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What the hell does PUMA mean? (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jun 2015 OP
Party unity my ass. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #1
In reference to what and whom? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #2
It was a group of HRC supporters who were pissed that she lost in 2008. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #4
Never heard of that. Must have been a small group. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #6
Likely but i am not sure, but puma is now code for people who won't support the nominee. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #9
There are still sites out there spewing venom that were PUMA sites. Egnever Jun 2015 #26
Not true. See my response below. nt DURHAM D Jun 2015 #13
Interesting. i thought it was an anti-Obama thing. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #16
I think it morphed Egnever Jun 2015 #25
Originally it was "Party Unity My Ass" But there were about 5 people involved in it. leftofcool Jun 2015 #3
That is not very honest Egnever Jun 2015 #14
the people who use it hate Hillary Skittles Jun 2015 #5
So it's used as a putdown to Hillary supporters? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #8
Pretty much. leftofcool Jun 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jun 2015 #29
Two (related) things Scootaloo Jun 2015 #7
I don't agree with Wikipedia on this one Gman Jun 2015 #28
As hrmjustin said gratuitous Jun 2015 #10
Hmmm--maybe started by a lame ass Rove wannabe? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #15
No Egnever Jun 2015 #21
Party United My Ass DURHAM D Jun 2015 #11
Also missleading Egnever Jun 2015 #18
It was directed at the Party. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #19
So was the woman screaming this Egnever Jun 2015 #22
I think she was saying No Donna! No Donna! nt DURHAM D Jun 2015 #23
Well done! Egnever Jun 2015 #24
I always thought it stood for Petty Unintelligent Minions of McCain. herding cats Jun 2015 #17
This shit just cracks me up. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #20
My bottom line is I will support the nominee and will never trash Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #27
@ the convention AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #30
Chucky Toad.....sigh irisblue Jun 2015 #31
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
4. It was a group of HRC supporters who were pissed that she lost in 2008.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

They refused to support Obama.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
26. There are still sites out there spewing venom that were PUMA sites.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.hillaryis44.org/

That one has a post from yesterday with a nice pic of Obama showing the hate some of these people still carry from that primary.

It wasn't a small thing..

Search PUMA 2008 and you will find plenty of articles on the PUMA crowd.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
3. Originally it was "Party Unity My Ass" But there were about 5 people involved in it.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jun 2015

It was more of a legend than something real. They did have a web site which lasted all of about 5 months.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
14. That is not very honest
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jun 2015

Considering James Carville was sporting Pumas at the Dem convention. I doubt he would have done that for a 5 person legend...

Just saying..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/27/carville-wears-pumas-off_n_121782.html

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #8)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. Two (related) things
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:22 PM
Jun 2015

"Officially" it stands for "People United Means Action,' a PAC formed in 2008 in protest of barack obama being nominated by the Democratic party instead of Hillary clinton.

Colliquially it means "Party unity, my ass," signifying the outlook of those involved that "HER TURN!" was more important than the votes and support of Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_United_Means_Action

Gman

(24,780 posts)
28. I don't agree with Wikipedia on this one
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jun 2015

I started hearing it immediately after Obama clinched the nomination in 08. The PAC likely changed the acronym to make it get approved. It did NOT precede Party Unity My Ass.

Can't believe somebody took credit like that. They probably edited the wiki entry.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. As hrmjustin said
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jun 2015

It was supposed to be a response by disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters in 2008, and for some reason they seemed to think that another female candidate on a major party ticket was just as good as another. This was the giveaway, of course, as the PUMA folks tried to drum up crossover Democratic support for McCain-Palin. Somehow these alleged Democrats weren't counting on the fact that every other Democratic voter could discern the difference between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin.

Sort of like the difference between a single malt scotch and a butterscotch button candy.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
21. No
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jun 2015

It was a thing.

The race was pretty tight between Obama and Hillary in the primaries. And there were problems with two states primary voting. They moved their primaries ahead of the official dem party schedule and in response the Dem party decided their primary votes would not count. In response the candidates pledged not to campaign in Florida. Clinton came pretty close to violating the pledge if not outright doing so.

Had she been given the full votes of Florida as opposed to the half she ended up getting it would have made the race much closer and possibly within reach of her winning.

There was a lot of anger over that and a feeling from many Clinton supporters that she was being cheated. Thus PUMA was born. Some of the stuff they heaped on Obama was really nasty and I am quite sure Hillary does not look back on those actions from her "supporters" fondly.

I have no doubt there were republicans involved fueling those flames but it was certainly not republican driven. We had quite a few self proclaimed PUMAs here at the time.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
11. Party United My Ass
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:24 PM
Jun 2015

On May 31, 2008 at a meeting of the Rules and ByLaws committee of the DNC in DC they changed their own rules and it pissed off a lot of people. Think Donna Brazille.

It was anger at the Democratic Party, not Barack Obama, although pretty much everyone will tell you it was directed at Obama. It was not. On that day the Democratic power brokers acted more like Republicans than Democrats.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
18. Also missleading
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jun 2015
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/the-dnc-deliberates/

"Supporters of Mrs. Clinton jeered the decision, loudly booing and hissing the members of the group as their faces were shown on a large screen in the room.

One woman, wearing a blue “Team Hillary” shirt, shoved a man in a suit and tie with a small Obama button on his lapel. Another woman in a white Clinton shirt hung her head in her hands.

“That was a crime!” a man shouted. “McCain in 08! McCain in 08!” a woman yelled from the back of the room. “No-bama! No-bama!”


There was certainly anger over the decision but to claim the anger was directed at the democratic party and not Obama is a bit disingenuous.

It was not a proud moment for Hillary supporters.

I don't think it has any relevance to her candidacy other than people trying to claim Bernie supporters are bitter and Hillary supporters aren't.

Fortunately I like both Hillary and Bernie so this infighting just looks silly to me. Last two go arounds I was pretty partisan myself. It has been somewhat refreshing for me this time to not have to argue over the candidates.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
17. I always thought it stood for Petty Unintelligent Minions of McCain.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jun 2015

Since I was told it was a RNC ploy to divide Democrats that didn't work.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
20. This shit just cracks me up.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 09:42 PM
Jun 2015

I was an Obama supporter from before he ever announced. I voted for Blagojevich for no other reason than he was a Democrat and would appoint Obama's successor. Had there been no Obama, I would have supported Hillary, but there was an Obama.

And now they want to label me a PUMA. It's just so fucking ridiculous!

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
27. My bottom line is I will support the nominee and will never trash
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

another Democrat (except Joe Lieberman), so PUMA does not apply to me.

Thanks for the responses everyone!

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