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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:26 PM Jun 2015

Supporting Hillary and opposing the TPP?

There's been lots of speculation as to both her position and her decision to avoid taking a public position. An obvious question is what effect this has on primary voters.


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I oppose the TPP and already support Hillary
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I oppose the TPP and am open to supporting Hillary in the primary
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I oppose the TPP and won't vote for her in the primary, period, end of discussion.
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I do not oppose the TPP and already support Hillary
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I do not oppose the TPP and am open to supporting Hillary in the primary
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I do not oppose the TPP, and won't vote for her in the primary, period, end of discussion.
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Supporting Hillary and opposing the TPP? (Original Post) geek tragedy Jun 2015 OP
Do not oppose, already support HRC. ucrdem Jun 2015 #1
+1 leftofcool Jun 2015 #5
Other. H2O Man Jun 2015 #2
Supporting or opposing TPP is not a hill I would die for. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #3
I suggest that times have changed dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #13
Not a fan of the ttp and I support Hillary. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #4
I oppose it, support Bernie, and yet I understand Hillary not taking a stand until the deal is out Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #6
That comes pretty close to my thinking. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #7
I'd even say that in negotitation processes, in a way having been in the administration the right Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #9
+1 joshcryer Jun 2015 #11
This is the best post I've seen yet on the issue after all the spam R B Garr Jun 2015 #14
TPP no, Bernie preference, supporter of Hillary if she is the nominee. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #8
That was easy. bvar22 Jun 2015 #10
I oppose TPP, and will not be voting for Hillary (nt) bigwillq Jun 2015 #12

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
1. Do not oppose, already support HRC.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jun 2015

So do most Democrats, particularly younger, liberal, and Hispanic voters. What I can't figure out is why it's so hard for DU to understand what TPP is all about. How many times has it been patiently explained?



https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/economy/trade

H2O Man

(73,552 posts)
2. Other.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

I absolutely am 100% opposed to the TPP.

I have not decided upon who I will vote for in the primary. There is no announced Democratic candidate that I would definitely not vote for.

For as long as I have been a registered voter -- and I registered as soon as I was able to -- I have always, and only, voted for the Democratic candidate for president.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. Supporting or opposing TPP is not a hill I would die for.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

I am pro free trade and I see nothing inconsistent with being a small and big l Liberal and supporting free trade. It was Republicans and conservatives who were the protectionists and favored high tariffs.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
13. I suggest that times have changed
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

and the old views of free trade without tariffs are incompatible with the interests of labor, and of humanity and ecosystem sustainablity in general. It has become primarily a tool for labor exploitation, and a mechanism for corporations to avoid regulation by nation-states.

This change happened, IMO, as technology evolved to its current level, which enables management of workforces distributed globally, so the least regulated most desperate workers who are in no position to advocate for reasonable employment conditions are the ones who get the jobs. Global shipping and massively improved port infrastructures have also contributed to this change.

Labor has not been able to globalize in the same way as capital has, allowing profiteering by hiring workers in one economy's monetary structure and selling the products in an elevatedd monetary structure.

Support of such a system is akin to supporting corporate deregulation, something the Kochs would approve of but not something progressives should approve of.

I have seen reference to how the TPP is supposed to be a step in the direction of regulating global commerce, yet most of the people negotiating it were doing so with the interests of capital, not of labor or the environment (yes I'm aware some such interests were included, mostly for show IMO, notably almost every labor and environmental group opposes TPP).

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. I oppose it, support Bernie, and yet I understand Hillary not taking a stand until the deal is out
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jun 2015

and I also see that as a bit of an indication that she's not liking what she sees. Hillary voted against CAFTA, and although many on DU push the idea that she's ultra free trade, she's just not. She was in the administration, so good faith sort of calls for her to wait and see, particularly if she's going to oppose it.

Of our current Democratic Primary candidates, Bernie is the most solid on trade. O'Malley and Hillary are next and Lincoln Chafee is the Free Trade Advocate and CAFTA voter in the lot.

As a Union member, I want Hillary to oppose it because her opposition will be useful in the defeat of the agreement. When she does that should be timed for her to be at liberty for full voiced opposition. If she decides to support it, I don't care when she states that, Unions will rip her to bits for doing so whenever that might be.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. That comes pretty close to my thinking.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jun 2015

Is she going to break publicly with the admin on this? No.

Does she have mixed thoughts about it? Probably.

Does she have anything to gain by supporting it, publicly?

No.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. I'd even say that in negotitation processes, in a way having been in the administration the right
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

thing is for her to say nothing until it is on the table officially. Good faith stuff. I hope she opposes it because I do and her on our side would be very useful.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
14. This is the best post I've seen yet on the issue after all the spam
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:52 AM
Jun 2015

posts just trying to get a reaction. You and geek tragedy have the best input on it. Thank you!

Bookmarked for later reference. Two thumbs up for this.

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