How did she tell the difference?

Hillary does always seem to be a thousand miles away. Some might think the mechanical sound from the shiny box was her being there in person.




Sorry, but turnabout is fair play.

...he's always in Iowa or New Hampshire...it's like the rest of the country didn't count.

How terrible that someone running in a election would campaign in those states where the election will be held first.


There really should not be a double standard here. If it is bad for Bernie to do it then it is bad for Hillary to do it.



And I was obviously referring to how olaf HRC can seem at times. You really can't feel that way about Bernie, nobody can.

....since Clinton wasn't aloof the last time she ran, and is moving into the public phase of her campaign now.

That said, you can't have it both ways. Either Bernie is up close in personal, or he's getting large crowds where he can't be up close and personal.

and see how it suits only one of them.

I don't know what made you think I wanted things both ways? What did I say to give that impression?



(p.s. posting using my phone atm, so sorry abour misspellings... etc)

As weird as that makes me feel.

Comparing a live event to people watching a TV just is not valid.

I agree--Bernie had a live event. Hillary had a viewing party where she made an announcement.

Although seven is a pretty small number, I think there is something else going on that is reflected in this story.

Hillary Clinton is nowhere to be found in Iowa. She's been meeting with loyalists in closed-door meetings that are often not reported by the media--because the media are not allowed in. And if they are allowed in, it's just a select few.

Meanwhile, Bernie is giving big speeches, talking with people, answering questions, explaining his views.

I think there is a very major disparity in the way these two candidates are campaigning.

I'd also like to remind people that Hillary did not play well in Iowa in the 2008 caucuses, when she came in a distant third (Obama won; Edwards came in second). Iowans rejected her because she came off as distant, impersonal, canned and corporate.

I just find it a bit odd--that she continues to campaign in a fashion that is pretty much shoving Progressives (and many Democrats) right into the arms of Bernie Sanders.

It's worth noting.

I like Bernie. I liked Obama and Edwards. It may be the warmth and humanness of the candidates I like. I don't live in Iowa now, but I lived there as a child.

that have been showing up lately.

Fascinating.

However, 700 people at a small event in IA could
be a good sign. It may mean that he gets at last
a bit of name recognition.

HRC dominates early polling, fundraising, media expectations...

Yet when coverage of her blinks to Sanders or other candidates, they are suddenly sharing the same media views, the other candidates will get a piece of those media views.

Because these views are little more than image bits, substance takes its historic back seat to impressions. Scandals and stumbles not withstanding, the impression will be that they all look credible in the images. The lesser knowns will benefit...if the intangibles in the sound bites are good. Appearance, tenor of voice, demeanor...apparent responsiveness vs unrepsonsiveness, defensiveness vs affability, etc will be as important as the content of a candidate's message.

There will likely be stumbles, probably sooner than later, and over the long haul a scandal or two. How the media moments play these out, "Arrrrrrrgggghhhhhh!", will ultimately put the price tag on such costly image moments. I expect the campaigns will avoid the laser-scanner problem of Bush pere, but there will likely be some comments that play as clunkers.

How will the editing go? Will all the images be juxtaposed fairly? Probably not. And I wouldn't expect social media to be any more fair when those images are picked up and shared.

She will be in Iowa full time covering the race and that will require balancing time between the candidates. Bernie is going to be there week in and week out talking to the media, having public forums and "yoooooge" public rallies.

Hillary is going to be having smaller meetups with selected people and her town hall meetings will likely be much more scripted and limited in terms of the questioning from the media and the public. If she isn't in the state at the same time as Bernie your reporter will be forced to cover things like TV watch parties like the one she described to your husband.

As this goes on into the fall it seems to me it will set up quite a contrast in the minds of caucus going Democrats.

Bernie Sanders could win in Iowa. Hillary's events thus far have been small, with just a few supporters. Closed-door events. There's barely any news about her here.

Bernie is getting lots of airplay. People are going to these rallies. He's answering questions and being open, social, gregarious and his message is resonating with Iowans.

In 2008, Hillary sauntered on into Iowa, thinking that she would win. She came in third. No one could have predicted that Obama would have won the Iowa caucuses. He won all 99 counties. This state is 98 percent white. However, we have a very strong, active Progressive contingent. We are not afraid to vote outside of the box. We don't like to vote for inevitable candidates. We like to make up our own minds.

We take our "first in the nation" status VERY seriously. We are humbled that we are entrusted to vote first. So we attend speeches, we demand to talk with these candidates and we get in their faces and ask them tough questions. It's a sport for us!

I have to say, I'm quite surprised at Hillary's cold, closed-off campaign, thus far. Maybe it will heat up. But, she has a load of ground to make up in Iowa. We rejected her in 2008. Her campaign was canned, corporate and scripted. She was caught planting questioners in her audiences with her own staffers. After she lost the Iowa caucuses in 2008, she criticized our process and was very verbal about how she believes our caucus system was flawed.

In short, she insulted us after she came in third. So, I don't get the continued small events with "select" Democrats, and no questions from reporters.

Meanwhile, Sanders is out there talking with hundreds of people and many are showing up to his rallies. He's winning votes.

This will be interesting, that's for sure.

to forget her actions in 08. We will need to see how she handles this now that she is actually campaigning. So far canned is a good word for it.

every 4 years with these elections and they start earlier every presidential cycle. Thank you for putting up with this craziness

We get to meet all of the candidates and ask them questions. We also have fun at political events.

Lots of reporters around, and that is so interesting.

My husband said that he invited the CNN reporter and her producer to our home for dinner, while they are here. So…that may be happening. It's all so fun. But we take it seriously!

I feel lucky to live in a state that conducts their caucuses as our state does. Each voting precinct meets in a public space (each county has many precincts--dozens to hundreds, depending on the population in that area). My precinct has hundreds of people. Last time 300 of us met at a local library (some precincts have thousands of people; some have only a few people who meet in living rooms to vote!). We divide ourself into "camps"--according to the candidate we support. People then give speeches--about why they support the candidate they do. Anyone can speak. We try to convince others to vote for our candidate and lay out their ideas/policies. It's very lively, fun and sometimes candidates themselves show up. People shift between camps, until the end when final votes are counted by a show of hands. Counts are double, triple checked and a final count is called in to the County Precinct by a group of people--to ensure accuracy and fairness.

This is done all across Iowa. It's truly democracy in action.

would make Bernie feel very comfortable.

It probably is not so comfortable for Hillary who just is a more corporate and not as used to just answering all kinds of wild questions from an audience as Bernie is.

Interesting. I wish we had more contact with the candidates in California, but we are just to populous. We really get left out of the primary process to a great extent.

but the onslaught of the GOP clown car of the past few elections would drive me crazy. I switch to public radio for my alarm clock just to avoid campaign ads. Since I normally listen to Philadelphia stations but here in Delaware - just don't want to hear them.

But I guess if you have lived amongst what happens in Iowa for awhile you see things in a different light.

caucuses and they are very similar but are followed up with a primary vote later in the year. Democracy in action is so right.

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I doubt if CNN will report that Bernie got 700 people and Hillary 8. They just won't report the numbers I'll bet. I hope they do but I haven't heard a single peep about attendance in Iowa for either candidate.

As I think it is really cool. But there were three watch parties today for Hillary within ten miles of me. Most in private homes with food served by the host. I'm in Florida. It might still be up on her website if you want to see how many were near you. I was shocked at the number of people hosting watch parties in my area alone.

700 is an excellent crowd for this point in the primaries. I went to a Gore event in the General and there were only a couple hundred people there. Sanders start has been impressive.

…but the word is that they were poorly attended. A CNN reporter showed up to a house party in Marshalltown and found 6 people and described the scene as "pitiful."

With that said, I do think that smaller numbers are expected at campaign events such as these.

But I also believe that engaging in this kind of "small potatoes" campaign events may reveal that Hillary does not have a large, enthusiastic base at this point. She appears to be attempting to grow her support from these small events, hoping that they will blossom into even more support--leading up to large, well-attended rallies.

I think it's interesting. And it makes sense. She had a poor showing here in Iowa in 2008--coming in third when she began her campaign as the inevitable candidate. She's trying to grow a strong foundation of support.

One can't help but notice that she's attempting to grow support--when Bernie Sanders all ready has big rallies that are attended by hundreds of people.

This may be one of the CNN reporters with whom my husband spoke. I am not sure. However, this story came out today--and these are the Iowa locations and exact sentiments that the female CNN reporter shared with my husband.

From the article (Link Below for further reading):
"Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s rally in New York Saturday could only bring out six people, which included a staffer, to an Iowa watch party in the town of Marshalltown, CNN reporter Jeff Zeleny described. Clinton is expected in Iowa on Monday.

Zeleny wondered if Clinton’s remarks could fire up her base further, while CNN anchor Fredricka Whitfield described the watch party as “pitiful” looking.

Clinton reiterated to supporters at her campaign re-launch rally on Roosevelt Island in New York City that she was targeting the Supreme Court’s Citizens United Decision, among other issues.

(more)

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/13/cnn-describes-hillary-clinton-iowa-watch-party-as-pitiful-video/#ixzz3d0rgcyZi

can't take over $2 billion dollars from Corporations and claim you are trying to 'get the money out of politics'. IF you mean that as a high profile candidate, you could make it a huge issue, and CHALLENGE the Republicans to do the same. Think of the mileage you would get from joining Benrie and constantly talking about the corrosive influence of money in Politics. The Republicans would be furious, they would have a hard time responding to the FACTS and would most likely lose.

But to say you are going to 'fight' something when you are participating in it doesn't make sense.

But, I don't think it means anything that only 8 people showed up to what is essentially a house party. Who knows maybe they only invited relatives and furthermore maybe they only invited their relatives that are Democrats.

Every story, every person's interpretation is interesting.

Appreciate your post.

Good discussion...

seems like grasping for any visible straw

to make a difference in support for the candidate.

I have yet to settle on a candidate - but I sure can see a difference in the candidates supporters here

something wrong with pointing that out? That is how Hillary got into trouble in Iowa in 2008.

As to the supporters - yes there is a real fight going on here at DU. I have about 15 Hillary supporters on ignore because of personal attacks. It is happening on both sides.

major rallies is just daft and silly. It is equally as daft and silly as it would be to say Hillary's rally this week had at least 5,000 but Bernie has dropped below a thousand.