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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:52 PM Jun 2015

Bernie takes Hillary to task for having no position on some issues and the wrong position on others

from the Rutland Herald:


Sanders throws more barbs at Clinton

“I voted against the war in Iraq, and I think history will absolutely record that as being the right vote; Secretary Clinton voted for it,” Sanders said (in Iowa Saturday, the day of Hillary's campaign kickoff).

He hailed the U.S. House’s rejection Friday of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal and faulted Clinton for not taking a clear position, saying “You can be for it, you can be against it, but I don’t understand how you can have no opinion on this issue, and sadly, that is the secretary’s position...”

“I happen to believe and agree with the scientific community that climate change is the great planetary environmental crisis that we face. I helped lead the effort against the Keystone pipeline,” he said. “Secretary Clinton did not have an opinion on that...”

“Not because I don’t believe that terrorism is a serious threat to this country, it is, but I believe that we can combat terrorist attacks against this country in ways that do not undermine the Constitution or the privacy rights of the American people,” he said. “Secretary Clinton voted on the other side of that issue,” he said.

“I believe in running intelligent, issue-oriented campaigns which respect the voters. You cannot imagine, every day I’m being asked to attack Hillary Clinton. That’s right. Literally, people get angry because I don’t attack her. And I’m not going to,” Sanders said.


read: http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20150614/NEWS03/706149935/0/events01

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Bernie takes Hillary to task for having no position on some issues and the wrong position on others (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2015 OP
Landing body blows at an opponent hoping to win on points with jabs. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #1
He is taking issue with her positions (or having no position at all) on important subjects' pennylane100 Jun 2015 #6
There need not be personal animus for one competitor to dominate another. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #20
Team Clinton is playing not to lose.. frylock Jun 2015 #22
I don't see a problem with Bernie outlining his perceived differences with Hillary. leftofcool Jun 2015 #2
What do the Socialist say? curious n/t OKNancy Jun 2015 #4
I knew you were going to ask........... leftofcool Jun 2015 #7
Socialistghazi, from Democrats. merrily Jun 2015 #10
Barbs, my ass.Pointing out policy differences is legit. His interviewers question him about Hillary merrily Jun 2015 #3
Bernie would like the next president of the United States to be against the MIC and wall street, and Doctor_J Jun 2015 #8
This is about the media falsely portraying him as attacking Hillary. It's bullshit. merrily Jun 2015 #9
Of course it's bullshit. Big media will be horrified if anyone but Clinton gets nominated Doctor_J Jun 2015 #12
Get over it. This is not going to be sitting down and having tea and cookies with the opponent. L0oniX Jun 2015 #5
I don't really care that he plays the political campaign game... It should have been expected Sheepshank Jun 2015 #11
Baloney. See Replies 3 and 9. merrily Jun 2015 #14
Hee hee..... Cog dis at its finest. Nt Sheepshank Jun 2015 #16
Don't flatter yourself. Your cognitive dissonance wasn't all that fine. merrily Jun 2015 #17
Do try to be more original with your responses. Lol Sheepshank Jun 2015 #18
As opposed to the original, witty,"Tee hee?" Ok. merrily Jun 2015 #19
edit: rude heading bigtree Jun 2015 #13
I have no problem with a full on attack. The "get over it" is in ref to the play nice gang. L0oniX Jun 2015 #15
if Bernie's campaign pointed that out, wouldn't it be an 'attack' on Hillary? bigtree Jun 2015 #24
Any and every political campaign kicks up the mud. To exect it to not be that way is IMO naive. L0oniX Jun 2015 #27
Bernie is going to take this one to the bank madokie Jun 2015 #21
I think that what Bernie means is he will not be running the 3:00 a.m. Phone call shite! Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #23
K&R Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #25
"I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell." AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #26

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
6. He is taking issue with her positions (or having no position at all) on important subjects'
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jun 2015

He also states his positions on those same subjects.. That is what politicians are supposed to do. He made no personal attacks. Hardly a description of a boxing match.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
20. There need not be personal animus for one competitor to dominate another.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jun 2015

The fact is Hillary is trying to win by doing nothing controversial or risky. She is taking the race for granted. That's not leadership, that's entitlement.

Sanders and the other candidates have to compete. That inherently makes them stronger.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. I don't see a problem with Bernie outlining his perceived differences with Hillary.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jun 2015

However, anytime I see Bernie Sanders talking about any of the above, I usually amble over to the SW to see what they really think about it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Barbs, my ass.Pointing out policy differences is legit. His interviewers question him about Hillary
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jun 2015

constantly, rather than just asking him about his own positions. Then, they pretend he brought her up.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
8. Bernie would like the next president of the United States to be against the MIC and wall street, and
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jun 2015

in favor of working people and the environment.

Shame on him!!!!

rec

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. This is about the media falsely portraying him as attacking Hillary. It's bullshit.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jun 2015

He has yet to do that once.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. Of course it's bullshit. Big media will be horrified if anyone but Clinton gets nominated
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jun 2015

Their entire narrative will have been for nothing, and, even worse for them, they will have been shown to be failures at getting what they want.

The next time any Big Media prints anything positive about Sanders' platform or campaign or ideas or ideology will be the first.

the good news is that they want Hillary to be president very, very badly. So while Bernie and O'Malley won't be president, neither will anyone from the clown car. The bad news is that Clinton and the Republican congress will continue dismantling everything that made the party and the country great for more than 6 decades.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
11. I don't really care that he plays the political campaign game... It should have been expected
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

...it's just that he had originally said he would be touting his own positions and leaving other candidates out of it. So let's be clear he is a politician first and all that campaigning nobility has sort of flown out of the window. Good to know he's getting real

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
18. Do try to be more original with your responses. Lol
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jun 2015

You Show up quite frequently after my posts, and consistently try and repost my words with what you think is a clever twist. Fail.

I get that you adore Bernie. I don't. Get over it.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
13. edit: rude heading
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

...I don't have any problem with his criticisms at all.

I do think he's a bit misleading on stating he's not going to 'attack' his rivals . That's going to be the only way he's going to define his own positions apart from theirs. Campaigns aren't playing tiddlywinks; they're waging political warfare with some of the largest egos in the nation competing against each other for a daunting position of political power. Saying he's not 'attacking' doesn't make it so (I suppose if he said 'personal' attacks, he might be on firmer ground, but he's even strayed into that territory, saying the Clintons are 'hustling' money and they couldn't possibly care about hungry children).

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
15. I have no problem with a full on attack. The "get over it" is in ref to the play nice gang.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jun 2015

All one should do is remember how Hillary handled her last campaign against Obama. Think she won't take the same route this time?

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
24. if Bernie's campaign pointed that out, wouldn't it be an 'attack' on Hillary?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

...one thing I'm almost certain of in this presidential election, Bernie won't get a foot in the WH without kicking up some mud.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
27. Any and every political campaign kicks up the mud. To exect it to not be that way is IMO naive.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:14 PM
Jun 2015

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
23. I think that what Bernie means is he will not be running the 3:00 a.m. Phone call shite!
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:51 PM
Jun 2015

There is a difference b/w that and pointing out you voted against something she voted for. It disingenuous to say they are the same.
I still want to know how many are ok with Wall Street bank crimes on a massive scale and no prosecutions. Hillary will be like Obama on that front, maybe worse. Is it just because she is a woman, the favorite, what?

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