Evidently, it's in the print edition.

You are welcome. Just can't believe how many were just so damn happy to believe this obvious bullshit. I don't care what you think about anyone. This was obvious crap.

The Corprorate Media lost all credibility when they helped lie this country into war, not that they had much to begin with. Fortunately people now have so many other sources of news, their viewership isn't that significant anymore. Too bad, they bought the media to make sure we didn't facts when they were inconvenient, right at the point when the new media was taking off. Guess they're not as smart as they thought they were.

Look at this instance alone. One paper lies and many more pick up the lie. None have any proof and in fact, one that has an actual quote, says that they can't verify that it's true. But they still call Snowden names for shits and giggles.

The truth being; Snowden did a heroic and courageous thing, it has caused the knowledge of illegal spying, it has caused that illegal spying to (supposedly) stop, the illegal spying was benefiting corporations (thank you Jeremy Hammond and others, the US has not been able to protect it's government secrets from being hacked since before Snowden and for now years after.

But the corporate media attacks their enemy. The enemy of the State. But a hero to the people. And the people buy the corporate lies

what's coming down that they need to push this one more time. What's the cover up coming down the pike that they drag out another Snowden accusation. And, they're desperate-- to use a Murdoch source.

I would rec this if I could.

This interview Greenwald could be quoting you

They didn't print a correction ? Really?

and instead are just being a mouthpiece for the government you can, I guess.

Maybe they can there. I don't know

as botched as the security state failures it was intended to distract from.

Well said!

from the very beginning. Snowden didn't have the documents post-Hong Kong so any hack couldn't have been done to him, the very few people who DID have copies of the documents have given no indicatation they have been hacked, and a Guardian employee who has actually spent a year going over the documents says that he has not seen any of the allegedly hacked information in the Snowden documents.

I wonder if there is something going on in England that accounts for Murdock's rag trying to trash whistle blowing/Snowden.

They just want to blame him for their and the US failing, badly, at keeping government secrets, secret.

US hacked 2x with really sensitive information. They're not going to admit they just keep failing

And no code would be the same as when Snowden left 2 years ago

in the context of them trying to cover their own incompetence and blame it on someone else.

after Snowden left the MIRA Hotel, when he was staying in the Russian Consulate, BEFORE he took the plane to Moscow.

There's no "post Hong Kong" involved, I don't think.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/report-snowden-stayed-at-russian-consulate-while-in-hong-kong/2013/08/26/8237cf9a-0e39-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html

Cameron and Co. sent Milliband packing and Labour is a laughingstock. It's what happens when the Wrong Man weasels his way to the top.

Who helped David Cameron and the Tories?

American political adviser Jim Messina is getting credit for leading conservative British Prime Minister David Cameron to an overwhelming, if surprising victory, but he said Friday that once he comes back to the United States, he's Hillary Clinton "all the time."

"I'm coming home tomorrow and it's whatever it will take to get Hillary (elected)," Messina said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/cameron-victory-stuns-the-world-441970243941

There's more:

David Cameron Threatening to Ban the Guardian Reporting

Guardian reporting on revelations from Edward Snowden is prompting threats of censorship.

Mike Masnick writes at TechDirt: “David Cameron Working To Stop UK Press From Publishing Anything More From Snowden Leaks"
http://politicaloutcast.com/2015/02/david-cameron-threatening-ban-guardian-reporting/

Poor Brits are stuck with this Tory Trash for another 5 years- plenty of time to complete the privitisation of the Royal Mail, with more help from Goldman Sachs

The Guardian is going after the Sunday Times
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/snowden-files-read-by-russia-and-china-five-questions-for-uk-government

on edit..as its own thread is what I meant.

And thank you!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026834451

I am waiting for an answer. So far, crickets

propaganda tactics like this frequently.

I just don't get it. I don't care how much I hated someone, I wouldn't blame them for other's failings.

Sounds more like a brain fart/editing error as opposed to a "total fabrication." Had David been coming from Moscow, in possession of those documents, he would have been arrested. This ain't a gotcha, this is just lousy editing oversight.

There's no excuse for poor editing, but we do see a lot of it these days. It's the "bloggy" nature of news, nowadays.

Since Sunday Times is behind a paywall, there's no way to check if they've made an editing notation in the interim, or not.

Here's the REUTERS coverage of the story, the reporting appears to be independent of that of the TIMES:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/14/uk-britain-security-idUKKBN0OT0XJ20150614

Nothing. It even says it won't confirm and then just bitches about Snowden. Of course he caused them damage. He has caused the illegal collection of data to be brought to light

report.

Don't get any spittle on the keyboard, now! Dial it back five notches! Really--your ire doesn't move me!

Technically, it's not "Murdoch's rag" anymore--he retired. But whatever.

One more time, since you missed my point:

SUNDAY TIMES is behind a paywall. I know you don't have a subscription, so there's no way you can go back there and see if they've added an editorial note. You know, a "correction" cite? Papers do this -- often, lately, because editors do not review material before it goes to press. And they often adjust the articles before they add that cite. Such is the nature of "I want it NOW" news.

Second, what "David" did--and where he came from, and, yes, of COURSE, it WAS--as widely reported all around the world-- Berlin, not Moscow (because if he'd been coming from Moscow with encrypted files, he would have been arrested) is not vital to the story. The important piece of the story is that Snowden's files got transferred to the Chinese and the Russians WHILE HE WAS IN HONG KONG. I speculate that that may have happened while he was staying at the RUSSIAN CONSULATE, well BEFORE he went to Moscow.

Further, I read a copy of the TIMES article, transcribed to another site, and sorry to disappoint you, the REUTERS piece does include independent material. In fact, everything under the Reuters sub-heading "Timing" is not included in the TIMES report. Of course they are building on the original report--so is every paper covering this story. It's bad form not to reference the original material. Only a plagiarist pretends that the work of another is their own.

It's not rocket science. It's closer to "hoofbeats--horses." But Greenwald is doing what a lot of people here do--seize on an inconsequential aspect in error, and invalidate the entire thesis. That's how the rightwing got Dan Rather, too.

How this will shake out? Who knows--too soon to tell. But "discussing" the topic by starting out with an accusation makes you look unserious, to put it kindly.

Even the US government admits that.

Did they swipe it from Greenwald? Poitras? And then labor for months to decrypt? Perhaps the Russians and Chinese did a joint decryption exercise! Why not? We do those kinds of things all the time.

Or did this material--and perhaps the decryption protocols-- somehow get "transferred" (freely given/stolen/extorted) during the days that Snowden was hiding out in the RUSSIAN CONSULATE in HONG KONG, after he left the MIRA Hotel?

You know, BEFORE he flew to Moscow...?

Like I say...hoofbeats/horses. Not zebras.

First, we don't even have confirmation that any of it is true.

If any of it is true, why would it take 2 years to "crack a code" they already had?

If there is truth to the hack, how is it possible that the same codes from two years ago, that the US knew Snowden had, not be changed immediately?

If we're going to lie about all these documents "David had" why do you know this and the US government doesn't? Why wasn't he arrested when detained?

The story makes no sense as far as Snowden is concerned. The fact they have already deleted part of the story should tip you off.

Why are you so bound and determined to blame Snowden and Greenwald when there has been absolutely no proof of any damage from the documents taken? Why are you not more concerned with the possibility that the US government has been hacked, yet again? It's not like they have not been hacked before. It's been going on since the 70s.


Snowden did the right and courageous thing. I wish we had more people like him that cared about calling out a government that us abusing its power

I will listen to you. No more conjecture.

There is no party on the left to have a line. On the other hand the defenders of the security state are busy parroting a fucking Murdoch Rag hit piece. The irony of asserting that the disorganized left is hewing to the party line is I am sure lost on you.

Put down the torch before you burn yourself...talk about irony!

"Party on the left" is not my term. Funny how you said that 'left' word TWICE....and I haven't said it even once.

Bias, much?

Forgive me for having a strong feeling that when someone runs off to Hong Kong (second trip, first one being when he lived in Japan) and goes and HIDES OUT in the Russian Consulate, then hightails it to Moscow, gets two residency permits in succession with the ease of Depardieu getting a Russian passport, and settles in to life in Russia, scolding from afar, that something isn't quite the full quid there. Hoofbeats/horses--not zebras.

If he doesn't want to be suspected of being a Russian asset, he shouldn't ACT like one.

Yes. Let's just post made up stuff about people all over the place


Btw, I would rather apologize for them than my government becoming a police state any day.

for the upper classes of this world.

Funny how so many rag publications are doing the bidding for the government in this area.

When Snowden blew the whistle on illegal spying, he put corporations at risk of losing their easiest targets

of corporative interests and security hysteria and extrajudicial ambitions...

How anyone is still happy to shoot the messenger is beyond me.

It sure is not any kind of democratic value I ever learned. Thank goodness

It's aristocratic values all over the place. Except there isn't a trace of nobility in sight this time.

would you mind telling me what is the meaning of the acronym eom, please?

By the way, thanks for the compliment.

You write very well

It means end of message. So you know there is nothing after the subject line.

It is about the money...always about the money.

Fascism is the merger of state and corporation and that has clearly happened...Snowden himself was working for a private contractor not the government...doing things that only the government should be doing.
We have privatized our government...but don't call it fascism.

It's all about, and always about, the money.

You are exactly right

Wake up, people!

Too many people here want to label Snowden and Greenwald as traitors instead of the heroes they are.

They prefer to live in a police state

Thanks!

One article, and then one after another parroting the same drivel. College 101 logic would let you see right through it.

Now let's see if the news services (er, copy shops) also delete the passage.

... is nothing more than a collection of liars for the corporations and the government. In the case of Snowden, they (certain gov't agencies) have been desperate from day one to discredit him, after all he pointed out what a lying bunch of incompetents they are, I'm sure they feel they have to do something, and fixing their own issues and acting honorably isn't going to happen, this is.

Remember the NSA's initial response to this? "50 terror attacks have been thwarted". then it was "20 terror attacks have been thwarted". Then it was crickets.

All of this vaunted surveillance couldn't even catch the real terrorists, aka the Boston Bomber. When along with it they had TWO warnings from a foreign government.

Really, they are more interested collecting and warehousing data than they are in catching terrorists.

state efforts to keep world's peasants confused. More leaked reports will confirm damage according to anonymous sources. Efforts to hack Russian and Chinese security state apparatus damaged by efforts to hack us and gb security state apparatus, revealing startling non-gap in hack tech and need to blame the fuck out of somebody convenient.

Despicable behavior by both governments, USA & UK, and the so called journalists they're using