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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:12 AM Jun 2015

CIA director Brennan denounced by professors at his alma mater over torture scandal

A cohort of faculty at Fordham University dedicated to opposing torture have vehemently denounced CIA Director John Brennan for defending enhanced interrogation techniques used in the wake of Sept. 11 and have pledged to continue their criticisms of Brennan in the coming school year.

Brennan, an alumnus of Fordham who in 1977 earned a bachelor’s degree in political science at the private Jesuit university in New York, was also given an honorary degree by the college in 2012 when he was commencement speaker there.

At the time, his address received some protest, with one graduate launching a Change.org petition calling for Brennan’s removal as speaker, and roughly 10 to 15 audience members turning their backs to Brennan during his talk, according to the Fordham Ram campus newspaper.

Brennan continues to draw criticism at Fordham. The focus is not on Brennan’s decision to spy on U.S. Congress members, nor his controversial drone program, nor his stance that ISIS members are not “Islamic.” The professors’ ire focuses solely on tactics used in an attempt to extract intelligence in the war on terror, and they call Brennan’s honorary degree a “stain” on the university.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/22898/

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CIA director Brennan denounced by professors at his alma mater over torture scandal (Original Post) bemildred Jun 2015 OP
I wonder if he gives two chips. merrily Jun 2015 #1
Good-- he's a sick man, and a war criminal Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #2
And rightly so! K&R! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #3
No Colby ? jakeXT Jun 2015 #4
Didn't know about the Colby Documentary... KoKo Jun 2015 #7
I think I posted it on DU, If I remember it leaves some questions open and has a lot on his family jakeXT Jun 2015 #8
I found it KoKo Jun 2015 #12
oh, yes, they made the mistake of hiring a bishop to bury Casey: and he buried him GOOD MisterP Jun 2015 #10
I wonder how Reagan reacted during the speech, I'm guessing there is no video of it /nt jakeXT Jun 2015 #13
Good for Fordham gratuitous Jun 2015 #5
Recommend KoKo Jun 2015 #6
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2015 #9
It is a wonderful thing to see when people stand up for what is right and good. K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #11

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
4. No Colby ?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jun 2015
Fisher’s not alone in accusing Hersh of frivolity (I had hopes for Fisher, who after the New Republic implosion wrote a thoughtful reflection on that magazine’s racism. But he’s since done one of the stupider pieces I’ve read on Ecuador’s Rafael Correa; Vox seems to be trying to fill the vacuum left by The New Republic when it comes to writing silly things about Latin America). To accuse Hersh of falling under the thrall of “conspiracy theory” is to repudiate the whole enterprise of investigative journalism that Hersh helped pioneer. What has he written that wasn’t a conspiracy? But Fisher, and others, believe Hersh went too far when in a 2011 speech he made mention of the Knights of Malta and Opus Dei, tagging him as a Dan Brown fantasist. Here’s Fisher, in his debunking of Hersh’s recent essay: “The moment when a lot of journalists started to question whether Hersh had veered from investigative reporting into something else came in January 2011. That month, he spoke at Georgetown University’s branch campus in Qatar, where he gave a bizarre and rambling address alleging that top military and special forces leaders ‘are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta.… many of them are members of Opus Dei.’”


But here’s Steve Coll, a reporter who remains within the acceptable margins, writing in Ghost Wars about Reagan’s CIA director, William Casey: “He was a Catholic Knight of Malta educated by Jesuits. Statues of the Virgin Mary filled his mansion.… He attended Mass daily and urged Christian faith upon anyone who asked his advice…. He believed fervently that by spreading the Catholic church’s reach and power he could contain communism’s advance, or reverse it.” Oliver North, Casey’s Iran/Contra co-conspirator, worshiped at a “’charismatic’ Episcopalian church in Virginia called Church of the Apostles, which is organized into cell groups.”

Not too long ago, Ben Bradlee Jr. (son of no less an establishment figure than the editor of The Washington Post), could draw the connections between the shadowy national security state and right-wing Christianity: Iran/Contra was about many things, among them a right-wing Christian reaction against the growing influence of left-wing Liberation Theology in Latin America. Likewise, the US’s post-9/11 militarism was about many things, among them the reorganization of those right-wing Christians against what they identified as a greater existential threat than Liberation Theology: political Islam. Fisher should know this, as it was reported here, here, and here, among many other places.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/207001/its-conspiracy-how-discredit-seymour-hersh#



The Church Committee hearings were sparked by a series of New York Times articles by Seymour Hersh, who reveals in the documentary that William Colby was one of his main sources. While Colby's predecessor, Richard Helms, was known as "The Man Who Kept the Secrets," Colby became seen as the man who spilled the beans, especially the dirty secrets,
dubbed "The Family Jewels"--a remarkable denouement to a career that evolved from
World War II hero who parachuted behind enemy lines, to Cold Warrior who rigged elections in Italy to defeat the Communists, to chief engineer of the counter-insurgency strategy in Vietnam. Colby was the model of the good gray man of the center who did what was asked of him, even if he didn't believe it would work--but who finally broke ranks.

"It had to do with his Jesuit upbringing," explains Carl Colby
. "It's about questioning the moral imperatives." The Papal shock troops, organized by the Jesuits, known colloquially as "The Company," were a tool to be used wherever needed to thwart the Reformation, but also to reform the Church. The CIA, also known as "The Company," was a tool to be used by the president to thwart the
Communists. These tools have a way of getting away from their masters, however, and taking on a life of their own. In the case of Colby, the film makes it clear that he reached a point where his sense of morality overcame his sense of duty.

http://www.documentary.org/feature/my-father-spy-carl-colbys-documentary-sheds-light-cia-director-william-colby

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
8. I think I posted it on DU, If I remember it leaves some questions open and has a lot on his family
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
12. I found it
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

in Netflix DVD's so I ordered it. I was able to watch the trailer on You Tube. Thanks...!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Good for Fordham
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:01 AM
Jun 2015

Any word from Stanford (where Condoleezza Rice draws a regular paycheck) or Cal Berkeley (which has John Yoo on its faculty)?

Solly Mack

(90,789 posts)
9. K&R
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

People of good conscience are reduced to denouncing and the turning of backs because the government refuses to do the right thing and prosecute war criminals.

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