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hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:05 AM Jun 2015

Why would you follow a weather vane?

It just shows you where the wind is coming from, spinning as the winds change. It won't help you escape the path of a storm.

When you need to know what direction to move, you need a compass. A pointer that is rock steady in where it aims without regard to the winds. A thing that has always pointed that direction. An instrument that can help you find your bearings and help you find a path to your goals.


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Why would you follow a weather vane? (Original Post) hootinholler Jun 2015 OP
Very good. pangaia Jun 2015 #1
You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows. n/t Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #5
Because it warns you of immediate risks Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #2
The problem with that, as applied to today's politics, is that you don't know if the change in djean111 Jun 2015 #3
I guess so hootinholler Jun 2015 #4
See? It IS useful. n/t Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #12
I never said it wasn't useful hootinholler Jun 2015 #13
It depends which hill you are willing to die for DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #6
I'm not sure you understand that each hill requires a vane hootinholler Jun 2015 #10
I have certain core convictions. They are non-negotiable. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #11
Hey madokie Jun 2015 #23
I'm getting a little tired of you Anti-weather-vane people spouting your hate. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #7
You just wait until the lightning rod comes along hootinholler Jun 2015 #8
Well there goes all those "weather vane" jobs. L0oniX Jun 2015 #9
A compass tells you nothing about current conditions, only which way is nsew uppityperson Jun 2015 #14
here ya go AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #15
That is classic. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #16
Oh my hootinholler Jun 2015 #17
So true n/t Flying Squirrel Jun 2015 #18
Perfect. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #20
I bet those would sell well Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #21
"It is time that we steered by the stars, not by the lights of each passing ship." JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #19
Very true madokie Jun 2015 #22

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
2. Because it warns you of immediate risks
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jun 2015

and for many people that's about as much planning as they can accommodate in their lives.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. The problem with that, as applied to today's politics, is that you don't know if the change in
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jun 2015

direction is because of a risk, or because there is a risk of losing votes or antagonizing big money backers.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. It depends which hill you are willing to die for
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

Some hills I am willing to die for

-Marriage equality and adding glbtq citizens to the landmark civil rights legislation of the 60s including freedom from not being discriminated against in the workplace, housing and accommodations

-Providing a path to citizenship for all undocumented workers and their families

-Access to health care independent of ability to pay.

-A livable wage

-Paid leave

-Criminal justice reform

-reproductive rights

Stopping a trade agreement that I haven't seen isn't a hill I would die for.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
10. I'm not sure you understand that each hill requires a vane
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

Plant a weather vane on each hill. Where did it point when?

Now plant a compass on each hill. I don't have to ask where it pointed, I know where it was pointing the whole time.

There are really only two places a compass fails naturally on the earth: The Magnetic Poles where any direction is North or South. Any error elsewhere on earth is from some outside influence.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
11. I have certain core convictions. They are non-negotiable.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

I have certain core convictions. They are non-negotiable. On some other issues I am more flexible. There are times I am willing to sail against the wind and times that I don't believe it's worth the effort...


 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
7. I'm getting a little tired of you Anti-weather-vane people spouting your hate.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jun 2015

They were fine many years ago when this country was being built but as soon as your fancy-dancy campass things (or whatever you call them) were invented it's "The vanes aren't good enough for us".
You people make me sick.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
8. You just wait until the lightning rod comes along
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

Then you'll see the error of your ways.

You'll be sorry then I guarandamntee it

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
14. A compass tells you nothing about current conditions, only which way is nsew
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jun 2015

Compasses are useful for navigating, but having a map is also useful. Limitations of compasses as they tell you nothing about the conditions.

A weathervane tells you which way the wind is blowing and if the storm is blowing, then it tells you which direction from you it is. Weathervanes are also useful for things like landing airplanes. i wouldn't use a weathervane to travel cross country in the mountains, but they are good at telling you where the storm is.

To escape a storm you need to know where it is (weathervane) and make sure once you run away that you continue in the right direction (compass)

I am sure you meant this broadly politically, but no. A compass only tells you a direction, not what is happening in that direction. A weathervane tells you where the winds are coming from. It is good to have both as they do different things.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
22. Very true
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

The man has been a rock solid compass since day one. He doesn't have to change much either as he's been on the right path mostly the whole time. I like it when a person realizes they're wrong and do all they can to get back on track. I have to make corrections as I learn new tricks from time to time

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