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call to fight your proxy war with Obama.

It appears, at least here on DU, that HRC supporters are either for the TPP or just don't think it's an important issue. It seems that her supporters here are (largely) socially liberal and centrist to conservative on economic, defense and national security issues. Most seem to believe that social issues are of much greater importance and define what a liberal is.

I suspect you don't understand, but I'm issues focused than personality or party focused.

Policy is vastly more important than any political celebrity. It seems like 95% of the people who defend the TPP are only doing so to defend their favorite politicians.

Policy is #1.

They are not particularly Hillary supporters, but they make up all sorts of shit to shill for that abomination.

She is too smart for that and prefers to let others rant and rave about it. Keep Hillary looking professional and presidential.

"Untrustworthy and evasive" is more like it.

I think we've seen enough in our lifetime, haven't we?

Have you read the leaked chapters? Do you know why every environmental organization opposes it? Do you know why healthcare advocacy groups oppose it, or why the NAACP does? What have you read from independent sources that convinced you it was a good thing?

Her corporatist speech yesterday pretty much said she supports it

.... what Bill did and Barak did, campaign as a progressive, lead from the center right.

Now if y'all useless eater plebes will just vote for her, she can get on with it.

Since TPP is politically unpopular, especially among dems, I wouldn't be surprised if she cut some kind of deal with Obama where she doesn't come out against it until the TPA vote is over, one way or another. But, yeah, she's probably pro free trade agreement generally.

She's center-left, not too different from Obama. And she's electable, which is big. Pro-big-business wouldn't include supporting minimum wage increases and railing against hedge fund managers and so on, but you already knew that.

Bernie Sanders is center left. I would call Obama and much of the the Democratic Party somewhere between centrist and center right. The GOP ranges from far right to over-the-cliff-and-in-free-fall right.

There is no real left in American politics these days.

I see Bernie Sanders as the left. You're correct that the "left" in this context doesn't mean old school Marxist seize-the-means-of-production left, but in the modern political context, what Bernie stands for -- essentially Scandinavian style socialist democracy -- is the "left". And relative to that, people like Obama and Clinton are center-left.

that does not make her center-left. On national defence, foreign policy and economic issues, her record is center-right.

The passage? I'm curious. Although I may just get around to reading it anyway.

Yet, previously as secretary of state, Clinton called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the "gold standard in trade agreements." In her second memoir, Hard Choices, released in 2014, Clinton lauded the deal, saying it "would link markets throughout Asia and the americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property." She even said it was "important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field." She also called it "a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia."

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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade

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That's why she won't say.

But then, what does that say about Hillary's leadership skills?

That she'll do/say whatever she thinks it will take? That people won't notice things like this?

Sorry...can't and won't support her.

A few months ago I was in the camp of supporting whoever is the nominee. I no longer feel that way. Maybe it has to get really bad before change happens. With Hillary, like Obama, I feel like the air is just slowly being let out of the balloon.

HRC is pro-TPA, TPP (her book) and Anti-Labor (Labor opposes TPP)

HRC is Pro-Corporate Sovereignty ( TPP ISDS Tribunals)

IMO, if there is any disagreement, then it is time for HRC to specifically set the record straight.

"If there is any disagreement, then it is time for HRC to specifically set the record straight."

And this is just one of many reasons why I cannot trust her.

Of course she does. If anyone actually believes she is "undecided," they are stupid.

At least then she will have taken a side and can defend it, right or wrong. That would be bold and take guts, she is way too calculating for that kind of commitment and that is why she won't win the general if she makes it that far in my opinion.

I think most of us are aware she is for it so she should own it, if she doesn't and tries to come out against it after the fact who is she going to win over with that strategy? Would anyone buy it?

or maybe she thinks that enough of us are imbeciles?

She is dishonest and has no problem being dishonest if dishonesty happens to be politically expedient.

Of course, she's evolving on the question. The word soup isn't fully cooked yet.

since she helped to draft it:

Yet, previously as secretary of state, Clinton called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the "gold standard in trade agreements." In her second memoir, Hard Choices, released in 2014, Clinton lauded the deal, saying it "would link markets throughout Asia and the americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property." She even said it was "important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field." She also called it "a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia."

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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade