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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:50 PM Jun 2015

HRC BREAKS TRADE SILENCE: LISTEN TO PELOSI!

"The president should listen to and work with his allies in Congress, starting with Nancy Pelosi," Clinton said while speaking at a rally in Iowa.

Pelosi took to the House floor Friday to oppose trade legislation Obama had personally lobbied for on Capitol Hill earlier that day.

“We have an opportunity to slow down,” Pelosi said. “Whatever the deal is with other countries, we want a better deal for America’s workers.”

Clinton encouraged lawmakers to work together to "make sure we get the best, strongest deal possible."



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/14/hillary-clinton-trade-deal_n_7580768.html

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HRC BREAKS TRADE SILENCE: LISTEN TO PELOSI! (Original Post) kpete Jun 2015 OP
K&R mvd Jun 2015 #1
The "slow down" and "better deal".. sendero Jun 2015 #2
For sure I would rather hear her oppose it mvd Jun 2015 #3
It's a way to play both sides of the fence, appeasing us and orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #5
Exactly... sendero Jun 2015 #8
business and no environment as usual glinda Jun 2015 #31
I know they think this is a clever way for her to 'address' the Trade Deal, but I do no trust Pelosi sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #16
Yup. I think that "Stealing from Medicare" thing will disappear, and then the entire rest of the djean111 Jun 2015 #20
Exactly. But if they think that's to appease the almost 100% opposition from across the country, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #28
They both voted for war, and squandered a chance to make it right, orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #4
"Yes" or "no" would've been easier to say. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #6
She looks at issues as if they were hedge funds . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #13
lol CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #7
She needs to take an actual position. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #9
Making a plan to make a plan, of course. 99Forever Jun 2015 #10
Sounds like support for TPP to me. Get a good deal is what she's saying... but GET a deal. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #11
Just heard the clip of her saying it on the radio... 4139 Jun 2015 #12
So she supports it, that's what she seems to be saying. We all know that Nancy will sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #23
We are stupid unless we figure out a more direct way to stop this stuff....disheartening.... glinda Jun 2015 #32
codswallop. she has endorsed it in strong terms. she's playing to the base cali Jun 2015 #25
Her talent for dissembling baloney is impressive. SHE ENDORSED THE TPP cali Jun 2015 #14
I don't want anything to do with any deals JEB Jun 2015 #15
Deals are what I am afraid of. And that is what Pelosi is doing right now, I bet. No thanks. djean111 Jun 2015 #17
Why is anybody surprised about this? sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #18
Still on the fence Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #19
Nothing new here, same old responses, this will make it the third round today. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #21
I hope this means something good. ananda Jun 2015 #22
Nancy is making deals right now. I'm betting they will take out the Medicare cuts, which they sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #30
WOW! Now that's an unequivocal refutation of the TPP if I've ever heard one.... Indepatriot Jun 2015 #24
Predicted this the other day. joshcryer Jun 2015 #26
If we don't get the Nite Owl Jun 2015 #27
Not meant to be clear. Just a punt that missed the goalposts. djean111 Jun 2015 #29
'the best, strongest deal possible' for who? Agony Jun 2015 #33
Her big 'explanation' Nite Owl Jun 2015 #35
He should listen to Bernie Sanders. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #34
Never heard this before BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #36

mvd

(65,174 posts)
1. K&R
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

While not an all out refusal, it certainly doesn't seem she has the same zeal for going full steam ahead as the President does.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
2. The "slow down" and "better deal"..
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jun 2015

... words don't work for me. We don't need anything about this deal at all.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
5. It's a way to play both sides of the fence, appeasing us and
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jun 2015

letting the 1% get away with murder, Business as usual .

sendero

(28,552 posts)
8. Exactly...
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jun 2015

.. I've seen this movie before.

And I think after a while congresspersons get used to living in a world where big business always gets what it wants, it's only a matter of how many crumbs they have to toss in first.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. I know they think this is a clever way for her to 'address' the Trade Deal, but I do no trust Pelosi
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jun 2015

either. As many people said yesterday, we've seen this game before, the 'rotating villains' game.

They will be back and pushing it hard. And next time there will be a seemingly conciliatory note on one thing.

THEN Pelosi will vote for it, and Hillary probably knows this.

If she has no opinion of her own, but points to Pelosi, that isn't leadership, that's the action of a follower.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
20. Yup. I think that "Stealing from Medicare" thing will disappear, and then the entire rest of the
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

corporate coup will be rammed through. Getting rid of the Medicare funding in the TAA will be the K-Y Jelly.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Exactly. But if they think that's to appease the almost 100% opposition from across the country,
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:38 PM
Jun 2015

they really do think we are fools. As promised by millions now, anyone who votes for this abomination will find themselves facing huge opposition AND a Progressive challenger next time they run.

We MUST remove from Congress and especially our party. those who have made it possible to plunge this country into corporate cesspool it has become and I think that is going to begin in 2016.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
4. They both voted for war, and squandered a chance to make it right,
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

Their history is always telling us, they'll tell us in the future, then when it gets here it's too late to do anything about everything they've let happen, I'm talking about Hillary & Nancy when I say them .

4139

(1,893 posts)
12. Just heard the clip of her saying it on the radio...
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jun 2015

She said it very forcefully!!!! It was not just something said in passing.

A good step in the right direction

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. So she supports it, that's what she seems to be saying. We all know that Nancy will
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

cave when it's brought back again, which it will. A tiny concession will be made, nothing significant, and Nancy will jump on board telling Dems they need to join her. We've seen this game before.

All this was was a response to the incredible public pressure that made Dems have to choose between holding onto to their seats, or delaying this. Happened before, we saw the results of the last delay, due to public pressure.

She should NOT be telling to 'look at Nancy' that makes her seem like a follower for one thing, she should be doing what Sanders is doing, spelling out WHY this will be a disaster for the American people.

Nearly 100% of the people do not want this. IS THIS A DEMOCRACY OR NOT. And someone asking for the job of POTUS should be responding to the PEOPLE.

Sick to death of their games frankly, they really do think we are stupid.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
25. codswallop. she has endorsed it in strong terms. she's playing to the base
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jun 2015

Yet, previously as secretary of state, Clinton called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the "gold standard in trade agreements." In her second memoir, Hard Choices, released in 2014, Clinton lauded the deal, saying it "would link markets throughout Asia and the americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property." She even said it was "important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field." She also called it "a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia."

<snip>

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. Her talent for dissembling baloney is impressive. SHE ENDORSED THE TPP
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

just last fall. How stupid does she think we are?

Here:

Yet, previously as secretary of state, Clinton called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the "gold standard in trade agreements." In her second memoir, Hard Choices, released in 2014, Clinton lauded the deal, saying it "would link markets throughout Asia and the americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property." She even said it was "important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field." She also called it "a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia."

<snip>

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
19. Still on the fence
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jun 2015

Saying he should work toward the best and strongest deal possible is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation of the TPP. No matter how things turn out, she can point to this statement and claim to have been right.


It really is sad that some people are so desperate to bring the fictional version of Hillary (which exists only in their imaginations) to life that they need to present this non statement as somehow taking a stand.




ananda

(28,864 posts)
22. I hope this means something good.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jun 2015

It's just that I'm not sure where Pelosi's actual vote will fall
nor exactly what for.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. Nancy is making deals right now. I'm betting they will take out the Medicare cuts, which they
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jun 2015

probably only put there so they COULD look like they were responding to public pressure, and then she will vote for the whole rotten package.

No thanks, they STILL think we are blind, that we haven't watched this game before, multiple times.

So telling us to look at Nancy is saying that she supports the TPP.

At least we finally got an answer.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
24. WOW! Now that's an unequivocal refutation of the TPP if I've ever heard one....
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jun 2015

I bet her handlers at Goldman Sachs have been working on this for weeks! Now that I know she really, truly, cross-her heart and hope to die is a FIGHTER for the Middle Class, I can abandon the socialist, what's his name again?, and ride the Hillary Train to Third Way Junction!

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
27. If we don't get the
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jun 2015

'the best, strongest deal possible' what happens? Does she want to go along with whatever it is or just say no? Still isn't very clear.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
33. 'the best, strongest deal possible' for who?
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jun 2015

Lloyd Blankfein? or Main Street? answer the damn question, Hillary!

you are so right, not at all clear.

#weaselwords #dissapointedindemocrats

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
35. Her big 'explanation'
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:31 PM
Jun 2015

has more holes than swiss cheese. It's so simple: yes or no
And people buy this!

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
36. Never heard this before
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 06:27 AM
Jun 2015

"Any health bill 'without a strong public option will not pass the House,' Nancy Pelosi says.

"Nowhere has there been a bigger gap in the perceptions of compromise and the reality of compromise than in the health care bill," Obama said. "But I didn't campaign on a public option. I think it is a good idea. But as I said in that speech on Sept. 9 (on health care), it is just one small element of a broader reform effort. And so we don't feel that the core elements to help the American people that I campaigned on and that we've been fighting for all year have been compromised in any significant way."

Open up wide, Proles!

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