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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:40 AM Jun 2015

Elections should not be about personalities.

They should be about issues. They should be about solutions to our problems.

They should be about making our society better for everyone. They should be about fairness and justice.

They should not be about hair or pantsuits or age or gender or the numerous topics covered by the deceptive mainstream media.

This election should be about whether we lose or gain jobs from the President's TPP proposal?

It should be about whether we want a police state where your every move is watched and measured.

It should be about whether we want corporations to control our economy and our standard of living to the degree that they do?

This election should be about whether we want to fix our infrastructure and how we plan on paying for it?

It should be about whether we want the best education system in the world?

It should be about what kind of country do we want to live in and what kind of world do we want our children and grandchildren to live in?

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Elections should not be about personalities. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2015 OP
Yes, and everyone who is eligible to vote should vote. MineralMan Jun 2015 #1
I agree. And there is a cult of personality on this board that often say "I won't vote for candidate Exilednight Jun 2015 #2
You're dealing with human beings voting The2ndWheel Jun 2015 #3
Yes to "issues". No to "personalities". Yes to "character", too. pampango Jun 2015 #4
I agree. In addition, LWolf Jun 2015 #5
How do you mandate that? forthemiddle Jun 2015 #6
I agree with one exception alc Jun 2015 #7
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... Little Star Jun 2015 #8
Personality matters... Weefee Jun 2015 #9

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
2. I agree. And there is a cult of personality on this board that often say "I won't vote for candidate
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jun 2015

X because of their supporters".

It's a sad state of affairs, but that's the reality of our political system.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
3. You're dealing with human beings voting
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jun 2015

So you're not going to get everyone to agree on everything, even on what an election should be about. Should or should not is about morality, and that's about as subjective a topic as you can get. All of the things you mentioned will be taken into account to one degree or another, including personalities, because everyone has their own personality that they bring to the voting booth.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Yes to "issues". No to "personalities". Yes to "character", too.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jun 2015

Presidents are often faced with issues or events that were not considered in the primary or general campaign. They have to use their judgement and character to deal with these issues.

And I think Democrats are blessed with 4 candidates, so far, who are light-years ahead of any republican candidate in terms of character.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
5. I agree. In addition,
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jun 2015

Elections should not be about polls or the amount of money corporations pay to campaign funds to influence elections and policy; it should not be about the connections a candidate has at the top, but about the connections the candidate has with the 99%, and how that candidate serves that 99%.

Elections SHOULD be about issues, and selecting the candidates who have the best positions and strongest record on those issues.

forthemiddle

(1,383 posts)
6. How do you mandate that?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

That's not how the electorate votes. And nothing you can do or say can change that.

Lets look back to Kennedy. By many accounts Nixon won the debates on the radio, but Kennedy cleaned the floor on TV.
Kennedy was the young, charismatic candidate, Nixon wasn't.
Let's fast forward to Reagan - Carter, and 4 years later with Reagan - Mondale. There is no denying that Reagan was the most "likable" to the electorate. He was homey, and down to earth. The one you "wanted to have a beer with".

Bush - Dukakis, a little closer in personalities.
Bush - Clinton...........no contest, Bill Clinton is the most personable, wonderful politician of a life time.

Clinton - Dole, again need I say more??

Bush - Gore - Bush seemed to like everyone, Gore was stiff and somewhat standoffish.
Bush - Kerry - Elite North Easterner with a yacht, and a socialite wife?

Then we come to Obama. He was inspirational, he was young, minority, "new", and very very exciting. What exactly did McCain have on him? An old fuddy duddy white guy. No contest
And then again Obama - Romney. Rich white guy with a Ken Doll like appearance.

All of those have one thing in common. I hate to say this because its so rhetorical, but each winner is the one you want to "have a beer with". He is the one that you want to see in your living room every night. He was the one that most Americans could identify themselves with the most.

What happens if it is Hillary Clinton vs Marco Rubio or Scott Walker? I think she should be hoping and praying that her competitor is Jeb Bush. At least then she has the dynasty argument muted.
I don't see Hillary connecting with the common voter as much as those two men could. I don't think that issues are EVER the deciding factor in the election. It's always the personality. Can Hillary win???? I don't know, but I have my doubts.

alc

(1,151 posts)
7. I agree with one exception
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

Honesty is a personality trait IMO. Jeb or Trump or whoever else may end up saying "all the right things" on every issue you care about (not likely but assume they build their general election campaign by polling progressives knowing they'll get the R vote and trying to turn some Ds). Would you trust that they will actually do what they say on the issues?

Without honesty, the issues don't matter. And not just honesty with voters. Congress needs to trust the president if legislation on difficult issues is going to get done. Foreign leaders need to trust the president if treaties are going to get done. Citizens aren't going to back the president (e.g. call congress) if they're suspecting an ulterior motive on the issues.

We expect politicians to lie during campaigns (for good reason). Voters aren't going to turn out simply for issue statements. They are going to turn out when they like the candidate's stand on issues AND trust that the candidate will do what they say after the election.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
8. Shoulda, woulda, coulda....
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

But things other than just the issues also matter. For me one of those things is electability in a general. Because without that, there's no there there.

 

Weefee

(14 posts)
9. Personality matters...
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

If I think a person is dishonest, power hungry or will turn their principles at the drop of a hat...

Why would it matter what they say in their speeches? It's all a lie and could change with the very next focus group...

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