her story and experience and message are compelling enough. I am convinced she can win.

The content of it however is very telling. Middle of the road, status quo, "compromise".

Economically it was very populist. Hit a lot of the same notes that Bernie has been sounding.

Based on many of the points she raised, many she reiterated for decades....no huge policy differences. Much clearer on economics and delineated 4 specific steps for national betterment. Sanders tends to go on and on about all of the problems and inequalities. Riling up futile anger...but I dont tend to hear realistic workable improvements.

Just FYI. It's the cousin to "radical".

The more lefty the policy, the more nuttery crappola the RW throws at it . You do everyone a disservice when you attempt to reinterpret that which was not said.

Funny that.

So you are incorrect.

I have no idea how that fits not this conversation. But going with your new thought.....Indies have no track to the White House except as riding the coat tails of another party. Hence Bernie running on the Dem Ticket. No spoilers remember? Indies are a voting block, just like women and pic and unions..... but not a viable 3rd party

I thought she was very good. Obviously I'm talking about style and not content. She was relaxed and engaged and seemed to be having fun. She's gotten a lot better at giving speeches over the past 7 years.

I still don't trust her.

why doesn't she try news conferences with questions from reporters to see if that is where she excels?

And you will get your answer. If she's pressed on an issue that she feels she has adequately addressed, she loses her cool.

remember, this is really, really early in the campaign.

But I don't make decisions as important as who to support for the Presidency on delivering a speech

I've been told that when I get wound up I'm a pretty good speechifier

I'm almost certain I could have given a better speech than that monstrosity.

She's supposed to rally people, not make them think "hey, maybe the right-wing is on to something" insomuch as she's pretty shrill as a speaker.

The democratic party is doing a huge disservice to itself if it nominates her....

Unfortunate.

All the time-- low pitch for public speaking.

Five hundred miles."

There are the shrill speakers

She reminded me of a teacher talking to a classroom of third graders with hearing disabilities.

She got better and better as the speech went on and by the end I was happy with it.

Could have picked a more recent song than "Yesterday" to show the Republicans were the past and she was the future.

Are you talking about a single post on du from a brand new member whose handle will likely be nameremoved soon? Is that the meme you are talking about?

And I say it was a meme.

But so many recs... SO MANY RECS!

Recs make you a somebody!

A few months ago someone here said, ominously, they were keeping track of who rec'd what threads, which made me laugh. Pointless and inaccurate McCarthyism stuff.

Who voted which way in polls, etc. Admittedly, unrec went away (still sad about that!) but every action a DUer took was on someone's list somewhere.

makin' a list
checkin' it TWICE
gonna find out
who's naughty or nice

People self select into the groupings that the old style lists would show anyway.

On the Democratic side. I think we've all gotten too used to Obama's speech mastery that we forgot what normal speech delivery is.

the negative criticism and downright hatred will ensue. Recently a gentle person posted that supporters of HRC should expect this . . . keep moving forward.

You're promoting a candidate who holds major policies that directly contradict the express will of the actual people who make up the party, who won't take questions about that expectations gap (or any other subject), and who gives an strong appearance of using prior office as a means to personal enrichment while leaving no tangible gains for the people she had a duty to serve.

Previous answers to these questions have included citations of poll numbers, claims of electability and/or inevitability, attacks on detractors, and straight-up false claims. So it shouldn't be unexpected that people in general are not going to be receptive to more such disrespect from a candidate who is asking for their vote. That the candidate is visibly traumatized by the prospect of actually appearing in person and interacting with the great unwashed plebes like ourselves is not helping the case any.

It is only the socialists who don't like her policies. The majority of Democrats support her which is evident by her poll numbers.

We have a good list of policies where she plainly does not have the support of the party, which include trade, foreign policy, economic, and criminal justice issues - big ones, important ones. I do not consider myself a socialist, yet I don't like her policies in those areas either and for many of the same reasons as socialists have.

And yet you cite to me a poll (which as I mentioned before, is an inadequate and unconvincing piece of data) and directly claim otherwise.

So yes, as long as this typifies the kind of interaction and communication from the campaign, strong skepticism is absolutely what should be expected.

Ithink it was a good speech. everybody has his/her own way of expressing

I could do without the attack on Senator Sanders but elections are about choices and it's not as if Secretary Of State Clinton will running against a charismatic opponent.

I saw that one yesterday.

Once she starts talking about content then that opens the door to discussing her actual record on a specific policy, at which point the scripted narrative unravels and all hell breaks loose.

Thus the "no questions allowed" press policy.

Say, a web site. With her name on it. That doesn't get any deeper than the platitudes from her speech.

Well, she's only been planning to do this for at least 9 years now. It takes some time to develop deeply-held core principles.

what kind of tech do you think is available these days? That's crazy talk, like having 2 email accounts on one handheld device.

I think she's a terrible speaker. Monotonous in tone, and coming across as reading her speech, rather than speaking to the audience. Your mileage may very, and I'm certain that it does.

The Bernie supporters think Bernie's vastly superior stances on the issues warrant their votes. The poor speaking skills are merely noteworthy, and were mentioned years before Bernie entered the race.

Not a Hillary fan at all, but her not being the greatest public speaker is of little concern to me. I really don't care how well or not a candidate can deliver a speech. That matters little to me.

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