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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSnowden files 'read by Russia and China': five questions for UK government
3. Why have these claims emerged now?
Most the allegations have been made before in some form, only to fall apart when scrutinised. These include that Snowden was a Chinese spy and, when he ended up in Moscow, that he was a Russian spy or at least cooperating with them. The US claimed 56 plots had been disrupted as a result of surveillance but, after being pressed, acknowledged this was untrue.
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The claim about agents being moved was first made 18 months ago in the UK, along with allegations that Snowden had helped terrorists evade surveillance and, as a result, he had blood on his hands. Both the US and UK have since acknowledged no one has been harmed.
So why now? One explanation is that it is partly in response to Thursdays publication of David Andersons 373-page report into surveillance. The QC was asked by David Cameron to provide an independent review and there is much in it for the government and intelligence services to like, primarily about retaining bulk data collection. But Anderson is scathing about the existing legal framework for surveillance, describing it as intolerable and undemocratic, and has proposed approval for surveillance warrants be transferred from the foreign and home secretaries to the judiciary.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/snowden-files-read-by-russia-and-china-five-questions-for-uk-government
The guardian takes down the latest snowden bullshit. Read the whole thing.
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Snowden files 'read by Russia and China': five questions for UK government (Original Post)
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2015
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think
(11,641 posts)1. k&R /nt
Aerows
(39,961 posts)2. It's because of this:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/hack-of-opm-reportedly-exposed-second-set-of-much-more-sensitive-data/
They are inventing a narrative that it isn't their own damn fault all of this information was hacked.
Many more links in a post I made here to give a sense of the scope of how badly the DHS and NSA fucked up. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026833995
The announcement of a second suspected breach follows revelations that the hack could involve as many as 14 million current and former government workers. The higher total, more than triple the 4 million originally cited by the personnel office, comes from a lawmaker briefed on the investigation who asked not to be identified discussing classified information.
Government background investigations can include sensitive information about individuals arrest records and personal lives. People seeking security clearances must provide information such as bankruptcy filings and substance-abuse history.
The possibility of a second breach was shared by U.S. investigators with relevant federal agencies on June 8, according to the White House. The intrusion into the personnel agency data was first revealed publicly on June 4.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said on Friday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continues to work to determine the scope of the intrusion and the identify of the hackers. He declined to confirm reports that the Chinese government initiated the attacks.
Government background investigations can include sensitive information about individuals arrest records and personal lives. People seeking security clearances must provide information such as bankruptcy filings and substance-abuse history.
The possibility of a second breach was shared by U.S. investigators with relevant federal agencies on June 8, according to the White House. The intrusion into the personnel agency data was first revealed publicly on June 4.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said on Friday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continues to work to determine the scope of the intrusion and the identify of the hackers. He declined to confirm reports that the Chinese government initiated the attacks.
They are inventing a narrative that it isn't their own damn fault all of this information was hacked.
Many more links in a post I made here to give a sense of the scope of how badly the DHS and NSA fucked up. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026833995
marmar
(77,081 posts)3. "3. Why have these claims emerged now? "
Right after the court victory against NSA surveillance that vindicated Snowden.
Things that make you go, "Hmmm"?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)4. Not to mention
their own egregious incompetence in securing the highly sensitive information on every single person that has applied for security clearance.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/why-the-biggest-government-hack-ever-got-past-opm-dhs-and-nsa/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/hack-of-opm-reportedly-exposed-second-set-of-much-more-sensitive-data/
Look over there - don't notice how badly we've fucked up!
malaise
(269,012 posts)7. You win the thread
Ding ding!
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)5. Kick for this antidote to bullshit. n/t
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)6. Can we have a stop to the "OMG Snowden Traitor!!111!!" OPs now?
DU folk should be smarter than these cheesy ass-covering PR moves.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)8. Nope. Nor will we see any retractions.
They can't handle the truth.