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There's been lots of speculation as to both her position and her decision to avoid taking a public position. An obvious question is what effect this has on primary voters.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)So do most Democrats, particularly younger, liberal, and Hispanic voters. What I can't figure out is why it's so hard for DU to understand what TPP is all about. How many times has it been patiently explained?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/economy/trade
H2O Man
(73,552 posts)I absolutely am 100% opposed to the TPP.
I have not decided upon who I will vote for in the primary. There is no announced Democratic candidate that I would definitely not vote for.
For as long as I have been a registered voter -- and I registered as soon as I was able to -- I have always, and only, voted for the Democratic candidate for president.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am pro free trade and I see nothing inconsistent with being a small and big l Liberal and supporting free trade. It was Republicans and conservatives who were the protectionists and favored high tariffs.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and the old views of free trade without tariffs are incompatible with the interests of labor, and of humanity and ecosystem sustainablity in general. It has become primarily a tool for labor exploitation, and a mechanism for corporations to avoid regulation by nation-states.
This change happened, IMO, as technology evolved to its current level, which enables management of workforces distributed globally, so the least regulated most desperate workers who are in no position to advocate for reasonable employment conditions are the ones who get the jobs. Global shipping and massively improved port infrastructures have also contributed to this change.
Labor has not been able to globalize in the same way as capital has, allowing profiteering by hiring workers in one economy's monetary structure and selling the products in an elevatedd monetary structure.
Support of such a system is akin to supporting corporate deregulation, something the Kochs would approve of but not something progressives should approve of.
I have seen reference to how the TPP is supposed to be a step in the direction of regulating global commerce, yet most of the people negotiating it were doing so with the interests of capital, not of labor or the environment (yes I'm aware some such interests were included, mostly for show IMO, notably almost every labor and environmental group opposes TPP).
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and I also see that as a bit of an indication that she's not liking what she sees. Hillary voted against CAFTA, and although many on DU push the idea that she's ultra free trade, she's just not. She was in the administration, so good faith sort of calls for her to wait and see, particularly if she's going to oppose it.
Of our current Democratic Primary candidates, Bernie is the most solid on trade. O'Malley and Hillary are next and Lincoln Chafee is the Free Trade Advocate and CAFTA voter in the lot.
As a Union member, I want Hillary to oppose it because her opposition will be useful in the defeat of the agreement. When she does that should be timed for her to be at liberty for full voiced opposition. If she decides to support it, I don't care when she states that, Unions will rip her to bits for doing so whenever that might be.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Is she going to break publicly with the admin on this? No.
Does she have mixed thoughts about it? Probably.
Does she have anything to gain by supporting it, publicly?
No.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)thing is for her to say nothing until it is on the table officially. Good faith stuff. I hope she opposes it because I do and her on our side would be very useful.
joshcryer
(62,271 posts)I think that is exactly it.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)posts just trying to get a reaction. You and geek tragedy have the best input on it. Thank you!
Bookmarked for later reference. Two thumbs up for this.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)NO.. to the TPP
NO.. to Hillary