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RandySF

(58,869 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:21 PM Jun 2015

Josh Marshall: Rachel Dolezal isn't 'transracial', she's a liar.

I read the Rachel Dolezal story before it got picked up by any national outlets in the original story in the Coeur d'Alene Press on Thursday (yes, epic aggregation fail ... what can I say I was traveling). If you've only read pick-ups or follow-ups, read the original if you get a chance. It's an amazing piece of reporting and will make you appreciate what a great thing small paper journalism is - just an amazingly detailed piece of shoe-leather reporting. Since I read it I've been trying to think what if anything there is to add beyond the peristaltic WTF that seems to be the near universal response.

So let me just go with bullet points.

Point 1: The one simple thing is the online debate about whether Dolezal is simply 'transracial' like Caitlyn Jenner is transgender. No. It's not like that. In fact, I think we can dispense with this entirely because I have not seen anyone suggesting this anywhere online who wasn't just some wingnut concern-trolling transgenderism and frankly racial identity itself. You can dress yourself up however you want and identify however you want. But when you start making up black parents and all the rest that went into this story, you're just lying. Full stop.

When I was a little boy I lived in a very mixed race environment. My mother's best friend and her best friend's sister (among many other biracial couple in their social set) were both married to African-American men. They, obviously, had African-American children. And in a thousand little ways they had acclimated and identified with the African-American family, social sets and even to some degree the broader African-American culture they had become part of. All except for the part of them being ... well, WHITE. What identification, solidarity, whatever was what it was. They weren't making up phony life stories.

Skin color tone is biological. But race really is a social construct, as my grad school prof, Doug Cope, helped me understand. And often, especially for racially ambiguous people, it's a permeable one. But if you invent black parents and say you were born in a teepee you're just lying. As for the folks pushing 'transracialism', please just shut up. You're either guilty of malicious provocation or you're just really stupid.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/severely-black-the-rachel-dolezal-story

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Josh Marshall: Rachel Dolezal isn't 'transracial', she's a liar. (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2015 OP
Yeah no, we're not making transracial a thing, America. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #1
That's what rubs me the wrong way. RandySF Jun 2015 #5
There's a BBQ place in Tucson AZ and Dr. Xavier Jun 2015 #2
She's a PATHOLOGICAL liar rocktivity Jun 2015 #3
Yes. cwydro Jun 2015 #6
And it's that simple malaise Jun 2015 #4
Dolezal says she'll address racial identity furor Monday rocktivity Jun 2015 #7
She Resigns rocktivity Jun 2015 #8
Severely black Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #9
It's not the same thing kcr Jun 2015 #10
Could he have seen it here? KamaAina Jun 2015 #11
The original Coeur d'Alene Press article is very interesting and quite thorough... Spazito Jun 2015 #12

RandySF

(58,869 posts)
5. That's what rubs me the wrong way.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015

I'm not angry at Dolezal for lying so much as I am annoyed with all the knots people are tying to justify the deceit. It's as if we now carve out exceptions if they apply to a progressive cause. Lying is lying, especially when one does it to get ahead.

Dr. Xavier

(278 posts)
2. There's a BBQ place in Tucson AZ and
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jun 2015

its infamous for its street sign. During the day, the chef in the sign looks white. But when the sign is lit at night, he looks black. Honestly, its really weird looking. Its been fifteen years since I was last in Tucson and I don't remember the name of the place but its on a major street in town. Went there once, food was only okay.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
3. She's a PATHOLOGICAL liar
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)

who needs psychiatric help. The NAACP should put her on medical leave pending a complete evaluation.


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
7. Dolezal says she'll address racial identity furor Monday
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:36 AM - Edit history (6)

CDApress.com:
Dolezal sent a message to NAACP members saying she would address the situation at a Monday night meeting of the group... "As you probably know by now, there are questions and assumptions swirling in national and global news about my family, my race, my credibility, and the NAACP...I have discussed the situation, including personal matters, with the Executive Committee.

"I support their decision to wait until Monday to make a statement. The Executive team asked that I also release my response statement at the same time, which will be during the 7-9 p.m. monthly membership meeting."

TRANSLATION: "I have negotiated a severance with the Executive Committee, and despite their public support, I will be announcing my resignation during the 7-9 p.m. monthly membership meeting -- as we have agreed."

ON EDIT: Monday NAACP meeting called off

The Spokane NAACP announced...on its Facebook page..."Due to the need to continue discussion with regional and national NAACP leaders, tomorrow's meeting is postponed and will be rescheduled for a later date. We appreciate your patience and understanding at this time."

...A new meeting date was not announced on the Facebook page.

UPDATE: It's now unclear whether Monday night's meeting of the Spokane NAACP has been postponed.

...(C)hapter board member Lawrence Burnley emailed NAACP members to say he doesn’t believe Dolezal has the authority to postpone the meeting...and noted the chapter's executive committee is scheduled to meet today.

(Link to original Coeur d'Alene Press story)


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
8. She Resigns
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:26 PM - Edit history (2)

I don't wish her ill -- I mean, I certainly wouldn't wish her ill because she had dementia or cancer or even an addiction problem. Pathological lying is an illness, too, and my is that wish she decides to get help for it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141118437


rocktivity

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
9. Severely black
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015
Dolezal didn't just present as black. She presented, as Mitt Romney might have put it, as severely black. As one of my colleagues at TPM mentioned on Friday, on her university webpage, where she listed her academic credentials, she lists that she had been targeted in at least eight documented hate crimes (by a kind of greatest hits list of racist organizations) almost as a credential. (Indeed it now seems that she had falsified numerous alleged hate crimes, including the one that ultimately led to her exposure.) "Her [activism and educational work] were met with opposition by North Idaho white supremacy groups, including the Ku Klux Klan, the Neo Nazis and the Aryan Nations, and at least eight documented hate crimes targeted Doležal and her children during her residency in North Idaho."

kcr

(15,317 posts)
10. It's not the same thing
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:28 PM
Jun 2015

but that doesn't mean people should question someone when they assert their identity and demand proof. I've never made the assertion that it is the same thing. Not everyone who isn't quick to join the pitchfork brigade is making that argument. I just think that in both cases, when people assert an identity it is rude and offensive to call them on it. This was my problem with this story from the beginning. Not because I think Rachel Dolezal is transracial just like Caitlyn Jenner. I absolutely see the problem with someone who is white, raised in white culture appropriating black culture and being deceitful in presenting themselves as something they're not. But Rachel Dolezal's history is not that cut and dry. For one thing, her parents are not entirely credible and I think that's putting it lightly. For another it's not clear what Rachel Dolezal's history and background are. Maybe she hasn't been entirely truthful, but the whole thing is a giant mess.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. Could he have seen it here?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jun 2015
I read the Rachel Dolezal story before it got picked up by any national outlets in the original story in the Coeur d'Alene Press on Thursday


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