment banking. She’s been a staunch supporter of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform bill and stood in opposition to Republicans’ attempts to roll parts of it back.




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A Bank CEO Said Elizabeth Warren Doesn’t Understand Wall Street. Her Response Was Perfect. (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2015 OP
Typical Scapegoating By The 1% cantbeserious Jun 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #22
We all understand they are fucking criminals who belong in prison. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #23
Of course, bankers, who brought down quite a few nations with collateralized mortgage obligations, merrily Jun 2015 #3
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #9
+1. And the Little Woman (and Shrew) couldn't possibly understand such complex appalachiablue Jun 2015 #11
And what presidential candidate wants to break up the azmom Jun 2015 #4
crapitalism is killing the golden goose. its that ayn rand syndrome. its a fantasy. pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #5
How many people do you know who had their intellectual growth stunted Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #6
You should not disrespect their religion like that. zeemike Jun 2015 #7
How did I just know it would be that arrogant POS Dimon. SoapBox Jun 2015 #8
Jamie Dimon...where have I heard that name before... jmowreader Jun 2015 #10
Careful talking about Jamie like that, remember HE HAS WHITE HOUSE CUFF LINKS! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #12
The weird thing (to me) about Jamie Dimon... jmowreader Jun 2015 #15
She is awesome. Marie Marie Jun 2015 #13
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #14
I will definitely check it out right away JonLP24 Jun 2015 #17
Oh, the President has said some things that make me want to vomit. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #18
There are a couple things I wanted to point out JonLP24 Jun 2015 #20
Carlin, the Master. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #19
The most screwed up thing JonLP24 Jun 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #21

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Of course, bankers, who brought down quite a few nations with collateralized mortgage obligations,
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:33 AM - Edit history (1)

understand international banking perfectly.




Well, they've got the internation money laundering bit down pretty well, anyway.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
11. +1. And the Little Woman (and Shrew) couldn't possibly understand such complex
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jun 2015

financial systems like the boys do, not Brooksley Born, Shelia Bair, Christina Romer, none of them. And when genius Larry Summers was Pres. of Harvard he proclaimed that women can't excel in the sciences, so that settles it!

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
6. How many people do you know who had their intellectual growth stunted
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jun 2015

. . . by reading Atlas Shrugged as a teenager?

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
10. Jamie Dimon...where have I heard that name before...
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jun 2015

Could it be...THIS guy?

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(Yes, that's real. And even the business press was going off on him when he put this thing on his Christmas cards.)

Y'know, Jamie, a LOT of people understand the global banking system better than you, especially the part about how you can only push an economy so far before it breaks down - a fact none of the people in the global banking system seem to care about.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
12. Careful talking about Jamie like that, remember HE HAS WHITE HOUSE CUFF LINKS!
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jun 2015

Emblazoned with the POTUS seal-

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
15. The weird thing (to me) about Jamie Dimon...
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jun 2015

When I look at him, I don't think "billionaire bankster." He looks more like a chef to me - perhaps a little like Danny Meyer, who owns about half the restaurants in New York.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
17. I will definitely check it out right away
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:40 AM
Jun 2015

but I have to say I have a very, very dark view. US following in Britian's footsteps seems to have a policy foreign or otherwise "globalization" -- parasitic greed to control or have access to all the world's resources. Gotta have it all almost like an invasive species so I'm interested to see if it surpasses my expectations but more interested in learning more.

One comment with "lifting the veil". The lies definitely & the presentations, the saying we're noble & perfect and so our are friends.

Obama hails Margaret Thatcher as 'great champion of freedom' in tribute

He added: "Here in America, many of us will never forget her standing shoulder to shoulder with President Reagan, reminding the world that we are not simply carried along by the currents of history – we can shape them with moral conviction, unyielding courage and iron will."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-dies-tributes-obama

Moral conviction & Reagan in the same sentence, really? Reminded of the George Carlin "bullshit" routine again, especially the part of America being the leading manufacturer of bullshit.



Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
18. Oh, the President has said some things that make me want to vomit.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jun 2015

The things he has said only lend credence to the film link I posted. This nation is very deep shit.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
20. There are a couple things I wanted to point out
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:50 AM
Jun 2015

First I think the historian has it backward when it comes to FDR. He was wealthy and friendly to business interests, there was two new deals the first one addressed banks and only banks though it did include expansive regulations & restrictions. Far more than you see today, due to pressure from the progressives then came the second new deal with social security and so many other things probably the most meaningful & productive legislation of the 20th century & probably before and certainly since. There were notable significant economic figures of the era that had a lot of people's ear such as Frances Perkins & John Keynes that also had the right ideas but it was about politics more than anything or that he had their backs then turned on them. This is an example off what is mainly about

In 1935, Roosevelt called for a tax program called the Wealth Tax Act (Revenue Act of 1935) to redistribute wealth. But there was more rhetoric than revenue in that proposal. The bill imposed an income tax of 79% on incomes over $5 million. Since that was an extraordinary high income in the 1930s, the highest tax rate actually covered just one individual – John D. Rockefeller. The bill was expected to raise only about $250 million in additional funds, so revenue was not the primary goal. Morgenthau called it "more or less a campaign document". In a private conversation with Raymond Moley, Roosevelt admitted that the purpose of the bill was "stealing Huey Long's thunder" by making Long's supporters his own. At the same time, it raised the bitterness of the rich who called Roosevelt "a traitor to his class" and the wealth tax act a "soak the rich tax".[94]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#Second_New_Deal_.281935.E2.80.931938.29

Its amazing how little things change but I see FDR more as a mythical figure than FDR that certainly deserves credit for the right policies & decisions. Thomas Friedman who wasn't pushing anything new, just a repackaged version of Hoover-era Republican "trickle down economics" which was the "Horse and Sparrow theory" in the 1800s. He also a new deal critic

Friedman was initially unable to find academic employment, so in 1935 he followed his friend W. Allen Wallis to Washington, where Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal was "a lifesaver" for many young economists.[27] At this stage, Friedman said that he and his wife "regarded the job-creation programs such as the WPA, CCC, and PWA appropriate responses to the critical situation," but not "the price- and wage-fixing measures of the National Recovery Administration and the Agricultural Adjustment Administration."[28]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

Not sure why there was a shift exactly. It certainly began with Truman though. FDR, I don't think he improved much if any for the rights of minorities and definitely the internment camps were a huge step backward though don't know much about this part of his Presidency but appointed an openly racist as his drug czar using all sorts of crazy nonsense about Jazz musicians and white women to oppose mostly marijuana and opium from what I remember though don't know the kind of influence he had that led to FDR signing the catch-22 Marihuana Tax Act of 1937.

It is a shame Truman isn't on par with the mythical FDR & JFK figures (though his potential wasn't given an opportunity to see what it would become one way or the other) but known for the "Fair Deal" which including extending the benefits that were kept from minorities to please the Southern bloc but admired his courage & political risks pushing Civil Rights in an election year and a convention that shattered the party notable for Hubert Humphrey's defense of Truman's civil rights plank “get out of the shadow of state’s rights and to walk forthrightly into the brighter sunshine of human rights.’” JFK was against it in 1948 but changed positions earlier than LBJ who waited until he was his Vice President to change, he was very openly critical of Truman taking a "State's rights" stance focusing on the federal anti-lynching laws as part of his 10-point proposal.

Anyway, the best explanation I've come across was the Republican party was always the big business party. Before, with western expansion "manifest destiny" growing the size & power of the US government was to their benefit for rail road contracts, rail construction, things like that was to their benefit but when there was little left then the the less government, less regulations, etc was to big business benefit.

I do know "trickle down" or "supply-side" economics is responsible for the Panic of 1896 (the same year as the so-called shift)

Election of 1896

The United States presidential election of 1896 was the 28th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 3, 1896. It climaxed an intensely heated contest in which Republican candidate William McKinley (a former Governor of Ohio) defeated Democrat William Jennings Bryan (a former Representative from Nebraska) in one of the most dramatic and complex races in American history.

The 1896 campaign is often considered to be a realigning election that ended the old Third Party System and began the Fourth Party System.[2] McKinley forged a conservative coalition in which businessmen, professionals, skilled factory workers, and prosperous farmers were heavily represented. He was strongest in cities and in the Northeast, Upper Midwest, and Pacific Coast. Bryan was the nominee of the Democrats, the Populist Party, and the Silver Republicans. He presented his campaign as a crusade of the working man against the rich, who impoverished America by limiting the money supply, which was based on gold. Silver, he said, was in ample supply and if coined into money would restore prosperity while undermining the illicit power of the money trust. Bryan was strongest in the South, rural Midwest, and Rocky Mountain states. Bryan's moralistic rhetoric and crusading for inflation (based on a money supply based on silver as well as gold) alienated conservatives and especially German American voters. Turnout was very high, passing 90% of the eligible voters in many places.

For three years, the nation had been mired in a deep economic depression, marked by low prices, low profits, high unemployment, and violent strikes. Economic issues, especially silver or gold for the money supply, and tariffs, were central issues. Republican campaign manager Mark Hanna pioneered many modern campaign techniques, facilitated by a $3.5 million budget. He outspent Bryan by a factor of five. The Democratic Party's repudiation of its economically conservative Bourbon faction, represented by incumbent President Grover Cleveland, largely gave Bryan and his supporters control of the Democratic Party until the 1920s, and set the stage for Republican domination of the Fourth Party System and control of the White House for 28 of the next 36 years, interrupted only by the two terms of Democrat Woodrow Wilson.

(this is so ironic I had to include this part though not part of info I wanted to include)

Republican attacks on Bryan

Increasingly, the Republicans personalized their attacks on Bryan as a dangerous religious fanatic.[23

<snip>
Financing

The McKinley campaign invented a new form of campaign financing that has dominated American politics ever since.[20] Instead of asking office holders to return a cut of their pay, Hanna went to financiers and industrialists and made a business proposition. He explained that Bryan would win if nothing happened, and that the McKinley team had a winning counterattack that would be very expensive. He then would ask them how much it was worth to the business not to have Bryan as president. He suggested an amount and was happy to take a check. Hanna had moved beyond partisanship and campaign rhetoric to a businessman's thinking about how to achieve a desired result. He raised $3.5 million. Hanna brought in banker Charles G. Dawes to run the Chicago office and spend about $2 million in the critical region.[21]

Meanwhile, traditional funders of the Democratic Party (mostly financiers from the Northeast) rejected Bryan, although he did manage to raise about $500,000. Some of it came from businessmen with interests in silver mining.

The financial disparity grew larger and larger as the Republican funded more and more rallies, speeches, and torchlight parades, as well as hundreds of millions of pamphlets attacking Bryan and praising McKinley. Lacking a systematic fund-raising system, Bryan was unable to tap his potential supporters, and he had to rely on passing the hat at rallies. National Chairman Jones pleaded, "No matter in how small sums, no matter by what humble contributions, let the friends of liberty and national honor contribute all they can."[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1896#Labor_unions_and_skilled_workers

The "Horse and Sparrow theory" led to the panic of 1896 but don't know how much has one to do to the other but wow didn't know about where modern campaign finance comes from. A shift indeed.

Anyway, took a break to shower and should go to sleep but I'll watch the rest of the video. I'm worried it could be overly-simplistic, missing key facts to include to the point they are trying to make. Certainly the Republicans haven't changed since the 1920s, that much is clear.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. The most screwed up thing
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:10 AM
Jun 2015

is if Jamie Dimon feels like expressing his criticisms like the "I'm barely a Democrat" is there is a reporter willing to show up, probably floor it and drive through intersections if he says "you have 30 minutes (because you know he's so busy) or I'm going to (a competitor)" but anyone else at the 99%, small business owners don't have that luxury to say what bothers them. He selects and chooses her because of the obvious threat to his profits. He doesn't say this trickle-down politician or pro tax cut politician doesn't understand the global banking system but chooses this politician.

His criticism just shows she is doing a great job or simply doing her job, all 50 Senators should be "putting people first". A shame a politician stands out for doing so.

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